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Paid for Assassin's server and htpc blogs and started planning things out. Server will come first and htpc afterwards as I only have money for one right now and I figure I can continue to use my asus o play and wd tv live to network with the server (minus a pretty gui). I think the value of those blogs is really going to pay off in that I am spending less on components than expected and there is a ton of step by steps for using software to set up the servers and stuff like xmbc

Goals, to serve as
-office desktop
-media server
-dvd and blu ray ripper (large collection)

http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112&item_id=045469
Antec Three Hundred Two Premium AB All Black Gaming Series Mid-ATX w/ 1x 140mm Blue Twocool / 2x 120mm Blue Twocool $75
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=047196
Asus P8Z77-V PRO Socket 1155 Intel Z77 Chipset Dual channel DDR3 2400(O.C.)/2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz 2x PCI-Express 3.0 x16 1x PCI-Express 2.0 x16 GLAN 8-CH High Definition Audio 4x SATA 3.0Gb/s 4x SATA 6.0Gb/s 1x eSATA 8x USB 3.0 10x USB 2.0 Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g/n VI/HDMI/VGA/Display Port ATX $210
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_442&item_id=039398
Seasonic SS-600ET 600W 80 PLUS BRONZE Power Supply - OEM/BULK 3YR.MFG.WARRANTY $80
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&item_id=042540
Intel Core i5-2320 Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.0Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 32nm 95W TDP (Retail Boxed) (BX80623I52320) $200
*It’s more powerful than suggested did I go overboard? If ripping a lot of media is important to me? I found that most i5s were in and around $200 or more.
*Here are some i3 options available at the chain I am looking to put the computer together with….
Intel Core i3-2100T Dual-Core Socket LGA1155, 2.5Ghz, 3MB L3 Cache, 32nm (Retail Boxed) (BX80623I32100T) $140
INTEL - PROCESSORS I3-2105 3.10G 3MB LGA1155 MM#914937 $142
INTEL - PROCESSORS I3-2130 LGA1155 3.4GHZ 3M CACHE MM#917720 $156
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_312_611&item_id=042844
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1333MHz CL9 Dual Channel Kit (F3-10666CL9D-16GBXL) $90
*Is there a better brand i.e. corsair, gskil etc?
*Am I correct to selecting 1333 ram as my cpu cannot handle faster even though the motherboard can?
An extra $20 allowed me to jump from 8 to 16 so it seemed like a good idea.
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1088&item_id=038694
For OS (windows 7 + flexraid)
OCZ (AGT3-25SAT3-120G) Agility 3 2.5" 120GB SATA3 6GB/s Solid State Drive, Read: 525MB/s, Write: 500MB/s $90
*For similar price should I get a mechanical drive with more storage?
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_1086_210_212&item_id=039030
3 drives + 1 for parity
WD Green (WD30EZRX) 3TB SATA3 6Gb/s 64MB (OEM) $150 x 4
*The three greens plus the os ssd would use up the 4 6gb slots for the 4 remaining 3 gb slots what kind of drives should I get? More greens even though they are too fast…. Or will that not work? Is the parity drive used solely as protection so in terms of space for media it is not used to calculate space?
*Ideally I will need more space than the one ssd + 3 drives + 1 parity drive. But for now that will do. In the future is it hard to install more drives? Does the person installing need to know that the drives are in a flexraid configuration (as I am likely to have someone else do it)?
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=27_1048_1052&item_id=022090
Intel (EXPI9301CT) Gigabit CT Desktop Adapter, PCI Express Slot (Bulk Pack) $29
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_54&item_id=050277
LiteOn iHBS312-98 Black 12x Blu-ray Writer, Internal SATA, Retail Box-- 16x DVD+/-R/RW Write Drive $69
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_108&item_id=031700
LIAN-LI EX-332B Internal HDD Cage $40
*Will likely need more hdd space in the future ….. would I be better off just getting a larger case?
*Let’s say that the case was filled with 9 hdd will 600 W of power still be enough?
*I know that’s a lot of space but my goal is to put my dvd and bd collection onto the server without compressing…. Mind you I might just do the movie as I rarely ever watch the extras. Dvds alone will be 4700 gb to 9000 gb depending on how many are single and dual layered discs.
*Knowing the number of drives that I eventually hope to have (12 TB of dvd and downloaded content + X tb for about 150 blu rays) should I be thinking about a different approach as I don’t know the limits of flexraid and parity drives required? Will this require a larger power source in the long run….. even though I won’t have that many drives to start with?






