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post #991 of 1111 Old 08-23-2014, 12:25 PM
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I haven't check in a while, but I do need to see if there is a new stable release. I've been waiting I guess since jan for turner pooling to come out of beta.

I'm not brave enough to try the beta's on the green button, I have one tuner, if it gets bricked or dies, and we have no TV, I might not live to talk about it.
I think the beta got promoted to stable several weeks ago. Now one in the same.
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I think the beta got promoted to stable several weeks ago. Now one in the same.
Thanks, I updated to the latest firmware over the weekend, now, is tuner pooling part of this release, I didn't do anything other than upgrade the firmware, my tuners assignments remained intact. I also checked the latest ceton installation guide and tuner pooling is still being described as beta. Maybe I should update the driver packages.

As a side note, I've noticed my channel changes are taking longer after the update like 4 -4.5 seconds, it use to be right at or under 3.

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Thanks, I updated to the latest firmware over the weekend, now, is tuner pooling part of this release, I didn't do anything other than upgrade the firmware, my tuners assignments remained intact. I also checked the latest ceton installation guide and tuner pooling is still being described as beta. Maybe I should update the driver packages.

As a side note, I've noticed my channel changes are taking longer after the update like 4 -4.5 seconds, it use to be right at or under 3.
I've had the PCIe infinitv4 now for a couple of years. It has served me well with no hiccups, or at least nothing a quick reset of WMC couldn't fix. I am interested in the "6" and I am just curious what are the pros or cons, if any compared to the "6". I am not going to say that the 6 at the beginning, had a lot of bugs, I frankly didn't follow its launch a whole lot. I am aware of the huge disaster of the ceton echo. BTW have those bugs been fixed? Thank for the heads up... BTW the reason for the upgrade, is that I have added more TVs to my house.
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I've had the PCIe infinitv4 now for a couple of years. It has served me well with no hiccups, or at least nothing a quick reset of WMC couldn't fix. I am interested in the "6" and I am just curious what are the pros or cons, if any compared to the "6". I am not going to say that the 6 at the beginning, had a lot of bugs, I frankly didn't follow its launch a whole lot. I am aware of the huge disaster of the ceton echo. BTW have those bugs been fixed? Thank for the heads up... BTW the reason for the upgrade, is that I have added more TVs to my house.

I've been running the ETH 6 since Jan. only con is the occasional need to power cycle the tuner. Just recently, I had some longer than normal channel changes after upgrading to the latest firmware, but that's seemed to work its way out. I'm not running tuner pooling, still using tuner assignments.

Pro- 6 tuners one cable card.

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Although I put in that order for the attenuators, I still went ahead with the fan mod in the interim. Get this... My temps dropped 32-33C (not surprised), but the effect was intense. Tuning went from 15 seconds to about 3 seconds!! I have to test more, but wow it was never that fast!! Temps were 61.X C and now they are 28.X to 29.X C max!!!

I have a molecular to 3-pin adapter coming out of my HTPC and powering a 120mm fan that sits on top of the ceton eth, blowing air downward. Wow. Awesomeness!! I may zip tie the fan in with a vent on top so my baby son doesn't get his fingers in there.
How did you measure or view the temperature of the ETH6 tuner? Thanks.
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How did you measure or view the temperature of the ETH6 tuner? Thanks.

Somewhere in this thread some awesome person posted this code. You simply copy it all into a text file and change the IP address inside (using the replace command inside notepad so it is super easy to do) to whatever IP address your Ceton tuner has. Then save it. After saving it, you change the extension from txt to html and run it.


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<html>
<body>
<div class='header'>Ceton InfiniTV Temperatures</div>
<table>
 <tr>
 <td width=100>Temp</td>
 <td width=100>Signal Level</td>
 <td width=100>SNR</td>
 <td width=100>Playback</td>
 <td width=100>Frequency</td>
 <td width=100>Modulation</td>
 <td width=200>Copy Protection</td>
 <td width=100>Channel</td>
 </tr>
</table>
<div id="variable_row">
 <div id="variable_label">Tuner #1:</div>
 <div id="variable_value">
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=av&v=TransportState'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=0&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
 </iframe>
 </div>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #2:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=av&v=TransportState'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=1&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
 </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #3:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=av&v=TransportState'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=2&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
 </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #4:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=av&v=TransportState'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=3&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
 </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #5:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=av&v=TransportState'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=4&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
 </iframe>
</div>
<div id="variable_label">Tuner #6:</div>
<div id="variable_value">
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=Temperature'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=Signal_Level'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=Signal_SNR'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=av&v=TransportState'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=tuner&v=Frequency'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=tuner&v=Modulation'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:200px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=diag&v=CopyProtectionStatus'>
 </iframe>
 <iframe frameborder='0' scrolling='no' style='padding: 0px; margin: 0px; width:100px; height:75px;' src='http://192.168.0.101/get_var?i=5&s=cas&v=VirtualChannelNumber'>
 </iframe>
</div>
</body>
</html>
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Ceton InfiniTV 6ETH on Linux for use with TVHeadend

Has anyone successfully installed the Ceton InfiniTV 6ETH on Linux for use with TVHeadend?

