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post #61 of 87 Old 04-03-2013, 08:06 PM
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Hi Sammy,
Yeah, my HTPC is just outputting HDMI directly into the Onkyo amp. Both Video and Audio.
The PC sees the Amp fine actually, When I turn it on, I can tell the additional audio device appears, when I select it (sometimes it says Onkyo, sometimes it's blank, not a big deal) I can configure the speakers, and it comes up with a 7.1 option, and can select the speakers size, etc. then confirm its setup correctly.
This is the Win7 SP1 x64 Windows audio configuration, no need to install anything else, as when you do the speaker test, all 7.1 speakers make there little sound (albeit the end of the sound as the amp switches every speaker on/off).

The problem (which wasn't a problem a few nights ago, until I started fiddling with it again! Arghhh) is when you use software like VLC (Doesn't work with HD audio at all does it?), Media Player, MPC, MPC-HC. All of the software I have installed/uninstalled/added filters/removed filters/etc is where the challenge comes in.
I was under the impression that I needed all this "stuff" to get my amp to play true 7.1 on my 7.1 setup through the PC, because it couldn't without it.

What I am really looking for from the Guru's here is a simple way to "Bitstream"? Or just dump the signal as it is without fudging with anything right to my amp which should be more than capable of doing the rest. Correct? smile.gif
How can I make any of the tools I listed above just dump the audio without touching it? I want to be able to do this for .mkv's (like Abc123.DTS-HD.1080p.mkv), or full Blue Ray's I have ripped to the HD to play. Of course this is no issue with my BluRay player on full BluRay's but I like to have my collection on the HD for easy/fast access.

Hope that is enough info, and I think I am taking the thread off topic a bit if all I really need is Bitstream? Appologies, I will start my search in that direction now that I am perceivably on the correct path forward. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Hope that is enough info, and I think I am taking the thread off topic a bit if all I really need is Bitstream? Appologies, I will start my search in that direction now that I am perceivably on the correct path forward. Any help would be much appreciated.
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I guess everyone may have differing opinions, but I think that the easiest way to bitstream at this point is to install the latest version of XBMC and use the following settings for audio



MPC-HC + LAV Audio should be very easy as well


Also, you have the appropriate Intel/ATI/Nvidia setup correct? Quoted from the Windows 7 Media Center and XBMC stickies
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The following platforms can bitstream DTS-HD MA & TrueHD
  • ATI/AMD HD5xxx/6xxx/7xxx and the E450/E350 APU series graphic cards
  • Nvidia GT430, GT440 & GT520, GTX560 and GT/GTX 6xx series graphic cards
  • Intel Core i3 (first and second generation and third) with integrated Intel HD 1000/2000/3000/2500/4000 GPU
Note - Intel includes all Pentium / Celeron desktop versions from the same generations as well as i5/i7
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Thanks Dark_Slayer,
To answer your question first, I have Intel Core i5 with integrated Intel HD 2000 or 3000 so good there.
I WAS using MPC-HC + LAV, but that's what I am having a hard time setting back up. Could be a simple setting that I am missing to get it to truly bitstream, or could be because of the other filters, etc I have tried. This is leading me down just doing a good clean install on this PC anway.

But thanks! I had just DL'ed the latest build of XBMC to try, and with your settings picture, I will definitely try this out (before clean image just in case..)
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Well there is actually a pretty painless way to get full audio quality out (without being forced to bitstream or use PAP, talking getting it out over high quality analog multi-channel sound card) combined with the best video quality for DVD or blu-ray.

MPC + LAV + MadVR + proper version dtsdecoder.dll simply dropped into the LAV directory + AnyDVD HD

No need to have to mess around and convert audio formats and remux things and waste time. Just pop in the disc and go and your 24bit DTS-HD MA and everything else and superior scaling for old DVDs than from the commercial software. FINALLY!

These days you just drop dtsdecoder.dll into the LAV directory and it's good to go. And MadVR+LAV with nvidia gets CUVID acceleration with ease and then hit the madVR prefs and adjust up the scaling methods, taps, ring filtering and you are good to go.

Well, the one issue though is if I can't use my 5.1 system and have to use Benchmark PRE + headphones. I keep getting pops and clicks. frown.gif That stuff can be touchy with some sound sources, but I've never had such trouble as with the above set up I just can't find a way to get rid of the pops and clicks frown.gif.
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But thanks! I had just DL'ed the latest build of XBMC to try, and with your settings picture, I will definitely try this out (before clean image just in case..)

