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post #1 of 86 Old 12-03-2012, 09:03 PM - Thread Starter
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I wanted to share some interesting CPU reading I just did.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116877



http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3970x-sandy-bridge-e-benchmark,3348.html

Just read a pretty good write up about the new Intel CPU at Tom's Hardware. The benchmarks appear very impressive. It's just killing many of the CPU's people used to think are good. I guess it shows how fast PC hardware changes. I wonder if this is a taste of things to come with other brands?

It's interesting to read the best two performing CPU's use internal parts and gadgetry that are just not as good because they aren't sleeved. This appears to set them apart and ahead of the pack in performance.

The article also makes mention of a longer validation process for this Intel; that's certainly been an Achilles heal for other Intels and AMDs in the past having rushed previous models to market.


















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Complete waste of money, the 3770K/3770 are all you really need (look how close they get) unless your job really needs X79. Those processors and X79 itself are pointless server processors that Intel decided to chuck onto its processor lineup.
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Complete waste of money, the 3770K/3770 are all you really need (look how close they get) unless your job really needs X79. Those processors and X79 itself are pointless server processors that Intel decided to chuck onto its processor lineup.

It used to be that the people that really needed the high end cpu's were gamers, now they don't even benefit from the high end cpu's any more. The fact is a core i5 is still held back by $400-500 dollar graphics cards. As for HTPC's we don't need hardly any cpu muscle at all. I saw an article on LG designing ARM chips for smart TV's, these chips will be specifically designed to accelerate all popular video formats in a cheap low power chip. I think this is probably more the direction for media boxes.
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It used to be that the people that really needed the high end cpu's were gamers, now they don't even benefit from the high end cpu's any more. The fact is a core i5 is still held back by $400-500 dollar graphics cards. As for HTPC's we don't need hardly any cpu muscle at all. I saw an article on LG designing ARM chips for smart TV's, these chips will be specifically designed to accelerate all popular video formats in a cheap low power chip. I think this is probably more the direction for media boxes.

A Core i5 doesn't hold anything back. Not at 1200p, not at 1600p. Not a 680, not a 690.
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Complete waste of money, the 3770K/3770 are all you really need (look how close they get) unless your job really needs X79. Those processors and X79 itself are pointless server processors that Intel decided to chuck onto its processor lineup.

Agreed. Nothing has really compelled me to move my 2500K (@ 4.7Ghz) out of my gaming PC. There's just no point.

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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A Core i5 doesn't hold anything back. Not at 1200p, not at 1600p. Not a 680, not a 690.

He didn't say that. Read again. He said $400-500 GPU's hold a Core i5 back. He never said anything the vice versa.

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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Nothing new, i7-3970X, 3.5GHz/4.0GHz 6C/12T, is just a higher clocked version of i7-3960X, 3.3GHz/3.9GHz 6C/12T, released in November 14, 2011.

Personally I recommend Core i7-3930K, 3.2GHz/3.8GHz 6C/12T, $583 (also released in November 14, 2011), that can be overclocked very well. Spend your money wisely.

These Sandy Bridge-E processors will be replaced by Ivy Bridge-E in Q3 2013.
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I'm sorry... I think I missed the point of this post. What does a $1000 CPU have to do with HTPCs? biggrin.gif


No, but seriously, what was the point of this? Is it to laud the abilities of the 3770K to keep up with top-end CPUs?
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I can just imagine putting this into an office box, inside a $500 motherboard and a $500 custom case with 64GB of 2400MHz RAM, just to check my emails. Tablet? Pffft, LGA 2011 IS IT!
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This is a joke right????
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No, it is not. AVS is not a PC place. It is literally a site devoted to "Audio Video Science".
In the past this is what has made AVS stand out among the crowd and quite frankly what makes it so unique in a sea of other "PC" forums. As I stated before the denotation of this forum as clearly being a "HTPC" forum is obviously missed or just not appreciated by all.
While this type of thread would be met with "Ooohs and Aaahs" over at some of the PC forums here it is merely a yawn as quite frankly its not really that relevant to HTPC.
With that being said I am not saying it doesn't belong. Just don't be surprised when despite a 30-50% benchmark improvement it doesn't really translate to the forum where it was posted.

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Maybe somebody wants true dual PCI Express 3.0 x16 in CFX/SLI for up to 10% performance increase in his gaming HTPC or even 3/4-way CFX/SLI, or wants to build a HTPC+workstation or a server+workstation.
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Or maybe someone wants to take a poke at Mfusick

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So, serious question. What is the real world application for this? Where would you NEED this? When is it justified?

 

 

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So, serious question. What is the real world application for this? Where would you NEED this? When is it justified?

Encoding Blu-Ray, anything to do with rendering. It will rip through it the fastest, especially if every second counts.

