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When ripping season blu ray discs is there any way to determine which title = which episode? Other than watching them? Anyone have any tricks??
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I could swear this exact same question was posted a few weeks ago.

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I rip my shows using MakeMKV. I always rip the MPLS. Not the M2TS. Sometimes I'll get lucky and the episodes will be in numerical order. For instance, if there's 4 episodes on a disc they'll appear as 7000, 7001, 7002, and 7003 in MakeMKV. Where it gets tricky, is when they're not in order.

What I like to do is play the first 1 or 2 seconds of each episode, using a Blu-ray player or TMT5. I then write down what appears on screen during those brief moments, and the episode length in minutes and seconds. I then rip all MPLS episodes on the discs that match up with the run times I had written down. I will play the first 1 or 2 seconds of each episode I ripped and compare what I wrote down and run times to figure out which episode is which.

It's a huge pain in the but to do. But it's the safest way for me to rip TV shows. In the past, I didn't know that some TV shows are out of order when you ripped them. And then found out the hard way by accidently watching an episode out of order.

There's still some risk of spoilers with watching those first 2 seconds of each episode, but I don't know of any safer way to do it.

Edit: I should add that most of the time, I can tell which episode is which by their run times. It's only when each episode is exactly the same length, that I have to rely on watching those first 2 seconds.

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Yeah, that's sort of the way I've been doing it but it sure is clunky. I rip the whole season at once and sometimes for shows I've never seen so to have to watch even a few seconds of the later episodes before I have even watched the earlier ones is really a bummer. Only way around it I guess would be some sort of database of shows with episode/title matching or some way to see which title is started by the BD menu.
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There are several ways to determine the episodes on the disc, but they all require that you play the disc. The most obvious would be to see the title displayed, but not that many programs display the actual title onscreen. Another is to check the closing credits for the episode number. You can get a complete listing of TV programs and their episode numbers at www.epguides.com. If you're archiving shows it's a great way to create a checklist to see which episodes you have and what you need.
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There are several ways to determine the episodes on the disc, but they all require that you play the disc. The most obvious would be to see the title displayed, but not that many programs display the actual title onscreen. Another is to check the closing credits for the episode number. You can get a complete listing of TV programs and their episode numbers at www.epguides.com. If you're archiving shows it's a great way to create a checklist to see which episodes you have and what you need.
Do tv shows always show the episode number in the credits? I wasn't aware, thats cool.
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Show, season and episode information can be had along with metadata and artwork at www.thetvdb.com also.

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Show, season and episode information can be had along with metadata and artwork at www.thetvdb.com also.
True but it doesn't really help when trying to figure out the episodes on a disc. Unless of course you read the plot and watch the episodes enough to figure out which is which. But besides tasking forever that would totally spoil the show.

Great site though. I use it often when I need some info on a show.

TVrage is another popular one for episode listings.
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You need season, episode and synopsis information right? If you are working on a single season you can get the basic information such as the entire season 7 of Weeds. I guess I'm not seeing the difference?

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For movies, I usually google the movie name and mpls. A lot the the torrents include the mpls # in the title, so it helps me figure out which is the right one to rip. you could try this for the tv episode discs.
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You need season, episode and synopsis information right? If you are working on a single season you can get the basic information such as the entire season 7 of Weeds. I guess I'm not seeing the difference?

Its great for naming etc. My point was if ripping a tv show I do not want to figure out each episode by reading a synopsis, and then viewing the show to see if it matches up. If you have no idea what episode is which then to me it seems this would be the only method with TVDB. Or am I missing something. I understand if you are stuck this will work. But it seems like a last resort.
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Guess there's trailers on epguides which might help a bit more. No trailers on thetvdb.

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We should start a thread like the forced subs thread. And get a database going. Surprised there isn't one yet.
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Great idea. So this can be it!!

