Originally Posted by assassin
I am not a "supporter" of anything. What do I care? I don't own stock in anything and would love to use the cheapest option out there, actually, if it was the best product. Guess how many Crucial M4s I own personally?NONE!!!!
(1 Samsung, 1 Crucual c300, 1 IBM). However, I have used all sort of SSDs including M4, OCZ, Corsair, etc.
So now the survey is too old to be relevant (even though many of the products on it are still made and sold)?
And it seems like you are accusing me of going out of my way to find it?
Interesting. Seems like more excuses to me.
It was actually on the first page of a search I did. I just search a little differently than most people on the internet so I can find things sometimes that others miss.
Don't read too much into my comments.
Please don't. At least not to the point you get upset.
lol- we are just having some fun bantering about SSD's. Nothing more.
Personally I don't really care what people decide to buy it is each their own.
But- I do feel passionately about correcting misinformation as do you. I know for sure that in areas where you feel HTPC in general being threatened or that it's being talked down you get passionate and defend it. You want everyone to at least know the truth. Same with other aspects of hardware. I have seen you point out facts you believe to be truths regarding AMD vs Intel, RADEON vs NVIVIA vs Igpu and such.
This is one of those areas I am passionate about. I think SSD is a must have. I am super passionate about it. Makes no sense not to own or operate a PC with SSD for your OS.
Second- and this is a the one we disagree on - that reliability is mostly myth and unpredictable. While it might be trendy to like or dislike certain products the trends have nothing to do with individual user experiences.
I am passionate about my dislike for the Crucial M4 because I feel I got "raped" by various forums and reviews on it. My fault- I put myself out there and never did the due diligence at the time.
Here is my story and I hope it makes sense. I bought a Vertex2 SSD for $244 being a very early adopter years ago. I loved it to the point I thought it was a bargain at that price. Scary yes I know:)
Some time went buy and then I was in market for a cheap OS boot drive. This was late last year when all the "BUZZ" was circling the Crucial M4. I remember reading posts like "is the Crucial M4 the best SDD for the money ?" and also like "Crucial SSD the new low cost champion"
I read a quick review that was basically positive and bought one. Admittedly I did not actually read with open mind the "buzz" threads that got me hot to purchase. But at the time I was reading so many negatives about the OCZ's and even though I had purchase with success two previously I got scared away from them for my third purchase. I choose the M4. Biggest mistake I could have made.
I later learned that the M4 was not a low cost champion and that it's benchmarks were actually worse in general speed than the Vertex3 I was looking at. I wanted to kick myself in the ass because I paid an extra $10 or $15 for the Crucial over the Vertex3 thinking it was better or worth the money. Anyways- not a big deal I said to myself since everyone was saying the Crucial was better overall and more reliable. That was also wrong in my case.
When I hooked it up I could not get it to work. After install of windows which took forever (I let it run overnight) it would not boot into screen. It just hung up. So finally I called Crucial about the problem and after a two hour annoying conversation they RMA it for me. The second did not have the issue the first had so I was at the time pleased. But every once in a while I would get a BSOD with it. Not a big deal I said at the time- and it still is that way to this day. I tried a bunch of things to fix it but never could. About once a week it crashes. It was easiest for me to move it to be the least used office PC we have with seldom use. It is reliable enough for that task- and not worth my personal time or effort to resolve any further since it is actually save me money considering my time to just build a new $300 PC.
But I kept reading about the superiority of the Crucial and the terribleness of both Sandforce drives and specifically OCZ.
When I found an OCZ on sale for $30 cheaper than the Crucial the next time I bought and verified it was indeed faster performance on benchmarks with reviews I bought a third OCZ and my first Vertex3. This was late last year about.
Since then I purchase 13 more OCZ's including vertex2 Vertex3 and Agility. I have 60GB, 120GB sizes. I even bought at premium a MAX IOPS Vertex3 for the superior Toshiba TOGGLE NAND. I have never had any issues with over 15 different OCZ SSD's I have purchased and I always bought them because they were both cheaper and faster than the other drives and brands I was considering at the time. I probably saved about $20 per drive with doing this. So in my head I have an extra $600 ready to go and buy another if one should ever fail. I even bought a $69 120GB vertex3 last month as a backup simply because the price was so good. It's still shrink wrapped and unopened.
Now perhaps I just had amazing luck with all 15 SSD drives I own- and I just had terrible luck with the only Crucial I own. It's possible. But to me this real world experience is just way more a factor in my future purchase decisions than the data you post in the above tables.
What really gets under my skin is how it seems it's always the supporters or owners of the M4 hating on OCZ and Sandforce. And- the threads I see where people act like it superior in value, reliability or performance I just know to be dead wrong.
The Crucial is seldom faster or higher performance than a drive that is the same price.
The Crucial is seldom cheaper than a drive of the same performance tier.
The Crucial I believe is not as reliable as the owner of it pretend it is. And- most important it don't really matter because it's impossible to predict on an individual user level anyways.
So when I factor in an easier RMA process- a solid 3 year warranty- a lower cost total- and as good or better performance- OCZ wins over Crucial the last 15 times I bought an SSD. I just have a hard time believing any more of the hype about both the Crucial being the best choice (I know better) or the Sandforce or OCZ being a terrible choice.
Even review sites like Tomshardware specifically spell it out- The Samsung is better choice of Crucial since it costs the same and performs better. This is in the upper price tier about $20 higher and more expensive than the Sanforce drives like the Vertex3 or the Muskin which both have been recommended multiple times.
Here is the quote from the JUNE 2012 (most recent) SSD buyers guide:
We know that SSDs based on SandForce's DuraClass technology demonstrate different behavior depending on the information with which they're presented. That is to say incompressible data like media-oriented files and actively-encrypted partitions aren't handled as elegantly as more easily compressible files.
In contrast, the behavior of Samsung's controller doesn't change based on the information you feed it, and the 830-series drives are arguably the fastest MLC-based offerings available, generally outpacing Crucial's m4. Interestingly, the 830 and m4 are priced comparably, too, making Samsung's SSD the better deal.
So even if someone hates on OCZ and even if they hate on Sanforce controller drives in general- it's pretty clear there is better choices than the Crucial.
I am sure owners will take offense to this but it's just an opinion.