Note that the Audio Output and Passthrough Output device options may not read exactly the same way, but in your case the one you need to select should read something like "WASAPI - HDMI - PCH" (can't remember exactly) this is what you'll use for both

Also, the audio settings on a XBMC install will work w/ or w/o a clean image as it doesn't have any external codec dependencies for its internal player
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Well there is actually a pretty painless way to get full audio quality out (without being forced to bitstream or use PAP, talking getting it out over high quality analog multi-channel sound card) combined with the best video quality for DVD or blu-ray.

MPC + LAV + MadVR + proper version dtsdecoder.dll simply dropped into the LAV directory + AnyDVD HD

No need to have to mess around and convert audio formats and remux things and waste time. Just pop in the disc and go and your 24bit DTS-HD MA and everything else and superior scaling for old DVDs than from the commercial software. FINALLY!

These days you just drop dtsdecoder.dll into the LAV directory and it's good to go. And MadVR+LAV with nvidia gets CUVID acceleration with ease and then hit the madVR prefs and adjust up the scaling methods, taps, ring filtering and you are good to go.

Well, the one issue though is if I can't use my 5.1 system and have to use Benchmark PRE + headphones. I keep getting pops and clicks. frown.gif That stuff can be touchy with some sound sources, but I've never had such trouble as with the above set up I just can't find a way to get rid of the pops and clicks frown.gif.

Is a disc played with this configuration superior to one played in a standalone player, such as the oppo?
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Is a disc played with this configuration superior to one played in a standalone player, such as the oppo?

too subjective for anyone to say definitively

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Well, the one issue though is if I can't use my 5.1 system and have to use Benchmark PRE + headphones. I keep getting pops and clicks. frown.gif That stuff can be touchy with some sound sources, but I've never had such trouble as with the above set up I just can't find a way to get rid of the pops and clicks frown.gif.
What audio renderer are you using? I would try ReClock with WASAPI Exclusive output if you aren't already.
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Strange situation last night with XBMC (latest build). If I set the audio up to the WASAPI:HDMI I would get no sound or all this crazy static. If I selected Analog(wtf did this come from?) the sound would come out and be clear, but I could still not get it to output 7.1 only 5.1. I finally gave up and decided today to just do a clean fresh install..

Ok, after installing a clean Win7 x64 SP1, with ONLY the Intel drivers to clean up Device Manager and get network working etc, I now have a clean setup with HDMI showing the AMP and that Intel is controlling the audio.
The problem still remains, even though I can configure Windows 7 for 7.1 speakers, I can't get the "Encoded Format's" page to show anything other than the default 3: DTS, DD, and DD Plus.
I have not installed any MPC-HC or XMBC yet, I want to be as pure as I can and get this working.
Keep in mind I am using test files that have 7.1 DTS-HD (hd_dts_hd_master_audio_sound_check_7_1_lossless.m2ts) and Dolby True HD (hd_dolby_truehd_channel_check_lossless.m2ts) from this site: http://www.demo-world.eu/trailers/high-definition-trailers.php



Any thoughts? Why must 7.1 be so difficult. I have been reading and think the best solution next is just load back up MPC-HC with LAV and Reclock (have never used reclock before, maybe it will be the solution).
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Until you fix the issue with 'supported formats' - to show DTS HD and TrueHD, it won't matter which software combination you choose you will only get the supported formats (in your case DD, DTS and DD+).

Likely it is a driver issue - also make sure you have installed the 'intel management engine interface driver'.
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Until you fix the issue with 'supported formats' - to show DTS HD and TrueHD, it won't matter which software combination you choose you will only get the supported formats (in your case DD, DTS and DD+).

Likely it is a driver issue - also make sure you have installed the 'intel management engine interface driver'.

Hi Steelman,
I thought that would be the case as well, but it appears the easiest solution was to downlLav Filters MegaMixgaMix" from this site.
My speaker still shows only those 3 codecs even after installing it, it loads the POT player which is ok, not used to it, but both of the above mentioned test files work perfectly in 7.1!
The reciever recognizes PCM (which I read is fine when the pc is not doing the decoding, it allows the amp to do it's job which its better at).

I will continue to mess around with it, and figure out what it's doing that I couldn't do without all this software, but since it installs MPC-HC also, I will try that and if it works now with 7.1 may just make the "MegaMix" my go to software download from now on.
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Hi Steelman,
I thought that would be the case as well, but it appears the easiest solution was to downlLav Filters MegaMixgaMix" from this site.
My speaker still shows only those 3 codecs even after installing it, it loads the POT player which is ok, not used to it, but both of the above mentioned test files work perfectly in 7.1!
The reciever recognizes PCM (which I read is fine when the pc is not doing the decoding, it allows the amp to do it's job which its better at).

