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I agree with Mfusick. If you are sticking with the 16:9 screen and have the ability to place the projector just where you need to be properly centered on the screen, no worries.

Lens shift is important when you can't place the projector at the right height and then need to use lens shift to adjust the image vs. using keystone adjustment which negatively impacts the image.
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Panasonic is LCD and a bit more money. But it's a good choice against the 5020 /8350

What's budget ? What's your room set up ?

I'd appreciate a brighter projector in a living room and a higher contrast projector on a dedicated theater.

It's been a few years since I've done some serious research on projectors and I in fact use an Epson projector, (don't ask it's dated, but still throws an awesome image wink.gif ), but I did look up the specs on the Epson's that you mention and those are also LCD.

In fact when I did my research, Epson was and probably still is a big supplier of projector parts to quite a few of the Projector companies out there including Panasonic. I believe the LCD panels are from Epson, just fyi.
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I'm not sure he needs features of Panny or he wants spend that much $

I know Assassin appreciates value smile.gif
HD25 is amazing 1080p 3D value in DLP
3020 is brightest punchiest image under $1800.

I'd take a 3020 over 8350 for non dedicated theater.

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I can understand that and agree with your statements.

Wishing I was in the position to get a new projector, as it is my living room set is starting to go so that takes priority if anything.

It's amazing what you are able to get in a projector these days for a relatively fair price. When 1080P projectors were first starting to come out it was $10,000.00 out the gate. Heck even some 720p projectors were that price when they first came out as well.
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http://www.projectorcentral.com/optoma_hd25_home_theater_projector_review.htm

I would read that review and give consideration to getting 90% of the performance for under $999.

The Pansonic 8000 or the 5020 Epson would be really nice - But also $2500+

If I knew the budget and set up I could be more specific in the model choices. So much options eek.gif

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I can understand that and agree with your statements.

Wishing I was in the position to get a new projector, as it is my living room set is starting to go so that takes priority if anything.

It's amazing what you are able to get in a projector these days for a relatively fair price. When 1080P projectors were first starting to come out it was $10,000.00 out the gate. Heck even some 720p projectors were that price when they first came out as well.

My dad just replaced his INfocus 7210 (early 720p model for $5000) with an Epson 3020 and it's way better biggrin.gif

I remember my first projector (Infocus X1) was only VGA 800x600. It did nice 480p for DVD before HD was big. Then 720p. Then 1080p. Then 3D. Soon 4k wink.gif

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It is going in a dedicated theater that's in the basement. No windows and no light issues.

Ceiling is flat black, walls are dark slate gray, trim will be black. Also all outlets and switches will be black. Using an Elite Screens 120" AT fixed screen. All speakers are in-walls (7.1). Using an Onkyo 818 7.2 receiver and my old Paradigm 12" powered subwoofer.

Budget is $1000 - $2500 (if I sold a kidney)

So with this additional info does it change your recommendation?
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It is going in a dedicated theater that's in the basement. No windows and no light issues.

Ceiling is flat black, walls are dark slate gray, trim will be black. Also all outlets and switches will be black. Using an Elite Screens 120" AT fixed screen. All speakers are in-walls (7.1). Using an Onkyo 818 7.2 receiver and my old Paradigm 12" powered subwoofer.



Budget is $1000 - $2500 (if I sold a kidney)

So with this additional info does it change your recommendation?


This is good news and good to hear. You can appreciate the higher contrast of a better model. wink.gif

I don't think you will need to sell a kidney either biggrin.gif


$ 999 :
Optoma HD25 for $999 Nothing even comes close. It's as good as the next level up IMO.
$1500 : Epson8350 or (Optoma HD33 is good option too here)
$2500 : Epson 5020 or Panny PT-AE8000

The Epson is available cheaper in the 3020 and 5020 if you don't need wireless HD ($300 more)

If your budget is tight I would not be scared at all saying go with the HD25 given your circumstances. It's pretty freaking awesome for $999.

I'd make a chart with real world light output and features and weigh what is important. Given your dark theater and good light control, black ceiling and dark walls you don't need a super light canon. Your going to get a great picture with anything I put above.

My ISF certified installer friend is selling his JVC with all the extras (Lense, extra 3D glasses etc.. ) He's asking in your budget, and is an authorized dealer. It's his personal machine, and over $6000+ new. It's nearly new. I think he wants inside your budget so PM if your interested, and I will link his website. I think doing so here is against forum rules. That's a pretty bad assed set up IMO for that price you are getting into high end territory. A worthy option instead of the Panny or 5020 IMO, with a lot less risk than a normal "used" or open box purchase.

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What about the Panasonic 7000? It is $2000 and very well reviewed.
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Very bright, nice features and a bit older design. If you needed the features or the light output I'd say do it. I don't see where you need either for your set up so I'd take a $1200 or less 8350 or HD65 on the value end and I'd just step up to the 8000 or 5020 if you really wanted something awesome. But that's just me- I tend to go one direction or the other and the Panny is decidedly in the middle.

You'll be happy with any of them, including the 7000 panny. Have you owned a projector before? Or seen many in a proper set up ?

Your comparing a i3 2100 to a i3 3225 tongue.gif Something a normal person is not going to notice much difference with.

