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Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 04:21 PM 05-10-2013
I think your right and its .5 meter that does not

donysious's Avatar donysious 05:34 AM 05-11-2013
How did you guys mount the ssd in the norco hot swap bays ? I have looked at options from icy dock and vantec. Anything I should know about them before I purchase them. Any comparability issues ? I am going to use an ssd in a norco 4224.
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 11:58 AM 05-11-2013
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How did you guys mount the ssd in the norco hot swap bays ? I have looked at options from icy dock and vantec. Anything I should know about them before I purchase them. Any comparability issues ? I am going to use an ssd in a norco 4224.

There is plenty of room on the top. It comes with a few brackets to mounts 2.5" HDD's.

You don't need anything for that. It comes with the Norco's.

Take a look in some of the pics I posted earlier:
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Look at those beautiful beasts ^






You can see there is plenty of space for multiple SSD if you wanted and also slim line optical drives. Norco comes with a few different mounting options and plates for them.
amarshonarbangla's Avatar amarshonarbangla 12:21 PM 05-11-2013
I forget, why are you running two separate servers?
donysious's Avatar donysious 12:30 PM 05-11-2013
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There is plenty of room on the top. It comes with a few brackets to mounts 2.5" HDD's.

You don't need anything for that. It comes with the Norco's.

Take a look in some of the pics I posted earlier:
You can see there is plenty of space for multiple SSD if you wanted and also slim line optical drives. Norco comes with a few different mounting options and plates for them.

I only have 24 Sata ports with the mobo and 2 cards. I am getting a norco 4224. So I just want to mount it in the hot swap bays and be done with it. I dont have anymore ports to mount it inside the case. Even if I did then one bay will still be empty.
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 01:13 PM 05-11-2013
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I forget, why are you running two separate servers?

I am not.

I am running a single 30TB server in my home with Flexraid. (it used to be 20TB biggrin.gif )

I have currently: 12 Seagate 3TB 7200.14's (8 on the IBM and 4 on the Z77 SATA2 ports)

I have a 120GB VERTEX 3 SSD as the OS drive on a Sata 3 port (Z77 Intel) and running my original WHS2011 since it was $35 and I own it already legit. It works wonderfully.

Soon I will add a second IBM card and expand my drives further. I have room for 8 more drives.



The second machine with the Samsung SSD I built for someone else. I've built a few of these now.
I have done 4 builds with the Norco 4220 + Flexraid + WHS. I just happen to have a picture handy of those ones.

Wondering if I should open a business building these things. I get a PM occassionally from forum members looking for basically these. Now that I have built a bunch of them it's pretty easy to get set up properly with little fuss. Something that took me hours and hours of tinkering the first time.

The norco case is a bit more serious than some people want, but swapping that out for a cheaper more simpler desktop or micro ITX node is easy enough as well. (Cheaper too wink.gif )

Seems like all the rage about building a HTPC in the last two years has now shifted towards building affordable media servers. I could build and design a pretty nice media server for cheap money, something that was not so true a few years ago

Mobo $50
RAm $35
CPU $35
PSU $50
Case $40
$210 or so before hard drives. Adding storage is basically $40 per TB in drive cost these days. Going seriously big and beyond mobo ports might add another $100 for a good IBM or Supermicro SATA x8 card.

I'm likely to hit 50TB+ in my single server before I'd need a second one.

4TB x 8 = 32TB + 12 x 3TB = 36TB. Minus 12TB for parity (triple 4TB drives) That means in a single 20 bay Norco 4220 you can easily go 50TB plus, and have protection for 3 simulatenous drive failures.
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amarshonarbangla's Avatar amarshonarbangla 05:22 PM 05-11-2013
Nice pictures. I love looking at pictures of people's servers smile.gif
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 09:21 AM 05-12-2013
Thanks smile.gif

I had them available figured I'd slap some up.

I have a bunch more on another memory card from another build.

