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post #61 of 128 Old 10-16-2012, 04:56 PM
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O.K. I see i7 is believed to be overkill... In this case I am going to follow suggestion given by StardogChampion: i5-3475S. smile.gif
Galileo2000 recommended Crucial M4 128GB SSD. Is it reliable and fast? RAM choice is a bit unclear for me: why 1333 and not 1600? I am definitely missing something here... rolleyes.gif
MAK1967 is using Samsung for his memory needs... smile.gif
I see there is no consensus in the matter. What should be major considerations: speed, heat emissions, reliability, size? rolleyes.gif

Cost biggrin.gif

I'd rather have 16GB at 1333 than 8GB at 1600. I do some virtualization and do find 16GB convenient.
Besides, Photoshop loves RAM and I love Photoshop.

As of Crucial M4, I am very happy with mine. But I am low maintence I guess. smile.gif

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Cost biggrin.gif
I'd rather have 16GB at 1333 than 8GB at 1600. I do some virtualization and do find 16GB convenient.
Besides, Photoshop loves RAM and I love Photoshop.
As of Crucial M4, I am very happy with mine. But I am low maintence I guess. smile.gif

1333 and 1600 is roughly the same price.

I realize you love Photoshop but I bet less than 1% of people on this forum are doing serious Photoshop on their HTPC. So to make that recommendation is a little specific to how you use it.

Is me or has this forum increasingly forgotten that its a HTPC forum?
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1333 and 1600 is roughly the same price.
I realize you love Photoshop but I bet less than 1% of people on this forum are doing serious Photoshop on their HTPC. So to make that recommendation is a little specific to how you use it.
Is me or has this forum increasingly forgotten that its a HTPC forum?

You are correct about Photoshop, but he did say he wants to do some virtualization.

As of 16GB in general, I'd rather have and don't need than need and don't have.

Point me where I can get 16GB 1600 for $60.

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Intel's i3 is still a better choice for your basic needs than Trinity.

Yes, you're probably right in terms of computing power, but the idea that intel still doesn't have the 24p framerate fixed bugs me so I've decided to try out the new trinity chip.

I have a clarksdale i3 for my first htpc (I will be moving that up to the bedroom soon) and I had to go get a separate video card to get it to look good during 1080p h.264 playback. I'm not saying that I couldn't have gotten it to work without some tweaking... Honestly I don't know enough about it, but the video card fixed it.

I just built my second htpc with an AMD llano chip and have had absolutely no issues (other than some bad ram from gskill... Coincidentally, this happened with my first htpc also, same mfg and model, ripjaws). It's been running continuously with xbmc in my home theater for over 50 days with no issues. Video playback looks great.

Oh, I have an intel i7 in my laptop and an AMD phenom x4 9600 quad core @ 2.6 ghz in the server.

Can I ask why you guys get so fired up about what CPUs people choose to use?
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Yes, you're probably right in terms of computing power, but the idea that intel still doesn't have the 24p framerate fixed bugs me so I've decided to try out the new trinity chip.
I have a clarksdale i3 for my first htpc (I will be moving that up to the bedroom soon) and I had to go get a separate video card to get it to look good during 1080p h.264 playback. I'm not saying that I couldn't have gotten it to work without some tweaking... Honestly I don't know enough about it, but the video card fixed it.
I just built my second htpc with an AMD llano chip and have had absolutely no issues (other than some bad ram from gskill... Coincidentally, this happened with my first htpc also, same mfg and model, ripjaws). It's been running continuously with xbmc in my home theater for over 50 days with no issues. Video playback looks great.
Oh, I have an intel i7 in my laptop and an AMD phenom x4 9600 quad core @ 2.6 ghz in the server.
Can I ask why you guys get so fired up about what CPUs people choose to use?

Intel vs AMD, PCs vs Macs, Bluray vs HDDVD..I could go on biggrin.gif

We humans are agressive species and love to convert.

I personally belong to the Intel camp smile.gif

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Yes, you're probably right in terms of computing power, but the idea that intel still doesn't have the 24p framerate fixed bugs me so I've decided to try out the new trinity chip.

Pssst.

Intel does it as well as anyone/everyone else.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333324/lets-set-this-straight-no-one-can-do-24p-consistently-well
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Pssst.
Intel does it as well as anyone/everyone else.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333324/lets-set-this-straight-no-one-can-do-24p-consistently-well

Right, I agree with post #29 in that thread, except I've got a newer video card. I understand most people don't see or don't care about the stutter but I see it... well I used to anyway.
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Right, I agree with post #29 in that thread, except I've got a newer video card. I understand most people don't see or don't care about the stutter but I see it... well I used to anyway.