I will continue to mess around with it, and figure out what it's doing that I couldn't do without all this software, but since it installs MPC-HC also, I will try that and if it works now with 7.1 may just make the "MegaMix" my go to software download from now on.

In this set-up though, your PC IS doing all the encoding (proven by your receiver showing PCM - if it was bitstreaming it would show either DT-HD MA or TrueHD). There is nothing wrong with the method you describe (it is identical to bitstreaming to your receiver to decode) and you are getting correctly decoded playback because the pack includes the dtsdecoderdll,dll require to properly decode DTS HD audio.
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I wanted to revisit this to see if anything has changed and clarify some questions I have.

My neighbor is practically giving away a receiver. It has HDMI inputs (mine does not) but its older and lacks DTS-MA and True HD support. It does, however, support muti channel LPCM.

I have Arcsoft TMT 5 which I typically only use for physical discs. Normal playback is via WMC with FFDshow used to get audio out of my pc (via spdif). Is there any way to use those pieces and/or LAV to decode DTS-MA and Dolby True HD audio into LPCM?

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Ok, I updated my A/V receiver, I've been using Windows Media Center for my movies, etc.


I have been ripping my blu-ray movies with the True HD sound track (DD or DTS), this down converted to DD/DTS 5.1 for my old receiver fine. Now that my system supports True HD, etc, I would like to take advantage of it.


Like Guardian1 above, My Soundcards only supported formats are a lot less DD, DTS and a few others but, no True formats.


It's a old Realtech card that is on the motherboard, that runs the audio out from the board directly into the video card (a Nivida 9600gs card) and out via HDMI to my A/V receiver.


If I play any audio file with DTS master or DD True, It just down converts it to 5.1 DTS or DD and plays fine but, I want to hear the full sound track.


SO what is the most cost effective option on this HTPC to get the True formats out of my A/V setup ?


Should I be looking at a new sound card and does anyone know a reasonable priced one that will support all the formats ?

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Just buy a new video card with HDMI. No need to have a sound card if you're using an AVR.
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Just buy a new video card with HDMI. No need to have a sound card if you're using an AVR.

So, If I disable the onboard sound/remove the sound card, should the HDMI output on the Video card pass the audio fine ?


The 9600gs card (by the way plays all 1080p/Blu-ray videos with out a hitch), has HDMI out. This is what I have been using all along to pass audio/video to my AVR.


I guess I need to upgrade the video card anyway, as I will be getting a 4K tv, I know this card will not support 2160P...

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Nvidia cards couldn't bitstream HD audio until the 400 series came out in 2010. I think the GT430 was the first one that could do it.

I think thats a standard feature in all AMD and Nvidia cards now. So like fitbrit said you just need a newer model that can send it out to the receiver for decoding.
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Nvidia cards couldn't bitstream HD audio until the 400 series came out in 2010. I think the GT430 was the first one that could do it.

I think thats a standard feature in all AMD and Nvidia cards now. So like fitbrit said you just need a newer model that can send it out to the receiver for decoding.

OK, thanks, that 100% clears it up.... a GTX550 or GTX660 or higher will provide some 2160p/30 video and should do the bitstream HD audio fine. I guess that is the route I need to move forward to.


I guess I didn't want to deal with the extra heat in the case and need to see if my power supply can handle it...


Great, so much for cost effective...

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Someone here posted a link to LAV site at http://1f0.de/lav-audio/
In the Bitstreaming paragraph it states, "Note that bitstreaming is only properly supported on Windows 7."

Really? Anyone know if its "properly" supported on Win8.1 x64?

Reason I'm asking is currently in process of building a new HTPC and pondering if I should stay with Win7 x64 or make the leap to Win8.1 as I bitstream all audio.
New platform will be Haswell Core i7 4770K on GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD5H.
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OK, thanks, that 100% clears it up.... a GTX550 or GTX660 or higher will provide some 2160p/30 video and should do the bitstream HD audio fine. I guess that is the route I need to move forward to.


I guess I didn't want to deal with the extra heat in the case and need to see if my power supply can handle it...


Great, so much for cost effective...

So, I ended up getting a GTX750ti SC 2gb card (will playback 4K video as well, cool).


I installed the LAV filters and changed it so it uses the lav filters for all audio.


What ever I play back a file with a HD sound track (including the "true" demos above), I only get core audio. I do have the TMT dll dropped in the folder for DTS-HD soundtracks.


No matter what, I only get core audio, 5.1 DD or DTS, no HD formats(the video card shows it supports it). How can I troubleshoot this one ? It's been a while from troubleshooting codecs...


I have a bunch of other things installed FFDSHOWtryout and a Haai MKV support, etc just so I can play back content.


