I can't do ultrafast in my BIOS because I'm running a discrete graphics card, but I'm not sure how much faster it would get. My max boot time from cold into the metro UI is 15 seconds although it's usually less than 10. I've timed it as low as 3 before.
Once inside the OS, there' very little ram usage. I'm staring at the screen right now and it's using 665 MB of ram, granted with nothing running but Win 7 was over double that. Everything is super smooth as well.
As an added bonus, it finally fixed the hand shake issues as I had with my ATI card. Whenever I would turn off the TV, I would lose sound to my receiver. Some driver versions wouldn't work and the ones that did required me to create a dummy VGA monitor, but that caused horrible resizing problems when I turned the TV back on. I reinstalled Win 7 a couple times because of it and tried several different drivers. Win 8 has worked first try and no dummy monitors.
There are things not to like about it, but I'd say give it a shot on an HTPC and see what you think.
Honestly, I don't remember even Vista getting anywhere near this much hate as 8 is. That's not good at all for MS.
- If you actually read the installation screens, you can install without an e-mail account and use just a local username/password
- Microsoft's DTV-DVD decoder is no longer available to 3rd party apps
- Ultra-fast boot is only available if W8 was installed to a GPT formatted disk
- W8 will not successfully install to a GPT formatted disk if your installation device (CD-Rom / USB) was in "legacy" mode
- Your UEFI bios allows you to select a boot priority - CD/USB should be chosen as UEFI:USB or UEFI:CD instead of the USB or CD options
I use classic shell, its pretty cool in that you can have both the start bar and start screen functional at the same time. I'm happy with 8 so long as programs don't launch into metro, but its easy to avoid programs that do. Start screen and desktop programs are perfectly acceptable.
Do you have a source on this? I thought most people are still running the old school MBR. Last I read some SSD firmwares (including the Samsung 830 I run) had trouble with GPT and over provisioning.
Sorry, I'm trying to bring organization to a bunch of chaotic here-say, but I might have overstepped by including "fast"
My source for Ultra-fast is my motherboard. It actually has a pop-up note when you select "Ultra Fast" under boot options that says, "Ultra Fast will only boot from GPT disks"
It may be possible to achieve "Fast Boot" by installing to MBR through UEFI. I have installed OpenELEC and ubuntu server precise to GPT with no issues on a vertex 2, agility 3, and vertex 3. I intended to go ahead and install W8 with GPT rather than MBR, but kept receiving the error. I was in a last minute time crunch to get the free WMC addon, so I never got around to solving things back then
I'm sure most of the speed improvements and lower RAM usage are due to the stripped down graphics, you know all the eye candy that made Win 7 pleasant to use but did come at a small cost performance-wise. Personally I'd rather wait an extra 5 seconds from a cold boot and keep my eye candy. Looking at Win 8 just makes me depressed.
But on a related topic, is resume time any faster on Win 8? I wouldn't think so, but I thought I'd ask.
Personally I'd rather wait an extra 5 seconds from a cold boot and keep my eye candy. Looking at Win 8 just makes me depressed
I agree. I installed it on my htpc, and did not have a great out of the box experience with that os. It's a navigational nightmare. Reinstalled 7. When I was shopping for an ultrabook for my wife, I was lucky to find an hp at costco that had 7 64 bit.
Would you consider Windows 8 if the Start button was restored?
Four months in, Windows 8 needs help
Microsoft needs to fix Windows 8 to make it easier for the average consumer to use, says IDC.
Sure, if I had to, I would hold my nose and adapt. But as long as I don't have to, I'm avoiding it like the plague. I'm hoping when Blue comes out, all of this unpleasantness will be behind us. Microsoft is pretty good about fixing things after the fact.
No no, I mean I'm rebooting for testing purposes. I turn the computer off when I'm not using it. And you need a fast cpu/video card to take full advantage of madvr. It's just a video renderer.
I shut the computer down because even though sleep uses very little power, it's still more than shutdown. Turning it on is so fast, that I don't miss sleep at all.
All this with the same system requirements as Windows 7. I say MS did a great job.
I will admit that the Metro UI is 100x better on a touch device. My wife's Asus tablet is super easy to use.
^ and you should use hibernation. Faster than a cold boot and zero power use.
Hibernation (aka sleep to disk rather than RAM) is disabled by default when Windows is installed to a SSD
In the Kill-A-Watt thread I posted some info I found curious. It was reading 0 during sleep and 2.4 after shutdown. After shutting down, I actually had to switch the power off with the button on the back of my PSU to get it to 0. I've always used sleep since Vista. The only time my computers are "off" is after a rolling blackout or something isn't "sleeping" properly and I hadn't gotten around to fixing it yet
As far as reboots... I reboot within two days after installing a patch that requires a reboot (which is automatic within two days). I guess that's about once or twice a month.
Also, there a couple of ways of turning things on from S5, but I've never thought them worth the investment. I always use S3 except on my W8 server which is always on (and usually doing something for me)
You just have to realise Microsoft's dilemma: the consumer is increasingly moving towards using toys because most consumers are not power users. They spend most of their time surfing, playing around with pictures, music or movies and that sort of stuff. Outside of business hardly anyone is a power user - if they were they would find a tablet woefully inadequate.
So Microsoft is increasingly seeing their traditional core base, where everyone used a desktop type (even a portable one, ie a laptop) shrinking in favour of one where they have virtually no existance rapidly expanding.
They wanted to move into this new area but at the same time can't abandon their core because desktops are still very important, espescially in businsses. So their solution was Windows 8, which unfortunately ende dup being a jack-of-all-trades but master of none. It's never going to challenge iOS or Android because it;s far too late and Apple and Google have the market completely stitched up between them, but at the same time it it managed to piss off an area where it is still very strong because it foisted a touch and small screen friendly front end on users that have large non-touch screens and many of which have little interest in things like constantly updating Twitter or weather tiles beyond finding out how to turn the damn things off.
If Microsoft had included a full Windows 7 style front end as well as Metro and allowed people to choose, this could all have been avoided. But that would have saddled them with just what they wanted to avoid, ie having to support two front ends, one for desktops and one for mobile devices.
I think that very few people would have selected Metro on a desktop if they could have kept all of the other Windows 8 improvements but kept the Windows 7 operating style.
Just my take on it anyway.
I tried a beta and the RC of Win8 and hated it, but then I read about all the improvements that has indeed been made under the hood and now it's like Windows 7 running on steroids!
Will probably install on my HTPC in the future as well.
After I finished telling him how counter-intuitive and counter-productive Windows 8 is, he mentioned that a "few" people had said that and asked me to write my opinions in reply to his email he was going to send at the end of the call.
Can't really figure out how to eloquently say the people at Microsoft are digging their own grave with this MetroModernUI...
I'm sticking with Win7 64+ custom WindowsBlinds skin which takes advantages of 3D Aero glass effects. IMO, looks better than any stock OS that's out. I dont have any performance issues whatsoever; especially, with my 256GB SSD + Nvidia Kepler GPU. I only reboot for critical updates. As for mobile platform (smartphone, tablet), I use Android Jellybean.
I actually "Don't Create Start Menu Entries" when possible
Everything I access is either through a front-end or taskbar shortcut key combination. Doesn't affect me much at all. I really don't like using a mouse at all for navigation since it limits you to either a desk or an annoying wireless mouse/trackpad of some sort