That's Clarksdale. That's 3 generations old now. Ivy and Sandy Bridge are improved.

Start at the end of that thread and read backwards if you really want your head to explode.
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Yes, you're probably right in terms of computing power, but the idea that intel still doesn't have the 24p framerate fixed bugs me so I've decided to try out the new trinity chip.
I have a clarksdale i3 for my first htpc (I will be moving that up to the bedroom soon) and I had to go get a separate video card to get it to look good during 1080p h.264 playback. I'm not saying that I couldn't have gotten it to work without some tweaking... Honestly I don't know enough about it, but the video card fixed it.
I just built my second htpc with an AMD llano chip and have had absolutely no issues (other than some bad ram from gskill... Coincidentally, this happened with my first htpc also, same mfg and model, ripjaws). It's been running continuously with xbmc in my home theater for over 50 days with no issues. Video playback looks great.
Oh, I have an intel i7 in my laptop and an AMD phenom x4 9600 quad core @ 2.6 ghz in the server.
Can I ask why you guys get so fired up about what CPUs people choose to use?

Easily. I've never been happier since I dumped all AMD CPU's out of my systems. They are simply too slow and decrepit compared to Ivy Bridge. In fact, Piledriver should be compared to Nehalem to be fair . . . which is two generations behind and obsolete. The difference is very noticeable. No surprise AMD is losing workers and investment left and right.
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If you want to explore ripple & noise for picoPSUs and various AC adapters this is a great article: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=207. It names the picoPSU 120-WI-25 with 19V AC adapter as the best choice. That might be enough for your system if you go the i5 route. I was thinking last night you could even underclock the i5-3570K and bring down the max TDP.
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Interesting article...

I fried a 12V picoPSU (yellow one) by accident and a wide voltage picoPSU (red one) is still sitting on the sideline.

My DH61AG/i5-2390T combination is powered by an Adapter Tech 160W 19V brick.

My HD-Plex H3/ASUS P8H61-I/i5-2500S combination is powered by a Thinkpad 72W 16V brick.

I know the brick selections are a bit backward as limited by the plug types and what I bought. So far they worked fine.
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...Point me where I can get 16GB 1600 for $60.

I bought some Crucial 1866 at slightly lower price than Crucial 1600. Then I realized they are CL9 vs CL8 for the 1600. Real column access time are as following:

1600Mhz, CL8, access time from column address strobe=5.0nSec
1866Mhz, CL9, access time from column address strobe=4.8nSec

There are virtually no performance difference and yet 1866Mhz was priced a few dollars lower. So there are no pricing relationship to what you see labeled as 1333 or 1600.
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I have some real-world power consumption numbers for the i7-3770S someone just sent me last night I want to relay here. This is in a mini-ITX system in the Realan E-i7 case using a SSD, 8GB RAM and a 84W AC adapter (yes, really).

"At idle it uses 25w and has a temp of 30C; while running a game on medium settings it uses 58w and reached a max temp of 61C. Not to bad for integrated graphics; intels hd 4000 graphics aren't half bad."

I hope that helps.

 

 

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There is no need for 16GB of RAM or 1333 for Ivy Bridge.
8GB (or even 4GB) and DDR3 1600.

Right.


1333 is actually slower than 1600.
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Right.
1333 is actually slower than 1600.

1600 CL=9 would be slower than let's say 1333 CL=7
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1600 CL=9 would be slower than let's say 1333 CL=7

No. Latency makes no difference for HTPC.
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Sure it does, CL happens at the beginning on every column access. It doesn't matter on LONG access such as streaming. But computer have lots of other things to do.

Not only that, RAM doesn't generate clock. System generates clock. Clock is only used externally. Internally RAM is asynchronous.
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Sure it does, CL happens at the beginning on every column access. It doesn't matter on LONG access such as streaming. But computer have lots of other things to do.
Not only that, RAM doesn't generate clock. System generates clock. Clock is only used externally. Internally RAM is asynchronous.

