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I'm looking to build a HTPC that will be used mostly for XBMC viewing of pre-recorded movies and tv. However, I plan to stream football from live football using a browser this fall. I have a 130" HD Projector and would like to have two windows open (split screen) to watch 2 games in the highest resolution possible without any stutter.

Has anyone done something similar with good results? Would a Intel core i-3 with built in graphics be able to handle this? Do I need a high end graphics card?

Any information or links to recommended products would be greatly appreciated.

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So you want to use 1 output to show two full 1080p sources? You would need a monitor/projector that can display 3840x1080, or 1920x2160, which I don't think exists.

And you will need a dedicated video card. An i3 with integrated graphics will have trouble showing 1080 on its own.
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An i3 with integrated graphics will have trouble showing 1080 on its own.

This isn't remotely true.

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This isn't remotely true.

OK, I was over exaggerating a bit. But with a high bitrate video, or streaming two sources like he wants to, a dedicated video card would help greatly.
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Flight 29.3 Mbps
Avatar 34.5 Mbps
Jellyfish 120Mbps
Netflix 3 Mbps

Intel HD3000 all streaming from wireless

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Flight 29.3 Mbps
Avatar 34.5 Mbps
Jellyfish 120Mbps
Netflix 3 Mbps

Intel HD3000 all streaming from wireless

Probably playing all of them in fullscreen at the same time on four different monitors could cause minor hiccups.

Could you kindly point me to whence you found the jellybean clip?
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Probably playing all of them in fullscreen at the same time on four different monitors could cause minor hiccups.

Could you kindly point me to whence you found the jellybean clip?

4 screens would require a discrete gpu in addition to the hd3000 as it is limited to 2 displays max but that really isn't the problem anyhow.
I have setup dual display on hd3000, Gtx 260, and gtx 570 and every time it resulted in screen tearing on one of the displays.
Intel I3 cpu have more then enough power to drive 2-3 full hd streams at once but long as that tearing issue persists it's simply not worth trying to do so.
Keep in mind I have never tried using amd cards or multiple gpus.

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Back to the OP,

Most of the browser streaming is done in a flash window. Your going to have a hard time re-sizing the windows to show two streams at once. It would be easier to go full screen on two different monitors.

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I think my initial post was not clear in what I want to do - so let me clarify.

I only have 1 output source, an HDMI 1080P projector. It has a 130 inch picture so on football Sundays, I would like to create my own "split screen" by having 2 IE/Firefox windows open on the screen, each with its own NFL game being streamed live. (For those of you familiar with the RedZone channel, its similar to what they show when 2 teams are both about to score).

My question is in regards to what the integrated graphic i-3/i-5 cpu's can handle as far as streaming 2 browser windows, without loss of quality and stuttering/frame loss.

Can someone give me a recommendation on what I would need? From what I have heard, live HD feeds require better specs then I would need if I was just streaming media from a NAS server or local hard drive with XBMC.
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This is basically what I want to do. Not sure if Netflix uses the same technology to stream that NFL.com does but I would like to use the Windows 7 split screen (drag windows left until it clicks, drag window right until it clicks) to have to feeds open. Does your setup work well like this? Can you tell me what your specs are?

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Here's my Intel 4000 graphics doing 2 internet streams, a BD rip and a 1080i live TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCKwxzL3VM 2 streams on a screen shouldn't be a problem.
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Here's my Intel 4000 graphics doing 2 internet streams, a BD rip and a 1080i live TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCKwxzL3VM 2 streams on a screen shouldn't be a problem.

That is perfect - just what I am looking for. So you are very happy with your i3-3225?
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I think my initial post was not clear in what I want to do - so let me clarify.

I only have 1 output source, an HDMI 1080P projector. It has a 130 inch picture so on football Sundays, I would like to create my own "split screen" by having 2 IE/Firefox windows open on the screen, each with its own NFL game being streamed live. (For those of you familiar with the RedZone channel, its similar to what they show when 2 teams are both about to score).

My question is in regards to what the integrated graphic i-3/i-5 cpu's can handle as far as streaming 2 browser windows, without loss of quality and stuttering/frame loss.

Can someone give me a recommendation on what I would need? From what I have heard, live HD feeds require better specs then I would need if I was just streaming media from a NAS server or local hard drive with XBMC.

Ok, well if your only display source is a projector, than your MAX resolution is 1920x1080. You will not be able to show two full 1080p streams on one 1080p display. If you do a split screen, and keep the aspect ratio, the two videos will be VERY small. You could do a split screen with the two videos full size, however, they will obviously be cut off, and you will lost most of the picture. If you are only outputting to one 1080p display, the i3 ntegrated graphics should be just fine.
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Ok, well if your only display source is a projector, than your MAX resolution is 1920x1080. You will not be able to show two full 1080p streams on one 1080p display. If you do a split screen, and keep the aspect ratio, the two videos will be VERY small. You could do a split screen with the two videos full size, however, they will obviously be cut off, and you will lost most of the picture. If you are only outputting to one 1080p display, the i3 ntegrated graphics should be just fine.

Couldn't I just do what Andy_Steb or Oly_teddy did and use 2 windows instead of 4? I understand the 1920x1080 resolution wont be possible with 2 windows but with it being projected 130" on the wall, it should be a good sized screen with a good HD picture.
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Here you go...

nfl.com and espn side-by-side.

This is with Chrome browser. You have to use the scroll bars and Chrome's zoom function (one window is at %100 the other is at %90)



An i3-3225 should have no problems doing this (but in this example I am using a dedicated card)
But with a 130" projector, you might want to consider a dedicated graphics card for your movie rips. Madvr, 24p etc..

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There's too much extra BS on that screen.

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Thats why i said earlier it would be a problem with Flash and it would be better full screen with 2 monitors.

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Here's my Intel 4000 graphics doing 2 internet streams, a BD rip and a 1080i live TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STCKwxzL3VM 2 streams on a screen shouldn't be a problem.

That is perfect - just what I am looking for. So you are very happy with your i3-3225?
Happy enough I bought a second one...
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Couldn't I just do what Andy_Steb or Oly_teddy did and use 2 windows instead of 4? I understand the 1920x1080 resolution wont be possible with 2 windows but with it being projected 130" on the wall, it should be a good sized screen with a good HD picture.

Yes, but again, your sources will not be displayed in HD. If you are outputting to a single 1080p device, splitting the screen in half will not get you HD resolution on those two videos. And again, if you want to keep those video's aspect ratio correct, you will only be using about 1/3 of the screen size.
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i think the bottom line is that yes, that computer will be capable of opening two flash videos in two web browser windows. there just isnt a neat and clean way to do it and make it look like picture in picture

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