That being said, I follow a simple guideline to buying CPU's: If its basic like a HTPC or office box, get an i3, get an i7 for everything else. You'll never run out of CPU puff that way. Unless you can afford LGA 2011 and X79, then by all means, get that.
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So, serious question. What is the real world application for this? Where would you NEED this? When is it justified?

In pure video playback, there are quite a few demanding Avisynth scripts that would benefit from high-performance processors. Outside video playback, there are tons of applications.
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So, serious question. What is the real world application for this? Where would you NEED this? When is it justified?

Basically if you had lots of money and wanted to build a super beasty PC. Usually either serious gaming like Crysis3 at max settings or a workstation where you needed the PCI lanes.

Renethx explained it well above:
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Maybe somebody wants true dual PCI Express 3.0 x16 in CFX/SLI for up to 10% performance increase in his gaming HTPC or even 3/4-way CFX/SLI, or wants to build a HTPC+workstation or a server+workstation.

But obviously Assassin is poking fun at me because a $150 SSD is way too excessive to be discussed in this forum. It's not appropriate.

But more than a few veterans jumped into a thread about a thousand dollar CPU and are interested in actually discussing it even though its purposefully exaggerated and a joke.

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But more than a few veterans jumped into a thread about a thousand dollar CPU and are interested in actually discussing it even though its purposefully exaggerated and a joke.

They absolutely did no such thing. Quite the contrary.
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This is a joke right????

Its currently one of the fastest and most expensive CPUs out there and it has great benchmarks that are better than most of the other CPUs that people are using.

So it must be the "BEST", correct? I don't care if this is a HTPC ---- people should be considering this for installation into the new HTPCs. It should be discussed and deserves its own thread and anyone taking issue with it is obviously biased or flat out just can't read.
















Seems about as appropriate and valid as a thread with a marginally faster real world SSD that costs 2-3x more than "current" SSDs for HTPC use.
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Sandy Bridge-E is not new for 2013 - it's been around since earlier this year. Yes, this "extreme edition" model is somewhat new, but so what? It's just a higher clocked version of the same thing. The primary reason for going with socket 2011 is a higher core count and increased memory/pci-e bandwidth. Honestly, SB-E is a bit of an anomaly, since the role it fills is more traditionally served by Xeon processors in workstations. If I found myself needing more than 4 cores/8 threads, 32GB of memory, or 16 PCI-E lanes, I would rather go with a workstation-class motherboard and Xeon processor due to having a better support infrastructure, improved stability, and higher core count options for similar prices.

SB-E is going to be replaced by Ivy Bridge-E (same socket) at some point during 2013, but that just brings higher clocks, lower power consumption, and slightly improved performance per clock. More than likely, Haswell (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6355/intels-haswell-architecture) is going to offer superior single-threaded performance and much lower power consumption when it arrives later spring/early summer next year. Outside of the most memory intensive or highly-threaded applications, there just isn't any benefit to these processors for the great majority of workloads (including high-end gaming).
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Its currently one of the fastest and most expensive CPUs out there and it has great benchmarks that are better than most of the other CPUs that people are using.
So it must be the "BEST", correct?.

There are processors that are a lot more expensive and faster in highly threaded applications (and slower in lightly threaded applications): Intel Xeon E5-2600 / E5-4600 series server/workstation processors. E.g. Xeon E5-2690 2.9GHz/3.8GHz 8C/16T 135W LGA 2011, $2057, (designed for dual processor C606 chipset systems, but it also works with many X79 mb as well).

For a uniprocessor workstation, Core i7-3970X is perhaps the best choice in pure performance, and Core i7-3930K is the best in performance+cost.
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Will it play a 2 hour movie in 30 seconds? biggrin.gif Maybe that's the next step in computing -- getting our brain I/O to match the PC's I/O. RIght now the brain I/O is too slow.

 

 

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Sandy Bridge-E is not new for 2013 - it's been around since earlier this year. Yes, this "extreme edition" model is somewhat new, but so what?
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There are processors that are a lot more expensive and faster in highly threaded applications (and slower in lightly threaded applications): Intel Xeon E5-2600 / E5-4600 series server/workstation processors. E.g. Xeon E5-2690 2.9GHz/3.8GHz 8C/16T 135W LGA 2011, $2057

Gotcha. Faster. More expensive. Newer. So that one is the "best" then?

Should I make a new thread for this CPU? I wouldn't want to confuse anyone browsing this forum as to which one is the "best". We need to make sure we are crystal clear on this as this is a PC forum and this needs to be discussed.

Also, does anyone have 20-30 benchmarks for this CPU that I can post? I prefer to post only those that show the $2000 CPU as the "best". If its listed as second "best" on any of them I am not interested.

And if you disagree you can't read. Or are biased. Or have a vendetta against Intel. Or are sexist as I am pretty sure this CPU was designed by women given the packaging.