You won't notice a bit of difference in real world use for HTPC. Go ahead and spend more if you like.
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I actually just built an HTPC to replace all my consoles and DVD, CD, and BR players. After all is said and done, I am really happy with the final build. Here is what I used:

Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 HyperX Plug n Play Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3P1K2/8G
Intel Core i5-3570 Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics ...
SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC ...
Mushkin Enhanced Atlas Series MKNSSDAT60GB-DX mSATA 60GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
ASUS Maximus V Gene LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
ASUS HD7770-2GD5 Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support ...
GELID Solutions FN-PX12-15 120mm Case Fan with Intelligent PWM control
GIGABYTE Bluetooth 4.0/WiFi Expansion Card GC-WB300D (used onboard mPCIe port instead of bundled PCIe riser card)
SILVERSTONE Black Aluminum / 0.8mm SECC Grandia Series GD04B micro-ATX (with USB 3.0 front port add-in)
Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Logitech K800 Black USB RF Wireless Slim Illuminated Keyboard
Logitech M515 (910-001840) Silver 3 Buttons Tilt Wheel USB RF Wireless Couch Mouse
Scythe SCBSK-2100 120mm Sleeve BIG Shuriken 2 Rev. B CPU Cooler
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM

I plan on adding an external 5 to 7 bay NAS for additional storage and probably upgrading the SSD to 256GB, had to cut corners on that due to budget. Also, only have an old DVDRW that will be upgraded to a BDR in the near future.

If you went out and bought all this today, it would cost right around $1500. However, I am a tightwad and waited for each item to go on sale with a final cost of $950.

If you are not doing any gaming, you can skip the video card, saving $180, but this was designed to be a silent gaming rig/HTPC.

My highest recommendations on this list have to be the Motherboard, mouse, keyboard, cooling fans, and case.

The motherboard is mATX and will fit in most HTPC cases. It also has all the bells and whistles including the best integrated audio currently available.
The Logitech Couch Mouse is a little small for my hand, but seriously works flawlessly on fabric. I bought another wireless logitech mouse that was more comfortable, but it never gets used.
I would never buy anything wireless that isn't Logitech. I really dont understand why no one else can do it as well as they can.
The Keyboard is backlit and rechargable via a standard cell phone charger or micro USB cable. Its a little on the heavy side, but you can tell it is a quality product.
I wound up purchasing an older model Silverstone case off of ebay for half price. There were only 2 cases that fit inside of my entertainment center: Silverstone and Lian-Li. I went the cheap way. This case is very well ventilated and the fans never have to speed up, even during intense video encoding sessions.

One big thing to consider is your processor. If you are doing video encoding, you want to beefiest CPU you can afford. Encoding is fully hardware dependent and will use 100% of available compute cycles. Price to performance, $200 is the current sweet spot for Intel.

Just my 2 cents.
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Thank you very much! smile.gif

Could somebody please explain in simple terms if the "24p framerate bug" is fixed in Ivy Bridge or not? I was trying to understand the thread Assassin referred to (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333324/lets-set-this-straight-no-one-can-do-24p-consistently-well) but it is way above my head... rolleyes.gif

What would you consider to be the fastest DDR3 1600 RAM, please? wink.gif


Real-world power consumption numbers for the i7-3770S based HTPC kindly provided by StardogChampion looks really impressive: "...while running a game on medium settings it uses 58w and reached a max temp of 61C." 120W AC adapter should work just fine. smile.gif

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Thank you very much! smile.gif
Could somebody please explain in simple terms if the "24p framerate bug" is fixed in Ivy Bridge or not? I was trying to understand the thread Assassin referred to (http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333324/lets-set-this-straight-no-one-can-do-24p-consistently-well) but it is way above my head... rolleyes.gif
What would you consider to be the fastest DDR3 1600 RAM, please? wink.gif
Real-world power consumption numbers for the i7-3770S based HTPC kindly provided by StardogChampion looks really impressive: "...while running a game on medium settings it uses 58w and reached a max temp of 61C." 120W AC adapter should work just fine. smile.gif

No, I can't do that for you. What I can tell you is that the playback was "stuttery" with my intel i3 Clarksdale build until I put in a separate video card. That fixed it completely (to my eye).

Now, as Assassin says, that CPU is 3 generations old and intel chips with integrated graphics are better now. The thing is, people like Assassin, and he's in the majority it seems, don't see the judder or stuttering as an issue worth worrying about. Hell, apparently some don't even see it at all. To me, it was a big deal. I couldn't not notice it.

