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I am torn between the level I want to get them.

My mother will install quickbooks on it which is probably the heaviest program that would run. She does not game.
Internet. Pictures. movies. Standard PC stuff.

She currently has a Radeon 6550 video card in her Athlon PC we are replacing that I could choose to use- but don't see it important.

I have a case, PSU for her.

Basically I am torn on the CPU.

Do I get:

https://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G850BOX
Intel Pentium Dual-Core Processor G850 2.9GHz 5.0GT/s 3MB LGA1155 CPU, Retail - BX80623G850 $68.99- $5.00 off plus shipping is basically $70 shipped to me.

or,

$99 microcenter i3

or $159 microcenter i5.


I also need a motherboard- so the combo savings at microcenter might make sense.
Otherwise, I end up ordering from Newegg the mobo... the CPU from Superbiz..,.

What you think???

This pc will probably run for at least a few years...

I have an SSD and most other parts I need already.



I am basically asking for "where is the best CPU value" or where is the value spot for a CPU/Motherboard/RAM purchase ???

I want 8GB DDR3 at least 1600mhz... and probably an Asrock or Asus motherboard LGA1155.


Will Microcenter do the combo deal on the 2500k ????

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OK, when you said parents, my first thought was dell... that is the only time I ever think dell... but as you said, you have many of the parts, then yes build of course. Get and i3 on a combo. Whatever H77 mATX board is the best deal. $30 to go from G850 to i3 is no-brainer. I'm tempted to say i5, then realize my mother never uses anything but her iPAD anymore for computing.
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OK, when you said parents, my first thought was dell... that is the only time I ever think dell... but as you said, you have many of the parts, then yes build of course. Get and i3 on a combo. Whatever H77 mATX board is the best deal. $30 to go from G850 to i3 is no-brainer. I'm tempted to say i5, then realize my mother never uses anything but her iPAD anymore for computing.


I don't think the $30 makes a big difference up to the i3.... and I could even get a $49 G620 which is about $15 cheaper after tax.

Do they have combo deals on the i3 ???

If I could do a $50 off motherboard combo deal at Microcenter... I would actually give her my G630 and slap the 2500k into my own HTPC.. I would gladly pay the small upgrade cost.

I just not sure if microcenter does the $50 combo on the 2500k or not.

And I don't want to spend and hour in the car driving to boston if I can avoid that... $6 shipping from superbiz seems reasonable.

But if the combo is there... sure I would drive for $56.

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I am thinking perhaps a motherboard like this:

ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157297


Anyone have a better suggestion or advice?

with 8GB of DDR3 for $38

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226288

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Ok looks like microcenter only offers the $50 combo on the i5 3570


I would have got the 2500k instead since the $30 is not that important (what do you think ?)

I noticed they have the Asus Z68 deluxe for $99

This temps me because I have the same motherboard in my PC and I could use the same restore CD I make for them for set up- now and in the future.

Plus- I think it's a feature loaded bad assed board for $99 and doubt there is anything close in that price under $100 even if it's mostly unused or overkill.

$189+$50= $239. A bit more than I wanted to spend but might make sense from the value standpoint.

thoughts?

239$ for a 3570 i5 + Asus Deluxe Z68

or

$165 for a G850 CPU and Asrock Z77 Pro3 ???

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A "mom's gonna just use QuickBooks" says G540 with 4GB and a H61 motherboard to me. Your Mom will not see ANY difference between a G530 and i7-3770K for what she'll be doing.

 

 

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A "mom's gonna just use QuickBooks" says G540 with 4GB and a H61 motherboard to me. Your Mom will not see ANY difference between a G530 and i7-3770K for what she'll be doing.

I am actually thinking of replacing my HTPC (Z68 Asrock 8GB/ G630) and giving it to her- and taking the i5 on Z68 Asus Deluxe for me.

Not that she "needs" it- nor do I.

But here is how I see it:

I don't think I want an aged chipset at this point. The budget allows for better than H61 and I already own a bunch of these, it might serve her for a bit but I am actually looking to build her something that might last a bit longer.

So if I step up to the 77 chipset motherboards would run about $80-$100. Plus say a $70 G850 @2.9 = $150-$200 in total cost. (You could go i3, G620 etc all basically the same)

Lets say it's $95 Asrock + $70 G850 that is $165ish if shipping is free on the motherboard (I not even look)

A Z68 Asus Deluxe is $99 @ microcenter and I can probably get the $50 credit combo on the 2500k I am hoping. So that means $208 $43 more I can get i5 quad core on a motherboard that's way more loaded with feature and higher end (except older Z68)

$43 is honestly not that big a cost to my parents, the mere suggestion it might be more capable or last an extra year or two before being not enough is worth it to them. My dad spends more than $43 on spilt beer each month... lol.

And if not- I would do it myself and give them mine for the $50 more My HTPC does not need to be a 2500k but I certainly might appreciate the extra power and I have been gaming a little on mine since it's hooked up to my theater projector.

it's tough because on one hand I want to be frugal and intelligent about this- the other hand the i5 and Asus Z68 deluxe seems such an outstanding value.