On the other end of the server I am thinking.....

Goals
.... stream uncompressed CDs, DVDs, Blu Rays, internet media and compressed material via ethernet/gigabit routers/hi spd cable modem
..... some gaming WoW, Starcraft 2, Diablo 3, no FPShooters
.... option to play discs

Will pass through Marantz av7005 pre/pro

How much memory will some sort of nice looking interface for my movie collection take up? Would that info be on the server or on the front end? I removed any large storage device as the plan is for a server to do the heavy storage?

Case is bought with space so that in the future if a graphics card or hdd is needed it can be installed

My Gaming HTPC

case
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=45041&vpn=VL52021N2U&manufacture=Thermaltake
Thermaltake Element Q mITX Case Black 1X5.25 1X3.5 1X3.5INT Front USB Audio With 200W PSU
Ncix $75

mobo
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=049013
Asus P8H77-I Socket 1155 Intel H77 Chipset Dual channel DDR3 2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz 1x PCI-Express 3.0 x16 GLAN 8-CH High Definition Audio 4x SATA 3.0Gb/s 2x SATA 6.0Gb/s 4x USB 3.0 8x USB 2.0 DVI/VGA/HDMI Mini ITX $105

cpu
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&item_id=050256
Intel Core i5-3570 Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.4Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 22nm (Retail Boxed) Gen3 (BX80637I53570)$220

ram
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_312_612&item_id=039987
Corsair Vengeance Low Profile 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 DIMMs (CML8GX3M2A1600C9) $55

ssd
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=179_1088&item_id=042973
Corsair Force Series 3 180GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive (SSD), Read: 550MB/s Write: 490MB/s, includes 2.5" to 3.5" bracket (CSSD-F180GB3-BK $165

disc drive
http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_54&item_id=050277
LiteOn iHBS312-98 Black 12x Blu-ray Writer, Internal SATA, Retail Box -- 16x DVD+/-R/RW Write Drive $69
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Paid for Assassin's server and htpc blogs and started planning things out... I think the value of those blogs is really going to pay off in that I am spending less on components than expected and there is a ton of step by steps for using software to set up the servers and stuff like xmbc

Agreed. cool.gif

Let me sort through your post and see if I have some additional thoughts.
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For your motherboard consider a B75 or H77 with 8 sata ports. Add an intel NIC if you want for about $25.

I would consider an Ivy i3 next week. Plenty of muscle. However since you are using this as a standard desktop PC as well the i5 is probaby a better choice. I am struggling with this decision myself on my desktop rebuild.

PSU is a little large but for a desktop PC it isn't unreasonable. Gives you leverage to switch things up and add a gaming card later if wanted. If that isn't needed or ever wanted I would consider a 400-500w PSU. Either is more than enough for a server running software raid such as FlexRaid.

I would get DDR3 1600 RAM. Start with 2x4GB. You won't need 16GB.

For the OS I like the SSD. I would consider Samsung, Intel or Crucial. 120-128GB is a good size for a PC but for a desktop you might want a 256GB SSD.

I would start with only as many drives as you need. Adding a drive is easy to do and I posted a new guide last night on how this is done. Green drives are the way to go for storage.

Make sure to choose Win 7 64 bit since you are using this as a desktop PC. Consider using Professional instead of home if you want to use Windows remote access like I show you in the guides.

Windows doesn't include bluray disc playback. You will need software to do this.

Case is a great choice. I use the Antec 300 for my personal server.

Since you are only building the server now I will hold comments on the other machine until later.
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I think gaming won't be done on this machine as later I want to put one in the home theatre.

But in terms of power sources, green hdds and cases. How many hdds can I power with the current configuration and how many can fit inside the case without compromising cooling.

Will probably take advice on going H77 and get an i5 probably one similar to the gaming htpc with hd4000 as I don't think it's much more for that feature.
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I think gaming won't be done on this machine as later I want to put one in the home theatre.
But in terms of power sources, green hdds and cases. How many hdds can I power with the current configuration and how many can fit inside the case without compromising cooling.

The space in the case is your limiting factor. Not the PSU. That case has excellent cooling which is why I recommend it.

The Goliath that I built uses 65w at idle, 127w at peak during startup and 75w while streaming a 1080p file.
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The space in the case is your limiting factor. Not the PSU. That case has excellent cooling which is why I recommend it.
The Goliath that I built uses 65w at idle, 127w at peak during startup and 75w while streaming a 1080p file.

What's the highest number of hdd you can safely fit in the antec case
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