What I'm not sure of now is if it was actually a 24p framerate issue or some other issue with the intel chip that caused the playback issues I experienced. Frankly, I don't care and won't buy another intel chip for an htpc until they fix the issue and everyone who uses it says it's been fixed... that's not the same as "well, just ignore it and enjoy yourself" or "quit obsessing" or whatever else they like to say. Intel could have fixed the issue with newer GPU models, I don't know because I can't trust the opinions of the above majority and I don't have access to a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge build to see for myself. Like I said earlier, the AMD llano build had no playback issues whatsoever. So, I'm going to try Trinity out on the assumption that they improved on the Llano chip.

Oh and you should check out the Samsung memory and ssd's, quality stuff. I don't think anyone would argue that..
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1600 CL=9 would be slower than let's say 1333 CL=7

Moverover... Most CL9 1600 can run CL7 at a slower speed like 1333


I bought 16GB of Gskill 1600mhz CL9 and run it at 1866mhz no problem... stable.

It's not a big deal for memory speed on sandy bridge.

The z77 can run 2400mhz+ no problem. The memory controller on both Z68 and Z77 exceed what the market offers for reasonable prices.

But , the market does not support it because there is little benefit to overlcocking or higher speed memory on this architecture.

From 1066 and 1333 you see a small gain up to 1600mhz. Above 1600mhz the gains become smaller and the speed must increase more and more to realize benefit.

Sure 2100mhz is a bit faster... but it's only like 6% or so. The cost for that high end memory kit is double the cost so it makes no sense.

1600mhz CL9 for the win!

It's cheap, and as cheap as anything out there and it works as well too.
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You are correct about Photoshop, but he did say he wants to do some virtualization.
As of 16GB in general, I'd rather have and don't need than need and don't have.
Point me where I can get 16GB 1600 for $60.

It's $79. About $40 per 8GB for decent 1600mhz CL9 like RipJawz.

You can get some decent 1600mhz CL11 for a bit cheaper ($69)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226289&name=Desktop-Memory
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Real-world power consumption numbers for the i7-3770S based HTPC kindly provided by StardogChampion looks really impressive: "...while running a game on medium settings it uses 58w and reached a max temp of 61C." 120W AC adapter should work just fine. smile.gif

As always worth mentioning in my mind, if you have a microcenter nearby then go for their 3770k / $50 off z77 deal (in store only)

As for audio, there is currently no DAC from realtek or anywhere else that supports anything higher than 24/192. As others have mentioned, for movies you're better off bitstreaming through HDMI which is a function of the PCH (i.e. any intel series 7 motherboard will provide the same result). For playback of your 24/352 stuff, you're not going to find any consumer level audio card or onboard DACs that support that.

On to mSATA, not sure why you wanted this specifically, but all newer boards have sata III and the sata III ssds are the best value right now (better value than pci and msata for a while actaully)

Virtualization - it seems to have been looked over that you were looking into an overkill processor to support monkeying around with virtualized operating systems. YOU ARE IN THE WRONG FORUM biggrin.gif You're needs won't match anyone else here for their HTPC. I myself play around with linux installs quite a bit, but I use usb sticks for that. Virtual OSX doesn't sound like my cup of tea, but I think you might be better off finding a hackintosh-able box that you could dual boot with any desired linux distros AND do it all in something like an Antec 900 as opposed to that stunning hd-plex case.

Photoshop - I'm pretty sure you mentioned this as your lowest order of preference, but the i7 is in no way necessary for great photoshop performance. If you were doing it for a living you could probably justify if, but even an i3-2100 has good photoshop performance because of it's single threaded prowess
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Moverover... Most CL9 1600 can run CL7 at a slower speed like 1333
I bought 16GB of Gskill 1600mhz CL9 and run it at 1866mhz no problem... stable.
It's not a big deal for memory speed on sandy bridge.
The z77 can run 2400mhz+ no problem. The memory controller on both Z68 and Z77 exceed what the market offers for reasonable prices.
But , the market does not support it because there is little benefit to overlcocking or higher speed memory on this architecture.
From 1066 and 1333 you see a small gain up to 1600mhz. Above 1600mhz the gains become smaller and the speed must increase more and more to realize benefit.
Sure 2100mhz is a bit faster... but it's only like 6% or so. The cost for that high end memory kit is double the cost so it makes no sense.
1600mhz CL9 for the win!
It's cheap, and as cheap as anything out there and it works as well too.

That's right, what the memory will run at is actually coded in the SPD chip on the module in accordance with the JEDEC DIMM standard. The current production are mostly at 1866Mhz, CL=9 now. Of course they will run at slower clock rate with lower CAS Latency.

