I am waiting with baited breath for a full windows 8 tablet that will support miracast (or something similar).
Although might have to settle for 5.1 LPCM audio even then I am also interested in the next few revisions of intel graphics. Looks like it is catching up discrete graphics quite well. (I dont expect it to catch up entirely ofc )
Yes they are expensive as htpcs, but offer way more than the average box in your lounge
HD4000 is imo is already good enough for most casual players. Of course, there is room for improvement.
I carry mine everywhere with me, battery is 5-6 hour for me for most things, and extremely fast.
best purchase in a long time.
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I was about to bridge my infinitv4 but I found that it cannot be done with Windows 8.
Is there a way to treat it as an extender for tv access.... I use pled for everything else
Have you tried one of the HDHomeRun devices like the Prime? They don't have to be plugged into the computer instead they just have to be on the network. I feel like this option would work, although I can't comment on how it plays over a wireless connection.
HD Homerun should work, it is supported by Media Center.
I use DVBlink (dvblogic.com) with MediaCenter on my Lenovo Ideapad Lynx as a client. Works great. Unfortunately limited support for NA users.
My biggest concern is the "lack" of ethernet (though a usb ethernet adapter can be used) as wireless can be iffy in some locations and the mini displayport and the built-in display being hdcp compliant for WMC but often with displayport a restore down then back to maximize will allow protected content to play but some still have problems..
I have a htpc with a infinitv4 built in and a surface pro. I went to cetons website to get info on how to assign the tuners to the network which it looks as if they refer to it as bridging. They also note that this is not compatible with windows 8. Just windows 7.
After installing the upgrade on my Surface Pro (original Surface Pro, not the Surface Pro 2), I found that once again I had lost HD audio codecs (DTS-HD and Dolby TrueHD) in the Windows 8.1 Sound Control Panel. When connected via HDMI to an AV Receiver that supports the formats, the Windows Sound Control Panel does NOT list the HD codecs under the Properties > Supported Formats tab.
As you can read in previous messages, after some running around I previously tried downloading the HD 4000 graphic/audio driver direct from Intel's site, and after installing, the HD codecs were available (which was great news) and worked wonderfully when playing back material with HD audio. I figured I would try the same thing again after installing Windows 8.1, which of course overwrote my installation with their default driver.
1) The link in my original message to the manual download of the driver reports a Page Not Found error
2) The automated tool on Intel's website for analyzing your computer for possible driver updates is not able to identify the Surface and so cannot provide any driver updates automatically (not surprised by this)
3) Intel's website DOES allow users to manually navigate to current driver software for their graphic device, so I found the new location for the HD 4000 driver and saw that they even had a Windows 8.1 version available (posted on 10/17/13, about a week after this message was written.)
Unfortunately, and here's the bad news, after downloading and trying to install both the .EXE and .ZIP versions of the driver from Intel, the installer reports an immediate error of "The driver being installed is not validated for this computer. Please obtain the appropriate driver from the computer manufacturer. Setup will exit."
So, it appears that Microsoft has not only continued to inexplicably "turn off" support for HD audio codecs in their implementation of the HD 4000 driver, but they have now taken steps (perhaps inadvertently) to prevent users from easily installing the original reference drivers from Intel directly.
Someone may be able to figure out a "trick" for fooling the installer into working on a Surface (perhaps by modifying one of the .INI files), but that's beyond me to figure out, and it doesn't bode well for future driver updates that DO come from Microsoft.
And HD audio codecs are such a niche / hard-core enthusiast subject, that I'm afraid any attempts to contact Microsoft technical support regarding the matter won't do any good, it's just not something they're going to cover in their support database. The first time I tried (as you can read in the original messages) Microsoft tech support actually suggested I take up the question with Intel, and their tech support are the ones who eventually pointed me to manually installing their driver the first time.
I did also originally reach out to Panos Panay (Surface Product Manager) about the issue, and surprisingly he did respond and said he would look into the issue, but that was back shortly following the launch of the original Surface Pro almost a year ago, and I did not hear back from him (though I'm sure he receives hundreds of emails a day, and was quite busy at that time.) Maybe I'll try emailing him again unless someone figures out a different approach.