Any idea what I can use to trouble shoot this and get it working ?

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I have a bunch of other things installed FFDSHOWtryout and a Haai MKV support, etc just so I can play back content.

Any idea what I can use to trouble shoot this and get it working ?
1) when you play a file, what decoder is being used? the icon should display down near the clock on the lower right of the tool bar/

2) what kind of receiver do you have? you said you updated it. if it is a newer model capable of decoding HD audio then you don't want to do it on the PC. you CAN do that, but you are much more limited. getting a bitstream out is much easier.

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1) when you play a file, what decoder is being used? the icon should display down near the clock on the lower right of the tool bar/

2) what kind of receiver do you have? you said you updated it. if it is a newer model capable of decoding HD audio then you don't want to do it on the PC. you CAN do that, but you are much more limited. getting a bitstream out is much easier.

I have a Denon 4520....Handles everything besides Dolby Atmos


TV it's connected to is a 1080i set (getting replaced in about 2 weeks with a 4K set, FINALLY), kind of hard to see I will double check it tonight when I get home. Yes, I use HDMI on it but, I needed a lot of stuff to make HDMI work on a set that only has component video inputs :/


There used to be an program that you can run, then play a video and it will show all codecs in use, do you know what that is ?


I want to and rather do bitstream if possible, send everything out and let the Denon handle it. No other official add-ons or compression to the audio, as true as it can be.


I've looked over tons of threads but, cant find what I need, I don't want to run in exclusive mode, as I need/want to hear Windows sounds in WMC. Other threads that had some good info where from 2011 and by now that information is outdated.


Does anyone know of a modern thread that shows setting this up correctly ?

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I'm only using Shark 007 codec with MPC-HC configured to no internal filter. It does bitstream of DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA, DTS-ES, Dolby TrueHD (and all other format) to my decoder without anything. My received does show that it's getting DTS-HD MA signal and others, even 7.1. There's no downsampling since it's bitstreaming through HDMI with Intel Legacy Integrated Display (Intel HD 1000).
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I'm only using Shark 007 codec with MPC-HC configured to no internal filter. It does bitstream of DTS, DTS-HD, DTS-HD MA, DTS-ES, Dolby TrueHD (and all other format) to my decoder without anything. My received does show that it's getting DTS-HD MA signal and others, even 7.1. There's no downsampling since it's bitstreaming through HDMI with Intel Legacy Integrated Display (Intel HD 1000).

I just tried that after troubleshooting codecs and drivers for about 3-4 days now, No matter what I could not get any HD audio formats to play, sure DTS 5.1 or DD would come up


So I said screw it (never liked codec packs)installed Shark007 over my old codecs, opened the options, disabled speaker selection and checked "bitstream (requires HDMI)", and tried a audio format. Bing, I got DTS-HD Master pop up on my Denon 4520....sweet !


Yea, a big No-No to install over old codecs, oh, well, I know but, the system is going to get rebuilt in a few weeks, I just wanted HD audio formats working for right now so I can enjoy the movies I have

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Yeah shark isn't like any other codec pack. It's using only legally free codec, no dll screw up, no codec overlapping. He gave great support on the forum and when there's a bug, he will admit it and fix it fast. For me, it's the best. Also, it make everything playable in wmp and wmc!
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Yeah shark isn't like any other codec pack. It's using only legally free codec, no dll screw up, no codec overlapping. He gave great support on the forum and when there's a bug, he will admit it and fix it fast. For me, it's the best. Also, it make everything playable in wmp and wmc!

As someone who was a WMC expert, who built and installed custom systems for a few years, I would have a exact list of Codecs to install, tested and confirmed working(playing everything or anything I could find).


Now that HD audio is in the picture for me, I have not worked with it on the codecs and had nothing but, issues. I'll stick with Shark for a while, unless I have a problem...so far so good tho...


Not sure if you use a WMC Extender or not but, saw an option to convert audio to AC3 on the fly for extenders, does that actually work ?


The biggest problem with Extenders is they do not support DTS soundtracks, so if I play I movie that has DTS it will only show video, with no sound.


Want the DTS soundtracks on my HTPC but, on the extender this would be a big deal if this works...


It would be a life saver for the kids (lot of movies I get have DTS on them and kids movies)...

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I used to have my Xbox 360 connected to it as extender and work great. Normally extender play through the pc. With shark, you press the suggested settings, let it configured then enable bitstream. In the x64 version, it will ask if you you play to feature or Xbox 360 and enable the component for you.

I myself have been using shark for the last 10 years (about). Had some issue but the issue was with a specific component, like lave splitter not working with dts hd ma anymore. Not shark fault but lav that stop working.
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