Please post instructions or a link to instructions

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I cannot imagine it would work. The only OS that can use CableCard technology (for encrypted shows) is Windows.
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Really? That's interesting... Thanks for that info
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Strictly speaking, Windows isn't the only operating system that it would be possible to get working with DRM copy-once channels, but Microsoft is the only company that has gone to the effort and expense to provide support for the PlayReady DRM. Windows Media Center is the only solution that will work if you have copy-once channels that you care about. If all the channels you care about are copy-freely, then your options expand by quite a bit, including JRiver Media Center and other DVR solutions on Windows and MythTV on Linux (as far as I can tell from searching, both the Ceton and SiliconDust CableCard tuners work, but only for unencrypted channels). I'm not familiar with TVHeadEnd, but a quick Google search suggests that it doesn't currently work with either the Ceton or SiliconDust CableCard tuners.

IMO, JRiver's TV functionality really isn't ready for prime time yet and pales compared to Windows Media Center. I haven't tried any of the other current Windows options, but in looking around I haven't seen any option that looks overly promising, so I've been sticking with Windows Media Center, which actually has pretty good TV functionality, even if it's pretty bad for most other Media Center duties.

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Has anyone successfully installed the Ceton InfiniTV 6ETH on Linux for use with TVHeadend?

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"Linux is not a supported operating system for InfiniTV. Ceton provides driver source for InfiniTV devices as a courtesy to customers. By using these tools you acknowledge and accept that you do so at your own risk and without the expectation of support from Ceton."

http://cetoncorp.com/infinitv_support/linux_drivers/
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Ceton has said that the ETH doesn't need any drivers to function (PCIe version does need drivers). What you install in Windows is just for the diagnostics, bridging, utilities, WMC setup, etc. It should work in Linux and support cable card. You just can record copy freely content outside of Windows and WMC.
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not encrypted (marked copy freely)
I don't believe this is one in the same, channels maybe be copy freely, but they may still be encrypted. i.e. ABC over the air ways via antenna, not encrypted, copy freely, but via Comcast in my area, it's encrypted, but copy freely. Going back to the Linux discussion, the latter would not work on Linux because of the lack of a certified platform like Media center. I don't believe cable is encrypted in all areas, so that would be a factor to consider.

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According to this, Myth and Sage will work with cable card and encrypted copy freely on Linux.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...tware_packages
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I don't believe this is one in the same
You're correct or course, I mis-poke there. I'll update my post to help minimize any confusion.

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According to this, Myth and Sage will work with cable card and encrypted copy freely on Linux.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...tware_packages
Correct. Windows Media Center is the only package that can be used with copy-once content. And that chart is correct as it notes only DRM content that is marked as copy-freely is supported (see the 2nd chart and notes 11 and 16).

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According to this, Myth and Sage will work with cable card and encrypted copy freely on Linux.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...tware_packages
I'm not 100% certain how all this works, but the fact remains, cable card tuners have become very popular thanks to SD and Ceton, and with MCE becoming the step child of MS, I don't understand why no other company has come out with an alternative fully functional product. I was hoping JRiver, being one of the commercial(for profit) media centers would get something going, but...

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You're correct or course, I mis-poke there. I'll update my post to help minimize any confusion.


As dbailey75 says, Windows Media Center is the only package that can be used with encrypted content. And that chart is correct as it notes only copy freely, DRM free content is supported (see the 2nd chart and notes 11 and 16).
maybe i'm confused, maybe encrypted works but not protected, i.e. copy once. IDK.

But all I can say, i'm loving my ETH, been going strong for over a year, after trading up from the Infinitv 4. I'm also about to finally give dynamic tuner pooling a go.

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You're correct or course, I mis-poke there. I'll update my post to help minimize any confusion.


