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The Sapphire Radeon Vapor-X HD 7770 offered a $15 rebate with documentation. I sent what they asked for and they posted my documentation. However, they show my invoice folded to fit in the envelop therefore not readable and they claimed I did not send an invoice. Has anyone else received notification that their documentation was incomplete when it was in order?
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I just sent mine in last week and I'm still waiting to get the acceptance e-mail. I always make backup copies of rebate forms, receipts, and bar code labels just for this purpose. Rebate processors will bounce your rebate for even the slightest variation of their requirements so you really have to read the fine print and make sure you've dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's. A lot of them specifically require that you cut the shipping address label from the printed form and attach it to the envelope or they will not accept it, even though it still gets delivered to the proper address.
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Yes I have copies of everything. However, they waited until the deadline for submission passed to lie to me. I did resubmit the invoice by email over a week ago and got no response.

You can tell I am ticked off by these promised rebates that are never sent.
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Is there any gain, htpc wise, to go from a 6750 to a 7750?
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The Sapphire Radeon Vapor-X HD 7770 offered a $15 rebate with documentation. I sent what they asked for and they posted my documentation. However, they show my invoice folded to fit in the envelop therefore not readable and they claimed I did not send an invoice. Has anyone else received notification that their documentation was incomplete when it was in order?

I actually received my $15 rebate, it seems like I only end up getting about half of them.
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Being able to use Intel HD Graphics (you can't with P67 chipset) is a prerequisite to being able to use Intel Quick Sync video decoder with AMD/NVIDIA discrete cards, of course. (The main reason to use IVB decoder is 4K video decoding.)

But I though IVB can't actually send a 4k signal out.
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But I though IVB can't actually send a 4k signal out.

Even then, need to decode it before you can downscale it.
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But I though IVB can't actually send a 4k signal out.

IVB QS (decoder) + AMD/NVIDIA GPU (post-processor + HDMI/DP transmitter). Anything wrong?

BTW IVB can output 4K via 4 x DP to 4 x FHD display (Intel Collage display technology, similar to AMD EyeFinity technology), but can't output 4k to a single 4K display. Haswell supports 4K output over a single DP 1.2 or HDMI 1.4a connector, finally.
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Renethx,

Thank for recommending the Sapphire Radeon Vapor-X HD 7770. I got one on your advice to replace the GT440 I used with my Core 2 Duo e2180/P45 system, and can now run MPC-HC with LAV / MadVR at the highest quality settings without any issue smile.gif. This is a great cost and time effective upgrade, as I'm not sure what more I'd get with a more recent system besides using less power/generating a bit less heat.

The card is really quiet in practice, making less noise than my SEASONIC S12II-430W, which is by far the noisiest component in my HTPC (care of a passively cooled CPU).

Besides the recommended settings for MPC-HC, the LAV filters and MadVR, as there some adjustments recommended to the Catalyst driver settings to get the best of this setup?
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Hello, the intel HD 4000 can play 1080p video with high bitrates in a smooth way using mpc with shaders( like sharpen complex 2...), the intel HD4500 in my old notebook can't, it always freeze with squares.Or i need a discrete videocard like 7770
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I've been debating this for a long time now. In fact since the IVB launch date, which is when I got my Core I5 3570K. I've been thinking of selling the i5 and going for a i3 3225 and use HD7770 or HD7790 (Radeon card has served me well for my htpc needs more than the GeForce cards). My only debate is choosing b/w 7770 & 7790, especially because I like playing my videos with jinc 4tap + AR.currently my setup stutters a lot with HD4000, hence, I've been resorting to softcubic 75.l (+ AR, I guess). Longevity is my main concern, at least 2 years. So which one would be better 7770 or 7790??
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I'm not sure what you mean by longevity. The 7770 should continue to work with the current settings and you hardware. Of course, if Madshi or someone else comes with a better solution in the near future, all bets are off, and this solution may improve on the excellent results one can already get today.

The 7790 does have a little bit more headroom, but this may not be sufficient, costs more money and power and makes more noise (I presume).

In the end, this is a very personal choice. My own approach has been to try to find the lowest cost solution which delivers the best possible quality (which is why I haven't moved to Core Ix processors, although I may have to bite the bullet and replace my e3400/P45DE/DDR2 at some point)
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I just replaced my e7200 setup with an AMD A10-6700 and am happy with it.
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I've been debating this for a long time now. In fact since the IVB launch date, which is when I got my Core I5 3570K. I've been thinking of selling the i5 and going for a i3 3225 and use HD7770 or HD7790 (Radeon card has served me well for my htpc needs more than the GeForce cards). My only debate is choosing b/w 7770 & 7790, especially because I like playing my videos with jinc 4tap + AR.currently my setup stutters a lot with HD4000, hence, I've been resorting to softcubic 75.l (+ AR, I guess). Longevity is my main concern, at least 2 years. So which one would be better 7770 or 7790??

All this really depends on use case. 1080i or 720P cablecard content with madVR is better on the 7790 and even better on a 650 Ti Boost. I have been through that progression and I mostly watch live TV in JRivers MC with madVR both OTA and Cable. OTA the 7770 works fine at high quality levels. The Ceton is another matter.

Rene will say otherwise but I don't know if he is using cablecard or if he is on Verizon or Comcast. There is some overhead there on cablecard and at least with Comcast you can fight frame repeats and drops with the ATI Cards. Or, at least I did. No problem with the NVidia.