Soon.
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 10:15 AM 05-14-2013
When I started this thread: (over 12 months ago)
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1404685/cheapest-ever-htpc-thats-decent-proud-of-myself/0_100



I bought a few Asrock H61 US3S motherboards for $44.99 each. I picked them out because I like Asrock, how fast it boots up, and for $44 I got support for LGA1155 socket with USB3.0 and SATA3 ports. Ideal for a cheap HTPC IMO. That was important back then, but common today.
I ended up using one as a media server (Pentium G630 CPU + Asrock H61 + 8GB DDR3 ) and tried out flexraid. That was my first media server I built on the cheap. It cost me a few hundred bucks to get up and running. I have since upgraded my flexraid server to a Z77 mobo, a new CPU, New ram, Added more HDD's and IBM Sata card. Also upgraded the PSU, upgraded the case to Norco 4220... etc. So what started out as a really cheap media server ended up expanding as evidenced in this thread. tongue.gif

I found use for the original parts I bought when I started this thread in a another HTPC for my brother as a gift. Thought I would share. I still believe dollar for dollar this is a great value for what you get. Here is the outcome of the original purchases I made at the beginning of this thread today:

$44.99 -Asrock H61 Mobo with USB3.0 and Sata3
$61.99 -Pentium G630 2.7ghz dual core CPU (G2020 better today)
$31.99 -Crucial 8GB DDR3 1600mhz (4GBx2) ram Kit
$49.99 OCZ Vertex 3 120GB SSD
$17.99 Coolermaster 430watt PSU
$54.99 Coolermaster MILO 03 Case
$0.00 WD Green 3TB HDD (Removed from an external I have had for years)
$261.94 (Add about $100 if you had to buy the 3TB HDD or wanted it.)


Not a bad little machine for that price. USB3.0, Sata 3, with 120GB SSD and 8GB DDR3 Ram. Really no shortcuts even by todays standards. It runs cool and quiet too biggrin.gif
















I bough much of these parts over a year ago (before IVY came out) and I am still proud by the value and functionality it represents. It blows my mind when I see people saying they will wait for Haswell, just like it did a year ago when I saw people saying they are waiting for IVY BRIDGE.
Sure an IVY might be a little better than my G630 CPU I bought over a year ago (2.7ghz dual core) but what real world benefit is achieved??? This stuff changes so fast it's pointless to try to keep up. Buy based on reasonable value and functionality That's my advice This little HTPC is competitive by today's standards for very low $$$.






Here is the external I cracked open: (Originally got for $99)




Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 06:02 AM 05-17-2013
Seagate 3TB 7200.14 is $99 again FYI
pchannan's Avatar pchannan 12:24 AM 05-19-2013
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Seagate 3TB 7200.14 is $99 again FYI

Where?
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 11:01 AM 05-19-2013
Going.. Going... Gone frown.gif

I saw on slick deal.net. They pop up from time to time. Tiger was doing $99 and the Egg was $109.

I did see newegg has the 4TB Seagate for $149 which is a fair deal
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 03:06 PM 05-21-2013
My next upgrade is to move my parity to 4TB so I can employ 4TB drives. Probably when I add my second IBM card.
amarshonarbangla's Avatar amarshonarbangla 09:26 PM 05-21-2013
Instead of adding a second HBA, have you thought buying a SAS expander?
AVTechMan's Avatar AVTechMan 02:30 AM 05-22-2013
I had previously asked this question in PM, for which I've gotten a good answer, but was suggested to post here to where I can get some more feedback on Flexraid's day-to-day use.


Currently now I have the small unRAID server I have been using for my media, but my rackmount server from Tams should be arriving today and I am contemplating on what to run on that system since that will be my new main media server.

I was considering trying out FlexRAID for myself to see how well it works, except in my case I am going to use it with WS2012E. A few questions I have are: how long have you had it running since putting your flexraid system together? Does it run stable on a 24/7 basis, and what OS are you using in conjunction with flexraid?

In reading some of the Flexraid wiki they have a cruise control mode where it hides all of the data drives and once added to the pool it combines into one drive letter. I would be curious if I could see the individual folder from the data drives in 'My Computer', especially when using it with the Mediabrowser configurator when I need to specify specific paths on where my media is when watching movies or TV shows.

I'll continue to do my research on Flexraid and learn more about it. Thanks for any feedback!
politby's Avatar politby 04:40 AM 05-22-2013
I am running Flexraid on 2012 Essentials. Rock solid. Current uptime is something like 32 days since the last Windows Update reboot.

It runs in cruise control mode, currently I have 16 drives in the pool, two 3TB parity drives.