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We should start a thread like the forced subs thread. And get a database going. Surprised there isn't one yet.
Any development in this area? I'm developing some software/hardware to automate DVD/BD ripping and I have yet to come across anything that supports automatically renaming TV show episode files based on their raw file information (e.g. disc number, title number, runtime, # of chapters, screenshots, etc.). If there's not already one in place, I'm debating putting one together.
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I am using the following "trick" to determine what episode corresponds to what .mpls file on a blu ray. Usually a season consists of 4 or 5 BD's. I am now in the process of ripping "The Sopranos", which have 4 BD's per season. As an example I'll discuss Season 4. Each BD contains 3 or 4 episodes. Assuming you know the order of the disks, I start with disk 1. I use BDInfo to get the info about the episodes: it says disk 1 contains 00051.mpls, 00052.mpls and 00053.mpls (ordered by file-size, largest first) with durations 57:47, 57:32 and 54:13. Those playlists refer to 00031.m2ts, 00012.m2ts and 00013.m2ts respectively. First I thought it was rather straightforward, with 51, 52 and 53 being episodes 1, 2 and 3, but the strange ordering of those m2ts-files made me uncertain. I wanted to double-check, without having to browse through the content of every other episode!
What I wanted was a reference to the duration of every episode, like IMDB does for movies. This is not easy to find, but it's there all right... Look at: tv.com/shows/the-sopranos/watch/?episode_type_range=1-2 where EVERY episode has a duration (rounded to minutes, but it's good enough). This way you can verify if what you assume is right: it says for episode 1, 2 and 3: 58:00, 58:00 and 55:00. And although nrs. 1 and 2 are the same length, if you do this for all disks you can see the systematics used throughout the whole box. It's always 51, 52, 53 and sometimes 54 IN THAT ORDER. I've checked all episodes from all seasons against tv.com's listing and they all matched up, so now I'm confident I have numbered them correctly.
Hope this helps others. I've been struggling with this thing for a long time, but now I know what to do ...
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As this was my first post here, I am not allowed to use links. When you copy and paste the tv.com-link you must select a season in the left column ("Filter by season"), to make the durations visible.
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It's always 51, 52, 53 and sometimes 54 IN THAT ORDER. I've checked all episodes from all seasons against tv.com's listing and they all matched up, so now I'm confident I have numbered them correctly.
Hope this helps others. I've been struggling with this thing for a long time, but now I know what to do ...
I was facing exactly the same dilemma for the exact same show but decided to approach it a bit differently.

I made an makemkv backup of the first disk to hdd.

I then opened the backup folder as a bluray disk in both MPC HC and VLC and found that they both agreed that the episodes should be played in alphanumerical order ie 51, 52, 53, 54.

Thank you for giving me peace of mind regarding the possibility that both mediaplayers were doing it wrong and that makemkv was somehow right about 52, 53, 51 (which it wasn't).

I will probably use your method if I am unsure of episode order for another show in the future.
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I feel like it wouldn't be incredibly difficult to make a script that runs through various streaming sites and pulls the run time of each episode...
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@javanpohl: that would be great, but ít's beyond my reach.
@bertillson: glad to be of some help.


Also, there is something else about this issue that I don't understand. When playing a regular retail TV-series blu ray, you usually first get some kind of menu where you can select the episodes. You would think this is one of the playlists. But I've tried everyone of them, but none showed any kind of menu. Also, no playlist is there which plays all episodes in the correct order. One or the other would make the task of identifying the episodes very easy.
Anybody here know how these menus are made and better: how they can be accessed?
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I open the ripped file and skip to somewhere near the beginning - normally about 5 - 10 minutes in and immediately pause. I then open the bluray in PowerDVD go through each episode in order and skip to the exact same spot. e.g. 6:22 - If the scenes match then bingo!


You don't have to watch anything and it doesn't spoil anything I find...
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I open the ripped file and skip to somewhere near the beginning - normally about 5 - 10 minutes in and immediately pause. I then open the bluray in PowerDVD go through each episode in order and skip to the exact same spot. e.g. 6:22 - If the scenes match then bingo!


You don't have to watch anything and it doesn't spoil anything I find...
Mark,


This is even better than my solution! I hadn't used PowerDVD for some time, but it plays the original disc as a WHOLE, so you can deduce the order of the episodes from this. And you are not depending on some website, which may or may not have the data you need... This works ALWAYS. Thank you very much!
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I could swear this exact same question was posted a few weeks ago.
I did.