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Very bright, nice features and a bit older design. If you needed the features or the light output I'd say do it. I don't see where you need either for your set up so I'd take a $1200 or less 8350 or HD65 on the value end and I'd just step up to the 8000 or 5020 if you really wanted something awesome. But that's just me- I tend to go one direction or the other and the Panny is decidedly in the middle.

You'll be happy with any of them, including the 7000 panny. Have you owned a projector before? Or seen many in a proper set up ?

Your comparing a i3 2100 to a i3 3225 tongue.gif Something a normal person is not going to notice much difference with.

I have setup three DIY home theaters for friends in the last 2-3 years and 2 of them used the Epson 8350. I have never owned a projector personally so some of the extra "5-10%" might be lost on me.

This is mainly for watching movies with the family and the occasional big sporting event. I also have a Panasonic 65" and 50" plasma upstairs (both will have dedicated HTPCs connected via Cat6 to my server).
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You'll be very impressed with any of them. 8350 is actually old by today standards. Considering your superior light control and black ceiling I think you'll really be happy. I put a black sheet on my ceiling to see what it would do and the results blew me away. Better picture and way better sound. I'm sold on that now.

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You'll be very impressed with any of them. 8350 is actually old by today standards. Considering your superior light control and black ceiling I think you'll really be happy. I put a black sheet on my ceiling to see what it would do and the results blew me away. Better picture and way better sound. I'm sold on that now.

Yeah, I know its old. But it is literally half the price of some of the other options out there and still delivers a very good 1080p picture, no? And we aren't talking $200 vs $400 --- We are talking $1300 vs $2600. That's a lot of difference and money I could spend elsewhere right now.

This decision is killing me!
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Oh I did not mean to insult it. (the 8350) It's a great value @ $1200. That's the point. Projectors like the HD25 that have a $1899 MSRP but sell all day long online for $949 are just changing the value arena in projectors these days. I remember when the 8350 was more $$$ wink.gif It's still as good as it ever was- but now it just costs less today than before. That's a good thing.

With something like a HD25 you are getting about 90% performance for less than 50% of the cost. You can literally buy the new model in a year or two years when it comes out @ $1500 with the cash left over from getting the HD25 now and end up spending the same on both. That's an easy way to justify upgrading in a couple years if you wanted. I doubt you'll really need to do it as the budget models are pretty excellent IMO. It's the point of diminishing returns with this stuff.

Given your great light control- no ambient light, black ceiling, Grey walls - and your super easy standard set up of 15' throw and 120" screen you don't need any advanced features, or super light output to get a really great image. That makes your selection wide open and cheaper for you. In your set up they will all look amazing. Can you tell the difference between an i3 2100, an i3 3225, and an i3 3320 ?? That's what your dealing with here. You can get the i3 2100 with HD2000 grapics for $79 (like you did biggrin.gif ) or you can spend $140 on new egg for the better one with HD4000 graphics. Yes the HD4000 is better but how much better for almost twice the price?

In this case a $949 HD25 is less than half the price. A 8350 is very close to half price.

Pardon the HTPC analogy but I thought it would make sense for you biggrin.gif

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I will be curious to see what you end up with.

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Progress Report ?

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I will be curious to see what you end up with.

I ended up going with an Epson Pro 6010 that I think I got a great deal on from a vendor here on AVS. I receive it tomorrow.
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Progress Report ?

Lot of progress. I was there very late last night installing all of the wall volume control knobs. I now have 8 pair of in-ceiling speakers and an additional 2 areas that I have wired but have decided to hold on speakers at this time.

Pardon the cell phone pics. This is my home theater and whole house audio on a budget...

In-Ceiling Speaker in Hearth Room


In-Ceiling Speaker in Screened Porch


In-Ceiling Speakers in Covered Porch


Wall Volume Control for each pair of In-Ceiling Speakers


View of where A/V rack will go (Open to Theater on other side). Speaker wire, HDMI, etc to the left. Whole house audio, Cat6, Network, Alarm and RG6 wire to the right of the opening.


View of the 7.1 theater. In-wall speakers with 12" Paradigm subwoofer. Green painters tape shows where the Elite Screens AT 120" screen will be (roughly) located.



Outlet on left. Redmere HDMI on right with conduit to the A/V rack. (Note black outlets which I changed from white)


Subwoofer RCA on left. Power outlet on right.
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WOW !

Congrats! That looks great !

I want to see screen shots and hear feedback when you are all done biggrin.gif

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I promised some pictures so here they are. I did a little more work tonight. I move in next week.

(Pardon the cell phone pictures. The walls are a slate gray, the carpet is gray, the ceiling is flat black and the trim is also black. The gray looks a little green in these pictures for some reason).

120" Elite Screens Audio Transparent Screen (LF, RF and C speaker now behind the screen)


Fusion Lagoon theater seating with power recline. To the right you can see my custom built-in AV rack where the equipment will be housed.


Fusion Lagoons. Notice the speakers? They are now painted the same color as the walls.


I am using an Epson 6010 projector that I bought at a very reasonable price new from a vendor here at AVS.

I have 18 (9 pairs) of speakers in the ceiling throughout the house. These are fed right now with my old Denon 3806 and an Adcom speaker distributor. I had all 18 on the other day and was simply blown away by the quality and the loudness of the 6.5" Monoprice ($38/pair) speakers that I am using.
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