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I've been debating this for a long time now. In fact since the IVB launch date, which is when I got my Core I5 3570K. I've been thinking of selling the i5 and going for a i3 3225 and use HD7770 or HD7790 (Radeon card has served me well for my htpc needs more than the GeForce cards). My only debate is choosing b/w 7770 & 7790, especially because I like playing my videos with jinc 4tap + AR.currently my setup stutters a lot with HD4000, hence, I've been resorting to softcubic 75.l (+ AR, I guess). Longevity is my main concern, at least 2 years. So which one would be better 7770 or 7790??

Jinc4+AR is worse than Jinc3+AR (more ringing, more taxing for GPU). smile.gif 7770 is sufficient for Jinc3+AR / Jinc3+AR (Level 5). 7790 has more room (by ~40%), but if madshi adds more demanding algorithms in future, there is no guarantee that even 7790 is enough.

In case you are interested in SVP+madVR,

- Core i3+HD 7770 can do SVP level 4g + madVR Level 5
- Core i5+HD 7770 can do SVP level 5g + madVR Level 5
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All this really depends on use case. 1080i or 720P cablecard content with madVR is better on the 7790 and even better on a 650 Ti Boost. I have been through that progression and I mostly watch live TV in JRivers MC with madVR both OTA and Cable. OTA the 7770 works fine at high quality levels. The Ceton is another matter.

Rene will say otherwise but I don't know if he is using cablecard or if he is on Verizon or Comcast. There is some overhead there on cablecard and at least with Comcast you can fight frame repeats and drops with the ATI Cards. Or, at least I did. No problem with the NVidia.

Do you see a difference between live TV and recordings? As you never post a sample clip, I can't comment on this further. smile.gif
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Do you see a difference between live TV and recordings? As you never post a sample clip, I can't comment on this further. smile.gif

First free moments that I can manage, I will play back some content recorded in WMC and see how that goes.

I will get around to putting a clip up at some point. Honestly, I am pretty time constrained time wise. I have no idea how much time you spend here but you amaze me with the quantity, quality, of your communication. To a lot of us you are kind of mythical working on legendary..

Honestly I hate the JRiver TV interface but I will record something in it and see how it plays back as well.... I do think the faster cards are just creating some extra bandwidth that allows for some timing delays in the Ceton process in JR. True, it is speculation on my part.. I am taking care of my elderly mom, and trying to get her home emptied out and sold. There is a class coming to an end next week that has stolen a good bit of my time. So maybe next week or the week after I should have lots more time. I am pretty much exclusively using JR for Live TV at this point, playback with the 650 Ti Boost SC is good and I have turned off the madVR OSD... because the only dropped repeated frames with that card are at the beginning of playback. I could not say that with ATI, they would continue to climb, relatively more repeated and dropped frames with the 7770, OTA and madVR was perfect with all 3 cards.

MadVR does weird things sometimes and I have not been keeping up with the hourly updates. I am hoping in a couple of weeks they will finally solidify the 3D LUT calibrations with that. So maybe I will have more value to add than my usual, the faster card is better obviousness I have offered so far. Maybe I can sort out why.

do know JR is not that helpful. I am not in the inner circle over there. Jim over there takes umbrage with me when I post just about anything. When I seek answers or report problems he thinks I am assaulting the franchise. Oh well!

Maybe as early as this weekend I can at least report of recorded material. I will record when madVR is playing back Ceton and the same content recorded from another tuner without..

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Jinc4+AR is worse than Jinc3+AR (more ringing, more taxing for GPU). smile.gif 7770 is sufficient for Jinc3+AR / Jinc3+AR (Level 5). 7790 has more room (by ~40%), but if madshi adds more demanding algorithms in future, there is no guarantee that even 7790 is enough.

In case you are interested in SVP+madVR,

- Core i3+HD 7770 can do SVP level 4g + madVR Level 5
- Core i5+HD 7770 can do SVP level 5g + madVR Level 5

Thx for the reply Rene!! I was looking at your guide the other day and only found links for SnB-E ad the latest updates! is there any other updates that includes Haswell?? I would love buy your 4 months subscription if you could point me with a link. I think I'll end up getting a HD 7770 GE.

I don't watch any cable TV only FHD 1080p movies.

One thing I would like to know is whether anyone is using Sapphire HD 7770 with a UEFI BOOT environment.
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I have a 1440p monitor which I use to watch Blu-ray and DVDs. I use Bicubic-75AR for chroma upsaling and Lanczos 3AR for image upscaling in MadVR, tried Jinc3AR but Intel HD4600 (from 4770k) couldn't handle it. With the recently added NNEDI, I again wonder if I should get a dedicated graphics because it turns movies into slideshows. biggrin.gif
It looks like most people here choose AMD card, why not nVidia?
My second question is will a card like GTX 760 max out MadVR?
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What Catalyst settings are recommended? like should i enable dynamic range or brighter whites? There is also GPU scaling and alternate DVI mode. I sometimes get this weird artifact, a noise horizontal line in the middle of the video that flashes, it goes away when i restart MPC.
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You can check these threads out: See if they can answer your questions.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1277692/ati-catalyst-settings-questions
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1312498/ati-hdmi-recommended-settings

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