I thought I had the same problem with my surface pro I, but eventually MPC-HC solved everything for me.
Install it, run it, go to options/internal filters, click audio decoder, and check everything under "bistreaming".
I use a minidisplayport>hdmi cable plugged to a yamaha rxv673 : the amp receives every format when I use this configuration, including DTS-HD and DOLBY TRUE HD.
I couldn't believe it because I lost the "spdif" option in VLC since I "upgraded" to windows 8.1, and since then my amp received nothing but PCM from the Surface, but there it is, working fine, thanks to MPC-HC! ;)
If/when Microsoft ever restores this functionality to the Surface and/or Windows 8.1, the computer would be able to handle the decoding without 3rd-party software like MPC-HC, which not everyone is going to use in their playback system.
Glad you found a workaround! But I'll hold out hope that Microsoft and the Surface team will address the issue, which to me remains inexplicable.
• I've confirmed that grabuzor's approach of using MPC-HC's LAV Filters will decode the audio at the player level, and pass the signal onto an AV receiver. My Denon displays "Multi In" with this method, meaning it's receiving an already-decoded signal from the playback source. Can't tell with 100% certainty that it's playing back the DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD soundtrack though (as opposed to regular Dolby or DTS tracks) since the Denon doesn't "see" those formats if the sound is sent to it already decoded (i.e. the Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD 'lights' don't appear on the AV receiver.)
• I've tried playing back a Blu-ray disc direct from a USB-attached Blu-ray drive, but had no success on Windows 8. I tried the hacks available for VLC 2 to get it to play Blu-ray discs but to no avail. I also tried a trial edition of Corel's WinDVD Pro 11 (which presumably has licensed the HD audio codecs and includes them) but inexplicably get an error "Plaback with current display driver is not supported" on the Surface Pro! And that's not a rabbit-hole I'm interested in going down to try to find a fix for.
Edit: I had better luck with disc-based playback using a trial of CyberLink's PowerDVD instead. I was able to play back a Blu-ray direct from disc, and as expected it also caused the "Multi In" to fire on my Denon AVR, so it's sending a decoded signal, but same as MPC-HC, can't tell for sure if it's sending the HD audio or just standard.
• Hankori's note is interesting that the Surface Pro 2 has seemingly properly-enabled TrueHD and DTS-HD drivers… perhaps they set those drivers up correctly at the factory for the new generation of hardware? Now if they'd just patch the system software for us lowly original Surface Pro owners.
got any further with fixing the bitstreaming on surface pro 1? I am considering picking 1 up since the price is so low now.
From my understanding you used to be able to load the drivers manually, but since upgradiong to windows 8.1 you cant any more and the standard surface drivers dont support bitstreaming HD audio?
I havent seen an update on this issue so am wondering if there is any work around?
I haven't changed anything in my setup since my last post, so I can only assume that a recent hardware/firmware update (which I update to religiously) has resolved the issue. Since I haven't changed anything or done anything differently, I can't post any steps or directions that might help out, but fingers crossed hopefully it will "just work" at this point.
Have you come accross any negatives after your year or so of use? Especially any relating to htpc use?
I have picked 1 up for £405 (128gb), same price as a 16gb ipad air! Like a kid before xmas now
... since my last post I recently tried connecting the Surface 1 to my AV Receiver, and it DOES now show the HD/lossless audio codecs!
...I've confirmed that grabuzor's approach of using MPC-HC's LAV Filters will decode the audio at the player level, and pass the signal onto an AV receiver. My Denon displays "Multi In" with this method, meaning it's receiving an already-decoded signal from the playback source. Can't tell with 100% certainty that it's playing back the DTS-HD or Dolby TrueHD soundtrack though (as opposed to regular Dolby or DTS tracks) since the Denon doesn't "see" those formats if the sound is sent to it already decoded (i.e. the Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD 'lights' don't appear on the AV receiver.)
So to be clear, you simply installed the sourceforge MPC-HC media player, and you now get the HD sound via HDMI to your receiver? Is that just via the MPC-HC media player or does the Windows Media Center (and others) video playback pick up those codecs as well?
@Gary.ds, yes, this is just with a standard MPC-HC installation. I haven't tried any other player (such as WMC native).