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Did WD discontinue its 5TB line? Looking yesterday, I couldn't find any for sale at stores I shop: Micro center, bestbuy, Amazon, newegg.
I was just researching surveillance drives and noticed they seem to be either 4TB, 6TB, or 8TB.

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Any good Black Friday deals this year for media server/nas drives?
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Any good Black Friday deals this year for media server/nas drives?


Seagate 8tb external drives for $169 on Amazon?
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Seagate 8tb external drives for $169 on Amazon?


Aren't those SMR drives?
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Aren't those SMR drives?

Not sure, but there's nothing wrong with smr for the purpose of media storage.
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Not sure, but there's nothing wrong with smr for the purpose of media storage.
If you're only talking about simply dumping videos to a drive and using it a write once/read many configuration then I would agree, but when you're talking about using them in a parity based storage array then it gets a little more fuzzy, especially when it comes to parity updates or rebuilding a failed drive.

The drawbacks of using SMR drives in these arrays may not bother some or most people but that isn't the same as saying there are no drawbacks at all.

RAID protection is only for failed drives. That's it. It's no replacement for a proper backup.
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Not sure, but there's nothing wrong with smr for the purpose of media storage.
There is when you have a parity raid application like RAIDZ.
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I have gone back and forth on housing the media locally but with cloud based storage I prefer storing everything in the cloud. I don't have to worry about power consumption, availability, outages, etc. This of course all hinges on fast upload/download. I still maintain a local storage but is only used for temporary storage or to hold a que for large files. If I am not strict about audio/video performance than streaming the content from the cloud storage is acceptable.

Plex and the like are integrating with cloud storage providers to make the process more streamlined.
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I was just researching surveillance drives and noticed they seem to be either 4TB, 6TB, or 8TB.
I'm a little bummed by that. The 5TB drives were a good value for me. The 6TB are still a bit too expensive, and the 4TB are too small, having built my initial RAID with 3x5TB drives.

But I'm ok for now. I just ripped 30 more blu-rays (Thanksgiving deals) and have 850 GB remaining on my 10TB system. That will get me through Christmas. Then I need to stop buying until I've done more watching

Hopefully next Summer the 6TB drives will be a bit more affordable.
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Hopefully next Summer the 6TB drives will be a bit more affordable.
Drive manufacturers aren't discounting much anymore (not since the drive crisis) and I saw no good Black Friday sales for NAS drives this year. I am not optimistic that this will improve by summer.
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I know that smr isn't ideal for real time raid, but seeing as this is mfusick's thread and he's using snapshot I just assumed that everyone knew I wasn't talking about real time.
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Also as someone has pointed out already, with rebuild times being what they are with such large drives, I wouldn't ever use a raid scheme involving only two failed drives being the maximum allowed.
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I know that smr isn't ideal for real time raid, but seeing as this is mfusick's thread and he's using snapshot I just assumed that everyone knew I wasn't talking about real time.
Potential drawbacks aren't limited to real time.

RAID protection is only for failed drives. That's it. It's no replacement for a proper backup.
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I'm a little bummed by that. The 5TB drives were a good value for me. The 6TB are still a bit too expensive, and the 4TB are too small, having built my initial RAID with 3x5TB drives.

But I'm ok for now. I just ripped 30 more blu-rays (Thanksgiving deals) and have 850 GB remaining on my 10TB system. That will get me through Christmas. Then I need to stop buying until I've done more watching

Hopefully next Summer the 6TB drives will be a bit more affordable.
Having maxed out my available drive bays with 4 TB drives, I am left contemplating the best path to expansion. I still have about 8 TB of free space. I figure that to be good to get me through all of this year and into 2018. If it turns out to not be enough though, I Suspect I will simply have to bite the bullet and go with 8 TB drives. The problem I have with that is that the parity drives need to be the same size or larger than the data drives. This makes for needing to make a very hefty investment up front to change the parity drives to 8TB versions.

One of my mates claims he has figured out how to rip 4K discs. If he has, my storage issues are going to get very fuzzy and very complicated as I convert about 20 title over to 4K versions and then start adding 4K titles from new releases.
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The problem I have with that is that the parity drives need to be the same size or larger than the data drives.
Not exactly. The parity drives don't need to be the same size or larger than the data drives. The PPUs need to be the same size or larger than the largest DRU. I haven't tried it but maybe you could put two 4TB partitions on a single 8TB drive and set up each partition as a separate DRU. Your 4TB PPUs would still be the same size as the DRUs.
If that doesn't work you might be able to span two 4TB drives into a single 8TB PPU.
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Having maxed out my available drive bays with 4 TB drives, I am left contemplating the best path to expansion. I still have about 8 TB of free space. I figure that to be good to get me through all of this year and into 2018. If it turns out to not be enough though, I Suspect I will simply have to bite the bullet and go with 8 TB drives. The problem I have with that is that the parity drives need to be the same size or larger than the data drives. This makes for needing to make a very hefty investment up front to change the parity drives to 8TB versions.

One of my mates claims he has figured out how to rip 4K discs. If he has, my storage issues are going to get very fuzzy and very complicated as I convert about 20 title over to 4K versions and then start adding 4K titles from new releases.
When I ran into this issue a few months ago I just decided to scrap using RAID (SnapRAID). I'm just running StableBit DrivePool and Scanner. When Scanner detects an issue it will begin moving data from that drive to elsewhere in the pool.

Of course my important data is duplicated as well as backed up offsite. The duplicated data is probably about 2TB at the most which is still smaller than my parity drive. I also don't have to deal with drive size limitations for the PPU/DRU or running snapshot updates. So worst case is I lose a drive's worth of media if it fails suddenly.

In the end I just decided I could live without RAID.

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One of my mates claims he has figured out how to rip 4K discs. If he has, my storage issues are going to get very fuzzy and very complicated as I convert about 20 title over to 4K versions and then start adding 4K titles from new releases.
I think your mate is pulling your leg. Unless he's figured out what no one else has. Hope you'll let us know what he figured out, either way!
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You can strip HDCP and do a lossless capture of the 4k bluray. There is no other way.

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For educational purposes -

It's confused a lot of people, but there is no current way to backup UHD discs

The current stuff floating around out there is a combination of two things
1) video from a google play 4k web rip
2) actual hd audio track from 1080p blu-ray rip combined with the video by mkvmerge or similar
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For educational purposes -

It's confused a lot of people, but there is no current way to backup UHD discs

The current stuff floating around out there is a combination of two things
1) video from a google play 4k web rip
2) actual hd audio track from 1080p blu-ray rip combined with the video by mkvmerge or similar
I can't find it, but one of my old posts has a link to a comment from a German developer that claims to have ripped UHD BR discs.

Looky here!
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