I made a SPD programming jig for SO-DIMM just for fun but never succeeded in making a working alternated SPD data set. It was just too complex:
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You won't notice a bit of difference in real world use for HTPC. Go ahead and spend more if you like.

No need to be shell shocked and haul out that HTPC rhetoric on every post. I am not saying you are wrong. 5nSec is much shorter than Google's "blink of an eye responds" of 500MSec. It just that other people may have other view points.
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No need to be shell shocked and haul out that HTPC rhetoric on very post. I am not saying you are wrong. It just that other people may have other view points.

Oh boy.

i7 is faster. Get that as well. Better get a $200 motherboard too.
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Oh boy.
i7 is faster. Get that as well. Better get a $200 motherboard too.

Assassin,

You are very well respected on this forum and rightfully so.

Don't cloud your shiny image by pushing other nicks around.

Everybody is entitled to express their own opinion.

It is a forum, not a blog.

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Assassin,
You are very well respected on this forum and rightfully so.
Don't cloud your shiny image by pushing other nicks around.
Everybody is entitled to express their own opinion.
It is a forum, not a blog.

Totally agree. But there is no need to pay more for RAM with a specific latency. There is almost never a reason to buy 7200 RPM hard drives. And there is even less reason to purchase an i7.

Generally speaking for HTPC of course. In a HTPC forum. And I am also entitled to have an opinion.

In the last 2 years (at least) I can't recall a single thread where we debated latency. Its simply not a noticeable issue for this platform.

Before we know it this forum will be overrun with posts like this one stating that this is a "typical" or "recommended" parts list for a HTPC.
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Totally agree. But there is no need to pay more for RAM with a specific latency. There is almost never a reason to buy 7200 RPM hard drives. And there is even less reason to purchase an i7.
Generally speaking for HTPC of course. In a HTPC forum. And I am also entitled to have an opinion.
In the last 2 years (at least) I can't recall a single thread where we debated latency. Its simply not a noticeable issue for this platform.
Before we know it this forum will be overrun with posts like this one stating that this is a "typical" or "recommended" parts list for a HTPC.

Thing is, almost everyone wants to use their HTPC not only as "Video Component", but for some other purposes as well.

i7 would be very nice to have for the video encoding, for instance.

I went with the minimum reqs for my latest Ivy Bridge build, but only because I have another, beefier Sandy Bridge machine, which I can use for the CPU-intensive tasks. Had I started from scratch, I probably would select more powerful than i3 CPU and Z77 chipset MB.

As of the post you have mentioned, IMO it was just a poor choice of the words in the title by the OP there.

And he was punished for this choice multiple times by many nicks biggrin.gif

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Thing is, almost everyone wants to use their HTPC not only as "Video Component", but for some other purposes as well.
i7 would be very nice to have for the video encoding, for instance.
I went with the minimum reqs for my latest Ivy Bridge build, but only because I have another, beefier Sandy Bridge machine, which I can use for the CPU-intensive tasks. Had I started from scratch, I probably would select more powerful than i3 CPU and Z77 chipset MB.
As of the post you have mentioned, IMO it was just a poor choice of the words in the title by the OP there.
And he was punished for this choice multiple times by many nicks biggrin.gif

I don't think that's true at all.

I think the main point of this forum (and why it is so great and better than almost every other forum of it kind on the planet) is that is has become a very good HTPC forum. If you stick around you will see the occasional gaming discussion but very infrequently are people using their HTPC for "some other purpose" that requires an i7, specific latency of RAM, etc.

The minute you "get" these concepts is the minute you "get" HTPC and what its all about. This isn't Hard Forum, Anandtech (where I am the HTPC moderator, btw), Overclockers, etc. This is a very specific niche with a very specific type of machine.

Take the OP in this thread for instance. He is asking --- in a HTPC forum --- for a design with a silent HTPC/PC. Even the "other purposes" he lists aren't really going to have a dramatic improvement (per cost ratio) from an i7, different latency RAM, etc. An Ivy Bridge i3 with whatever latency you choose will not only get the job done for him but get it done with aplomb.

And then when you factor in the HTPC aspect of it some of the choices he could make might actually make this a worse machine. Larger CPU, larger PSU (still recommended by many for whatever reason) etc are all likely poor choices for him and not worth the money.

These are the kinds of discussions that I have tought my team at my small company to have with customers. We end up often saving people literally hundreds of dollars for their HTPC by dispelling myths that simply are not true and offering sound tried and true HTPC advice.

If you don't like my take then don't read my posts. I encourage you to use the ignore function for my account.
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