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I need to add a SATA controller to a Dell T100 server. The onboard SATA does not support hotswap.
Also, it needs to support a 4TB drive. And I need Windows Server 2003 drivers.

I bought a Adaptec 1405. However, I learned the hard way that it does not support drives above 2TB.

Can Anyone recommend a good SATA card? I don't need great RAID support as I am not planning to do RAID. However, I want to hot swap a backup drive (I do have a hot swap capable caddy).
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M1015 flashed to 9211-8i in IT mode.

eBay for $100 to $120 with the bracket and shipping included.
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M1015 flashed to 9211-8i in IT mode.

eBay for $100 to $120 with the bracket and shipping included.

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Is this backwards compatible to an older PCIx (my Dell T100)? And can it do PCIx4? I think I have an 8 slot that can only do PCIx4.
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M1015 flashed to 9211-8i in IT mode.

eBay for $100 to $120 with the bracket and shipping included.

What is IT mode? DOS boot?
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Thanks. The flashing is for the > 2TB support?
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Thanks. The flashing is for the > 2TB support?

No. Flashing makes JBOD possible on the card and makes it completely transparent to Windows.
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Thanks. The flashing is for the > 2TB support?

No. Flashing makes JBOD possible on the card and makes it completely transparent to Windows.


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No extra bios load up screens. Just adds 8 high speed SATA ports.

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The Supermicro AOC-SASLP-MV8 with the latest firmware will also do what you want. Hot-swapping capability is mostly a function of the SATA backplane you use, IIRC.
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Usually cost more than the IBM though... and I believe that card is only x4 and you'd need the SASLP2 ? (more expensive)

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Usually cost more than the IBM though... and I believe that card is only x4 and you'd need the SASLP2 ? (more expensive)
Actually, they're usually about the same price and frequently much less on ebay for used ones. They'll support SATA II drives up to 4TB with the latest firmware. They only require a x4 PCI-e slot. I believe Supermicro does have a newer version that supports SATA III drives, but that only comes in handy if you perform frequent parity checks and they require PCI-e x8 slots. For everyday use, SATA II transfer rates are more than you'll need, especially if you have a media server. From what I gather, the major benefit of using the IBM M1015 cards is that they have better driver support for some operating systems. I've been using the MV8's in an unRAID server for over six years and they work fine.
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You basically summed up what I thought. The IBM has native driver support in windows 7 or Windows Home Server- You just slap it into the slot and turn the machine on. Done. No driver needed. That's always a good thing tongue.gif

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The IBM plays very nice with Esxi and pass through for Virtual machines / HDD's and I believe there is some issue with the SASLP. ( I also believe you might need to flash SASLP for support of 4TB and 3TB HDDs ??) IBM has native support of drives larger than 2TB but requires flashing to IT mode for invisible HBA function.

Lastly, You are correct in the x4 versus x8 speed. I do run 8 full speed 7200rpm Seagate 3TB HDD's on my IBM M1015 and run parity validate, check, and updates constantly. The max read or write of my HDD is about 200MB/sec which is 200 x 8 = 1600MB/sec at the maximum.

PCI-E v1.x on the other hand is able to transfer 250 MB/s (2.5 GT/s) per lane so a PCI-E x4 card will be able to transfer of the order of 1000MB/s. Higher versions of the PCI-E standard can transfer more, as an example V2.0 can transfer 500MB/s per lane.

If you were running SATAII drives or SSD's you'd clearly want the x8 speed card. But if your running slower HDD (like older slower 5400RPM Green drives) it's not going to matter much.

Personally, I would only get the SASLP2 if I was buying today (x8 speed). The advantage of that card is it is a native HBA card that will just work without flashing it. The IBM might be better or more compatible but you need to flash it to IT mode. It's not hard to do (I did mine and instructions in my server thread) but it's a negative of the IBM if your keeping score. Many rookies might not want to mess around with that. It requires typing a few commands into a DOS prompt wink.gif


I actually purchased the SASLP2 from two different places but it was OOS. It was my first choice per ReneTHX recommendation. I then ended up cancelling my order @$145 and purchased the IBM on ebay with bracket for $79 because I did not want to wait for it to come back in stock. I'm glad I did.

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So, is there a noticeable driver difference between the IBM and Supermicro for Windows Server 2003?
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So, is there a noticeable driver difference between the IBM and Supermicro for Windows Server 2003?
I can't say for sure. I just know that you may have better luck finding drivers for the IBM than the Supermicro for certain operating systems. I believe the latest Supermicro drivers are actually downloaded from a different website that supports a similar card. The Supermicro product website indicates there is support for Windows 2003 so I would assume there are native drivers included with the server software.
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Windows usually native supports the IBM without needing any drivers. Aside from that I am not sure...

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Regarding the IBM, it can be had for less on ebay with the low profile bracket. However, I need full brackets.
Are there norms for brackets? Is there a universal part I can buy or reuse?
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I bought a standard bracket for my IBM M1015 from eBay for $9 shipped. My card didn't come with either bracket, but was only $75 shipped. So I was at $85 total shipped.

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It's like many other brackets but I'd just buy the right one on eBay.

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I can't say for sure. I just know that you may have better luck finding drivers for the IBM than the Supermicro for certain operating systems. I believe the latest Supermicro drivers are actually downloaded from a different website that supports a similar card. The Supermicro product website indicates there is support for Windows 2003 so I would assume there are native drivers included with the server software.
Do you think (see) supermicro has its driver for Windows server 2012? Thanks.
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Many use that card without issue so yes you'd be ok

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I ended up getting the IBM card. Did not flash it. Shows up as LSI during boot.
Works great. I finally can do hotswap.

Installed one additional hot swap drawer that I kept around: Startech DRW115SATBK. Only issue, it doesn't fit through the 5.25" Dell faceplate opening. Need to find a slightly smaller replacement.
If anyone has a suggestion, please let me know. I like the fully enclosed drawer type.
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I think I found a solution:
http://www.cru-inc.com/products/Data-Express-DX115-SAS-SATA_6G.php

This seems to clear the restricted opening of my Dell front bezel.
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I have one open issue. My drive doesn't show as a removable device (Win 2003 server). Is there a way to configure the drive so I can "eject/unmount" before removing it?
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I have one open issue. My drive doesn't show as a removable device (Win 2003 server). Is there a way to configure the drive so I can "eject/unmount" before removing it?

I have a Windows XP machine running all SATA drives in AHCI mode. Because XP does not support AHCI or SATA hotswap natively, I needed a way to "eject/unmount" my drives prior to removal, just like you.

The best solution (for me) is the Hotswap! freeware utility. Link:
http://mt-naka.com/hotswap/index_enu.htm

* Note:
Metropole, you can't use the latest version of Hotswap! because you are running Windows 2003 server. The last version of Hotswap! which supported Win 2003 server (and Windows XP) is version 5.0.0.0 (released on 11/11/2009). Fortunately, you can download the earlier versions of Hotswap! at the link above... just scroll down to the "Download" section found toward the bottom of the page.

Also note that not all disk controller hardware is supported. The Hotswap! website discloses known good controllers. Mine wasn't on their list, but it works fine. Your mileage may vary smile.gif

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