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Gotcha. Faster. More expensive. Newer. So that one is the "best" then?
Should I make a new thread for this CPU? I wouldn't want to confuse anyone browsing this forum as to which one is the "best". We need to make sure we are crystal clear on this as this is a PC forum and this needs to be discussed.
Also, does anyone have 20-30 benchmarks for this CPU that I can post? I prefer to post only those that show the $2000 CPU as the "best". If its listed as second "best" on any of them I am not interested.
And if you disagree you can't read. Or are biased. Or have a vendetta against Intel. Or are sexist as I am pretty sure this CPU was designed by women given the packaging.

So I see two possibilities here. Either you're intentionally trying to troll us by being obtuse, or this isn't actually Assassin.

If this actually is Assassin, and you're trying to make some kind of point, you're only managing to look like a jackass in the process.
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What's the problem? Isn't this a pc forum? Or do you take issue with discussing these type of obviously overkill products? No need for name calling.

Since AVS is apparently turning into a regular PC forum we should be open to discuss any and all PC products and not just what's best for HTPC.

Or at least that's what I have been told. I don't see how this thread is any different than some of the others on here lately. In fact, I only find it slightly more ridiculous thus far.

Edit: Also, maybe you can't take a joke?
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So I see two possibilities here. Either you're intentionally trying to troll us by being obtuse, or this isn't actually Assassin.
If this actually is Assassin, and you're trying to make some kind of point, you're only managing to look like a jackass in the process.

It's because he took offense to the post I made about the new Vector SSD @$149. I guess he felt it was too expensive or high end as to be appropriate for discussion, and took offense to the thread.

But the gap between that new SSD launch at $150 and a $1000 CPU that requires LGA2011 motherboard for another $500 is a bit of a reach IMO.

I understand the point he is trying to make- but I think he's doing it wrong. There are shades of grey here and certainly this post is a much darker shade intentionally as to be excessive in it's inappropriateness.

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It's because he took offense to the post I made about the new Vector SSD @$149. I guess he felt it was too expensive or high end as to be appropriate for discussion, and took offense to the thread.
But the gap between that new SSD launch at $150 and a $1000 CPU that requires LGA2011 motherboard for another $500 is a bit of a reach IMO.
I understand the point he is trying to make- but I think he's doing it wrong. There are shades of grey here and certainly this post is a much darker shade intentionally as to be excessive in it's inappropriateness.

You are partly correct.

Read the thread again.

www.avsforum.com/t/1441895/new-vector-ssd-looks-very-interesting-is-this-the-best-new-ssd-for-2013

You asked a question and I answered it with my personal opinion. No, I do not think a $160 ssd that is literally twice as expensive as very good $80 ocz/Samsung/crucial/Intel ssd is the "best" ssd in a htpc forum.

Then you actually took issue with me questioning the $160 (twice as expensive) ssd as possibly not being the "best" choice for a htpc forum. (Btw I feel the same way about the overpriced for htpc Samsung pro ssd)

Pretty ironic given your above comments.
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Side note was interesting that PC geeks actually like to talk about this stuff. And in a PC forum even if it's a "HTPC" forum your going to have PC geeks. Take those away and this forum goes to crap real quick. Noob often do not contribute well and certainly it's the people posting in this thread that make AVS enjoyable for me. Joke or no Joke, the people posting in this thread are a good example of what makes AVS good IMO. I think Asassin's fear this is going to turn into overclockers is a bit misplaced.

Have you ever been into the dedicated theater build forum?

Now that's some crazy shiznits.

$1.5million custom theaters. Certainly those might want a top end HTPC to match the $50,000 Runco Projector and $250,000 Audio system. Yes this is Audio Video Science. But hasn't these forums always been about pushing the limits of technology and capabilities?

I have been around here longer than anyone in the HTPC forum probably. (1999 then 2002 with this user name)
I can remember talking about ISF calibration on rear projection TV's before HDTV came out. A lot has changed since then.

Every forum here has talk about high end projectors, high end audio, high end displays, speakers... entire custom theater builds... even $2500 remote controls !!!! eek.gif

I'm not sure why it's not ok to talk about a $150 SSD with great performance like Samsung840PRO or a Vector. It seems appropriate to me. Certainly more appropriate than this thread. I think Assassin is over-reacting a bit.
I won't criticize him any further since I respect him and think he's a big part of what makes this forum great. I think this thread is cheek in tongue, and his intentional absurdity is the point he's trying to make.

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I think this thread is cheek in tongue, and his intentional absurdity is the point he's trying to make.

Ding! Ding! Winner!

Just wanted to point out how absurd a Htpc forum could get if we let it. And we shouldn't, imo.

Imo, the htpc-centric nature of this htpc forum at avs is what gives it it's strength. Lose that and you will lose a lot of people. Because agree or not this place is not comparable to the other pc forums out there. Nor should it pretend or want to be as that's not it's place in the tech world.

Long live avs htpc! smile.gif
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