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I am using the following "trick" to determine what episode corresponds to what .mpls file on a blu ray. Usually a season consists of 4 or 5 BD's. I am now in the process of ripping "The Sopranos", which have 4 BD's per season. As an example I'll discuss Season 4. Each BD contains 3 or 4 episodes. Assuming you know the order of the disks, I start with disk 1. I use BDInfo to get the info about the episodes: it says disk 1 contains 00051.mpls, 00052.mpls and 00053.mpls (ordered by file-size, largest first) with durations 57:47, 57:32 and 54:13. Those playlists refer to 00031.m2ts, 00012.m2ts and 00013.m2ts respectively. First I thought it was rather straightforward, with 51, 52 and 53 being episodes 1, 2 and 3, but the strange ordering of those m2ts-files made me uncertain. I wanted to double-check, without having to browse through the content of every other episode!
What I wanted was a reference to the duration of every episode, like IMDB does for movies. This is not easy to find, but it's there all right... Look at: tv.com/shows/the-sopranos/watch/?episode_type_range=1-2 where EVERY episode has a duration (rounded to minutes, but it's good enough). This way you can verify if what you assume is right: it says for episode 1, 2 and 3: 58:00, 58:00 and 55:00. And although nrs. 1 and 2 are the same length, if you do this for all disks you can see the systematics used throughout the whole box. It's always 51, 52, 53 and sometimes 54 IN THAT ORDER. I've checked all episodes from all seasons against tv.com's listing and they all matched up, so now I'm confident I have numbered them correctly.
Hope this helps others. I've been struggling with this thing for a long time, but now I know what to do ...
i went to tv.com and tried to follow this, but I still dont see where the episode run times are listed. Where are you seeing the runtime info??

I'm here:

http://www.tv.com/shows/masters-of-sex/watch/

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okay so I have a better answer to this than before:

1. rip the disc as usual via makemkv.
2. search amazon instant, hulu, netflix instant (you dont need an account to do this) for the series. chances are most shows are on one of these services.
3. these services will have a run time, to the nearest minute.
4. get Icaros_v2.2.7.exe from majorgeeks. it's a small program that adds thumbnails and mkv file run times to windows 7 (possibly win 8).
5. compare run times that Icaros gives you for each ripped mkv against amazon/netflix/hulu.
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FWIW, I've found that more often than not (actually always in my experience), the problem isn't the disc having the episodes out of order, it's MakeMKV listing the titles out of order, if you look at the stream or segment map you can tell what the order should be.

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FWIW, I've found that more often than not (actually always in my experience), the problem isn't the disc having the episodes out of order, it's MakeMKV listing the titles out of order, if you look at the stream or segment map you can tell what the order should be.
Meant to respond back in the other thread (forgot to subscribe) - that I have found this to be a partial solution. I've ripped approximately 20 series on BR and found that approx 75% follow that logic. The rest? Well they're all over the place. Best way is to use PowerDVD (any version along with AnyDVD will probably do) and play a few seconds of the episode, then play to the same time point on the rip and match with the mpls or m2ts file.
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I dont really rip for archival purposes, I get tv show seasons and watch it all at once and then delete. I'm so spoiled by the quality of blu-ray, i'd rather wait till i get it on netflix than stream or watch it on tv sometimes for certain shows filmed in gorgeous locales. So, I have a huge problem with 'spoilers'. i dont want to go into any episode of a show i havent yet watched (especially one like game of thrones) and find a time point. any random time point could potentially show a crucial storyline which would ruin it for me. So your method of comparing timepoints isnt for me.

makeMKV is still in beta, cant we lobby the creators to address our issue and put out a fix in the next beta release? seems like it would be a simple fix right?
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For discs where it's just listed out of order, it would be pretty simple, although it might run afield of other ordering logic. Of course for that case it's simple to figure it out yourself looking at the info MakeMKV provides. The issue is the other (25% in steelman's case) of discs where there is no "logical" order on the disc. This is a problem that basically can't be solved without a community database of title/playlist vs episode numbers. MyMovies has this for DVD, but not for Blu-ray.

Of course then there's the third case, where all the episodes are appended in on stream/playlist. You have to split those manually.

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Having just ripped the best part of 20 discs I haven't found a 'spoiler' scene yet - though I take your point that I may just have been lucky and that spoilers can randomly appear. I only play at the most 3-4 seconds, normally around the first chapter point, therefore I think it is fairly safe to assume that the storyline of that particular episode hasn't really developed to an extent that there is going to be a major spoiler at that point, though I do try and avoid 'previously on....' sections. Each to their own.

I don't know sufficient about the ripping process to lay the blame for any mismatches either at MakeMKV's door or the author of the BR - though I'd be more inclined to pick the author of the BR for the obfuscation techniques on the discs, rather than MakeMKV's inability to rip correctly. Why not ask the question of Mike over at MakeMKV.
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FWIW, I just tried Clone BD (from Elby/Slysoft, ie the "real" one), and it actually titled all the episodes correctly. I'm not sure if it parses the menu system or what but it gave me "Episode #1 ", "Episode #2 " etc. Now full disclosure, it did fail, but MakeMKV was having a terrible time with that disc too, so maybe there's something physically wrong with it. I plan to try more later.

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