The thing that puts it over the top is I have an Asus Z68 Deluxe + 2600k in my main PC and I am not only happy with it- but I could consolidate restore DVD to both machines since the motherboards are the same and the 2500k is not much different than the 2600k.
The time I put into this setting it up could be further saved- since I might create a custom Windows install DVD with how I want it set up- to use for restore on both machine in the future. I have been wanting to do this for a while.

I am looking for a cool easy way to switch from RAID0 SSD's back to a single... without having to reinstall everything from scratch.

Basically- I thinking that a second motherboard of the same type would make it much easier for the next couple years for me - for both machines- given consolidated drivers and such.

Is it really worth $43 ???

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With the vid card.....since you mention HTPC duty...if your going to set it up for some post processing like madVR then it may be worth carrying over. Otherwise I would stick to the IGP. If your not going to use it's ability, may as well save the extra power draw nevermind simpler machine.
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If you're looking i5, why not the 3570K then?

BTW, before automatically jumping on an MC combo and paying MA state tax, look at some of the combos Newegg has. I recently did better with the Newegg combos with the i5-3570K than I would have done at MC and I didn't have to drive there or give any more money to Duval.

 

 

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If you're looking i5, why not the 3570K then?
BTW, before automatically jumping on an MC combo and paying MA state tax, look at some of the combos Newegg has. I recently did better with the Newegg combos with the i5-3570K than I would have done at MC and I didn't have to drive there or give any more money to Duval.

Yes. Probably not use video card.

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If you're looking i5, why not the 3570K then?
BTW, before automatically jumping on an MC combo and paying MA state tax, look at some of the combos Newegg has. I recently did better with the Newegg combos with the i5-3570K than I would have done at MC and I didn't have to drive there or give any more money to Duval.


I am not seeing anything currently.

Budget is about 200$ for board and chip.

I5 seems so close it's prob worth it.

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If you're looking i5, why not the 3570K then?
BTW, before automatically jumping on an MC combo and paying MA state tax, look at some of the combos Newegg has. I recently did better with the Newegg combos with the i5-3570K than I would have done at MC and I didn't have to drive there or give any more money to Duval.


You think the 3570 has advantage over the 2500k?

For 159 vs 189$ ??


Assuming I could get either.

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For your requirements, the $50 G630 at Microcenter can't be beat. Paired with a decent mobo (I use the Asrock H77M) and a SSD you should have a very fast and responsive setup that will feel like a high end PC. My setup boots from cold in 10secs and runs WMC very smoothly.
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the i3, just came out. I plan on getting one myself. Microcenters current ad and deals are for the dates 9/3-9/16 so I personally am waiting for the 17th to see if their new ad has the new processor with some deals. It may, it may not. But the current doesn't because the chip released after the ad. I normally never suggest waiting to buy a part, but in this case, I would say wait the 3 additional days to see what they put in the ad before pulling the trigger on that awesome processor.
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Plan solved.

Upgrade my current Asrock Z68 + G630 to Asrock Z77 +3570 Ivy.

Use the 630 /Z68 for my mom.

Bought the Z77 Asrock ATX + 3570 ivy yesterday. With the $50 bundle it seemed a good deal- I would have bought the same motherboard with pretty much any chip I think so getting $50 off the 3570 i5 just made the extra cost worth it over i3.

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Good approach. Plus, you will know your mum's machine inside and out for future troubleshooting.
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Good approach. Plus, you will know your mum's machine inside and out for future troubleshooting.

Z68 Asrock and G630 CPU with 8GB Gskill have been a nice little machine and very fast.

Fast to start up, restard and overall given the cost.

I will miss the machine- it was pretty amazing how good it was for under $300.

NOTE: I use a much more substantial machine for my Desktop.

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My family gets a lot of my leftovers / experiments at a nice discount smile.gif. They love it. It's a good way to go.

 

 

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My family gets a lot of my leftovers / experiments at a nice discount smile.gif. They love it. It's a good way to go.

I do the same thing. My fathers main machine is a H55 board with a i3 540 in it. It used to be one of my HTPC's. I upgraded his hard drive to a 128GB C300 when I upgraded my system drive. I was amazed at how fast it ran. It's really spoiled him compared to his work computer. He complains all the time about it. I upgraded that one as much as I could, but it still pales in comparison. Especially without a SSD. My Dad's main uses are web browsing and yes Quickbooks.
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I would suggest separating the HTPC from their PC, unless you want to get phone calls all the time about this not working and that not working.

I built 2 Atom systems for my parents, one boots into WMC and is locked into Media only mode, and the other is the PC.

I never get any phone calls about the "DVR" but I do get phone calls about the PC, either "the volume is not working" or the "internet is not working" ... none of which has anyhting to do with the system, but with what either of the users did last.

6 TV's in the house on FiOS and we only pay $4.99/month to connect them all!!! Power to the CableCard and WMC7!!!
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