It runs My Movies server, Plex, Squeezebox server, Oscam, Airvideo, my son's Minecraft server (in addition to all the usual Windows server stuff).

Why would you need to access the individual drives? Just create a Flexraid pool and organize your media into folders, e.g. V:\Movies, V:\Kids, etc. and point MB to them.
Elpee's Avatar Elpee 06:01 AM 05-22-2013
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In reading some of the Flexraid wiki they have a cruise control mode where it hides all of the data drives and once added to the pool it combines into one drive letter. I would be curious if I could see the individual folder from the data drives in 'My Computer', especially when using it with the Mediabrowser configurator when I need to specify specific paths on where my media is when watching movies or TV shows.

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That's true. After you setup Flexraid for your drives, all the drives are gone. You can only access to your individual folders (not drives) thru storage pool. mad.gif
It's a good setup for noobs who may mess up drives after Flexraid. But I know for sure, advanced users hate to see this.
If you really care of it, snapraid is your right choice. Go and try it! biggrin.gif
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 06:20 AM 05-22-2013
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Instead of adding a second HBA, have you thought buying a SAS expander?


I guess the answer is no. Lol
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 06:23 AM 05-22-2013
You can see individual drives in Flexraid. Just stop the pool. Lol. One drive turns into many.

Why would you need to see individual drives on a storage server ?
Elpee's Avatar Elpee 06:48 AM 05-22-2013
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You can see individual drives in Flexraid. Just stop the pool. Lol. One drive turns into many.
Sorry, but no way...
Using your pool, you can see folders in your drives. Once you stop the pool, you're blind again. In other words, nothing you can see in 'My Computer'.
Why do I need to see individual drives on a storage server. I want to control all my drives. Say, I just added some TV shows and movies I just ripped to the pool, but I don't know where exactly they are in my drives. How do I know I should yank which drive out from the pool, bring it to my friend house and watch it there?
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 07:41 AM 05-22-2013
Turn off pooling and access each drive.

But I'd copy to an external personally than yanking out and risking my server HDD.
Or copy to blank HDD in hot swap bay....

That how I roll.
politby's Avatar politby 07:51 AM 05-22-2013
Hey, I can see a debate coming... smile.gif

If you want to have individual drives, don't do pooling. Pooling is for those of us who don't want to keep track of individual drives.

I think you can get individual drive access by running Flexraid in custom mode.
Mfusick's Avatar Mfusick 07:58 AM 05-22-2013
Once you understand how Flexraid works its really not an issue. It keeps things organized in folders. Something you add into a folder would remain on a single drive containing that folder. Once that HDD is totally full it would make another folder named the same on another HDD that has most spare area. Your files are not thrown around randomly ....

Accessing individual drives isn't really an issue
acejh1987's Avatar acejh1987 11:37 AM 05-22-2013
Just use expert mode following this guide

This way each drive can still be accessed outside of the pool if needed, no need to stop the pool, just make sure you don't open the same file from the source drive and the pool at the same time.

I sometimes write directly to the source drives if I need data in a specific place, it shows up in the pool fine straight away.
facke02's Avatar facke02 01:30 PM 05-22-2013
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I am running Flexraid on 2012 Essentials. Rock solid. Current uptime is something like 32 days since the last Windows Update reboot.

I've found this to be the opposite on my WSE 2012 server. I had issues with FlexRAID and WSE Dashboard, like moving folders to the pool. Issues with security and the recycle bin. Yes, there is a hack for the RB but it isn't fool proof. The raid component worked perfectly, pooling gave me problems. I also used Expert mode to configure everything.
politby's Avatar politby 11:08 PM 05-22-2013
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I've found this to be the opposite on my WSE 2012 server. I had issues with FlexRAID and WSE Dashboard, like moving folders to the pool. Issues with security and the recycle bin. Yes, there is a hack for the RB but it isn't fool proof. The raid component worked perfectly, pooling gave me problems. I also used Expert mode to configure everything.

Odd. I have had zero issues. Maybe your problems have to do with Expert mode?
I also created all my shares in the pool from the WSE dashboard, not from within Flexraid.

I am not seeing the 100 MB/s transfer rates Mfusick is claiming, though.
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