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Sub $99 3TB 7200rpm drives are where it's at for storage these days IMO. 4TB is great for someone needing to preserve HDD bays and Sata ports, but the value and performance is clearly in 3TB 7200rpm drives that go under $99 in price. $79 is an amazing deal IMO, I have bought a couple at that price. This Toshiba I paid $89 for it. Even $99 for the Seagate 7200.14 3TB's is a deal all day long...

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I got two 3TB Seagate 5900RPM bare HDDs last Black Friday for $89.99/ea. I am hoping for a repeat this Black Friday but with 4TB HDDs.

 

 

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I got two 3TB Seagate 5900RPM bare HDDs last Black Friday for $89.99/ea. I am hoping for a repeat this Black Friday but with 4TB HDDs.

I am with you on this. I am all good until then on storage. I am not buying anything more unless I see a sub $90 3TB. Hoping to actually get three of the 4TB's cheap and use two of them for new parity drives.

Did you get your flexraid up and running ? What is your parity drive ?

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I am with you on this. I am all good until then on storage. I am not buying anything more unless I see a sub $90 3TB. Hoping to actually get three of the 4TB's cheap and use two of them for new parity drives.

Did you get your flexraid up and running ? What is your parity drive ?

I did but I don't see the need right now. I am just going to stick with nightly backups and a single on-line copy of everything.

D: 2TB for documents, home videos, software, music and image -> G: 2TB
E: 3TB for movies -> H: 3TB
F: 4TB for recorded TV (not backed up until I get a 4TB drive)

I also have a 2TB hotswap drive for taking a mirror image of the 2TB backup drive off-site.

In that scenario, I don't see what anything RAID or pooling really buys me. Maybe if I were starting from scratch but not when I already had all this stuff and I add so little media over time. The 2TB isn't even half full, the 3TB 2/3 full after 5 years of this and the 4TB is maybe 1/2 full but only because I haven't gone through and deleted all the stuff already watched. I might care about the recorded TV movies so I'd like to get a 4TB to back that up in a couple of months and getting a 4TB drive for backup will cost me only a bit more than buying FlexRAID itself.

DriveBender V2.0 with folder-level duplication might interest me if they implement that.

 

 

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So have we decided if nas specific drives are worth the price increase over normal ones? I really need to buy some hdds for server
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Personally i'm happy with the increased warranty they have. If thats enough reason for you to spend a bit more, only you can decide.
And maybe there is an actual improvement in reliability for 24x7 usage, just maybe. smile.gif
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To me they are not, but I do not care about the increased warranty. Since I use them as storage drives only, they are going to be sitting there idle most of the time and therefor not need the extra strength the NAS drives get. Nevcairiel said it well.
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Drives don't spin up in flexraid unless directly accessed correct?
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Drives don't spin up in flexraid unless directly accessed correct?

Not positive. They do not spin up in DisParity, so I suspect it is the same in flexraid.
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Drives don't spin up in flexraid unless directly accessed correct?

That's correct. Only drives that are being accessed are spun up.
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It's the same way in unRAID.

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Nice power numbers. Good option for desktop low performance required storage.

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Storage sale at the egg today...
the Toshiba's are 79 bux again.
The Green 3TB are 118.00

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Storage sale at the egg today...
the Toshiba's are 79 bux again.
The Green 3TB are 118.00

Also a 3TB Seagate NAS coming up next on the Shell Shocker for 1PM ET (10AM PT).

 

 

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What's price ? The Samsung 840 for 128gb and $69 was sweet

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What wireless router you get ? Any good ?

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What's price ? The Samsung 840 for 128gb and $69 was sweet

Price won't show until 1PM eastern

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Price won't show until 1PM eastern

Bleh 6% off... not a "Shellshocker" at all
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The Costco sale ended I presume?
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i have not been in a while so no idea... but I generally favor a retail or external kit versus cracking open a USB model at the same price point.

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The Costco sale ended I presume?

They still have them at my local Costco. $139 4TB too...

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So what is the prediction for Black Friday this year ? Anyone have any info on what models and what prices and where ????

BF is always hard drive buying day!

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Been keeping a close eye, recall last year's 3TB Seagate 89.99 no rebate Amazon deal wasn't BF. It just happened the week before

Tempted to go with the TigerDirect $130 4TB seagate after rebate. V.me will be making a few deals like this one, sales tax may kill it for some. Shoprunner 30 day trial might be a good time to start if you aren't already a member

Weird note on shoprunner, I signed up for 30 day trial last year around this time last year. Cancelled on day 29, and then got an e-mail the following day asking if I'd like to try a 1 yr subscription for free smile.gif Yep
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What is shop runner ? An offer to get a lower price ?

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What is shop runner ? An offer to get a lower price ?

Free 2 day shipping and free return shipping at Newegg and TigerDirect (and a bunch of other useless-to-me places)
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This is how you win:



Just bought it with a coupon I got in mail today.




End result is a $69 Seagate 7200.14 HDD delivered to my door with no shipping. It will be here tomorrow. Staples shipping is awesome! biggrin.gif Local truck from the store just drops it off. eek.gif







I'd be happy to document the process for opening these up so they go back together and can be RMA-ed back (you don't have to put them back together for MFG coverage) for anyone that's interested in seeing. Nothing in this world is easier than removing a Seagate external HDD biggrin.gif If you can't remove it, then you probably can't install a HDD in the first place tongue.gif


I need another staples sale !


No deals on hard drives right now mad.gif

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That's so weird that you just bumped this thread. I had searched for it a few minutes ago and was about to post...

I haven't read the entire thread, but but I would like to weigh in on my experience with the Seagate ST3000DM001 3TB Drives. In short, it was horrible.

To elaborate, I bought 8 of them to be used in a Sans Digital TRM8 storage enclosure connected via (included) HighPoint RocketRaid 622 controller. I added all 8 drives to a RAID-5 array, initialized and off I went. Everything seemed fine, but I noticed when copying data from some other drives, occasionally a drive would drop from the array. Sometimes this would force a rebuild, but typically it everything would be fine after a reboot, or a rescan of the drives. After it happened a few more times I RMA'ed the drive that failed, got a return, rebuilt the array again, and everything seemed fine... until I started copying large chucks of data over to the array, at which point it would fail again. Now suspecting there was something beyond a bad drive I contacted Sans Digital who informed me that it was probably an issue with TLER/ECR and that I might have to live with it if I stuck with those drives. They did provide me with an updated driver that was supposed to address issues with the port multiplier used in the enclosure, and it did improve the problem somewhat, (the errors were still reproducible, but it seemed like a rebuild was less likely after the driver update) Since I wasn't going to be copying 100+GB of data to the drive very often, and when I did need to do it, I could break it up into multiple chunks, I figured it would just be easier to live with, than to return them, and start over from scratch.

Fast forward a few months...

I'm moving some data (10GB) to the drive and it drops. Sigh. Bring it back up and it starts to rebuild. Gets to 59%, then drops again. Sigh. Repeat twice, Groan. I come to the conclusion that I have a bad drive. I get a new pair of ST3000DM001 (one to replace the bad one, and one as a spare) and plug in the replacement drive, and start to rebuild again. Get's to 95%, drops a different drive. Try again, same thing. (keep in mind, a full rebuild takes around 30 hours, so with all of the partial rebuilds going on this has taken up weeks now) After talking to Sans Digital and HighPoint support we came to the conclusion that one of the other drives had some sort of error that wouldn't allow the controller to continue rebuilding (despite having "continue on error" enabled) so I ended up having to take the array offline, pulling the drive with the error on it, doing a sector by sector copy to the new drive (another 20 hours... 1 of which was double, then triple checking to make sure that I wasn't going to overwrite the old drive with the new one) plugging in the new drive back into the array, crossing my fingers, and letting the rebuild start over again. Finally this morning everything was back to normal again.

So lessons learned from this...

1) Picking the Seagate drive was my own fault. I should have done more research before picking my hardware to make sure it would all work together.
2) Not all drives are created equally. While those Seagates are probably fine to stick into a computer and use for bulk storage, they aren't good for hardware/firmware RAID arrays.
3) With hard drive capacities where they're at right now, RAID (with parity) can be a pretty dicey proposition. Yes, theoretically, it will save you in the event of a a single drive failure, when you start getting into the tens of terabytes, the likelihood of having one or more sector failures becomes significant when looking at the error rates of consumer level drives. If you're unlucky enough to encounter such an error after I drive has died, then it might take some heroic measures to get your data back.

So I had been planning to repurpose these drives for a new 24 drive storage server, but it looks like they'll be retired soon, and I'll be going with some different drives moving forward. After this last experience, I'm thinking the WD Red drives may well be worth the extra expense. (to put it in perspective, I was also looking into tape backup options, and I asked myself while the array was down, if I'd pay $3500 to avoid dealing with this crap again, and it was an easy "yes" so I figure if I can pull the trigger on an LTO Autoloader, I can probably spring for the Red drives too)

RAID protection is only for failed drives. That's it. It's no replacement for a proper backup.
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