As dbailey75 says, Windows Media Center is the only package that can be used with encrypted content. And that chart is correct as it notes only copy freely, DRM free content is supported (see the 2nd chart and notes 11 and 16).
you know, I'm mistaken, copy freely, encrypted content can be view using a cable card tuner (with active cable card) and should work with most media centers (that support cable card JRiver, Myth, Media Portal) for copy freely content, non cable card tuners, are the ones that can't because of the encryption, but any copy once or copy never content, MCE is the only option.
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you know, I'm mistaken, copy freely, encrypted content can be view using a cable card tuner (with active cable card) and should work with most media centers (that support cable card JRiver, Myth, Media Portal) for copy freely content, non cable card tuners, are the ones that can't because of the encryption, but any copy once or copy never content, MCE is the only option.
LOL That's what we get for posting eary-ish in the day and/or in between doing work. Sorry for adding to the confusion...

For most people, this means that most non premium channels (premium being channels like HBO and Showtime) can be viewed/recorded on both WMC and the other software options such as JRiver, MythTV, etc. For those who have cranky cable operators who mark pretty much everything as copy-once, WMC is the only option at this time.

Regarding JRiver, their team has addressed this on their forum a bit and it's a combination of cost and what it might mean for some of the other features in their software as they might have to make some unfavorable changes in order to implement the PlayReady or alternative DRM.
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you know, I'm mistaken, copy freely, encrypted content can be view using a cable card tuner (with active cable card) and should work with most media centers (that support cable card JRiver, Myth, Media Portal) for copy freely content, non cable card tuners, are the ones that can't because of the encryption, but any copy once or copy never content, MCE is the only option.
Yeah, that is what I meant to say too.
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-encrypted /= copy-free
-anything in your cable package (USA at least) is encrypted
-All US cable is decrypted via the cablecard and cablecard-tuner (u-verse didn't have to comply with this and is iptv based decryption)
-after decryption (handled by the tuner) anything with the CCI bit of copy-free (0x00) can be played/recorded (timeshifted) in any capable media center software

However, I don't know of anyone getting the ceton going with those linux drivers (honestly the SD Prime is much easier and more supported)

I've used the prime to record and play Comcast with
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Didn't use Mediaportal, but it's supported as well. The wiki page should list NPVR with limited cablecard support just like Myth and Mediaportal

Instead of tvheadend, I'd recommend ServerWMC if possible. Much easier to setup a WMC-tv-server that way your guide data is free from MS instead of a $25 schedulesdirect subscription and you get a central recording directory with channel logos as well. Also, the prime is again a better choice for this route as the latest versions of ServerWMC support muxing the live streams straight from silicondust tuners skipping the buffering on your ServerWMC recorded tv drive
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LOL That's what we get for posting eary-ish in the day and/or in between doing work. Sorry for adding to the confusion...

For most people, this means that most non premium channels (premium being channels like HBO and Showtime) can be viewed/recorded on both WMC and the other software options such as JRiver, MythTV, etc. For those who have cranky cable operators who mark pretty much everything as copy-once, WMC is the only option at this time.

Regarding JRiver, their team has addressed this on their forum a bit and it's a combination of cost and what it might mean for some of the other features in their software as they might have to make some unfavorable changes in order to implement the PlayReady or alternative DRM.
yeah, I was feeling unmotivated at work yesterday, and then I got all excited that there were new posts, just had to respond, knee jerk reaction.

regarding Jriver or kodi, or who ever, yeah, i'm sure locking the code down, or what ever is required for play ready is not going to make some users happy, but their has to be some back door left open for plug ins/add ons which keeps the DRM intact. I have heard that Windows 10 will be adding MKV as a supported codec, but what's the future of MCE in Windows 10? So far I've passed on windows 8, except that I just got my kid one of those Windows 8.1 tablets for Xmas (runs really nice by the way for a slow bay trail proc), but I don't see myself upgrading to 8.1 pro for the sake of adding MCE.

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So, I've finally given up on the ETH 6 and went the Tivo route. Just became to frustrating to lose the tuners, miss recordings, etc... just wasn't reliable enough for family use. Heck, I'm a tinkerer and finally grew leery of it. Dedicated gigabit switches, on it's own network, never letting computer sleep, you name it..never failed I'd get ready to watch a sporting event and I have to spend 15 minutes rediscovering tuners! Grrr...

Still keeping the tuner card and ETH 6 and hoping maybe... just maybe, W10 will offer some improvement but I'm not seeing any note of them revamping Media Center.

Side note..Forgot how much I luv'd Tivo from many years ago.. the new boxes and mini's are very polished. WMC is showing it's age.
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I too have a HTPC running an ETH 6. Convenient having a PC for live TV and Plex and no additional components to plugin for streaming movies. Do the latest Tivos have any codecs of any kind?
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So, I've finally given up on the ETH 6 and went the Tivo route. Just became to frustrating to lose the tuners, miss recordings, etc... just wasn't reliable enough for family use. Heck, I'm a tinkerer and finally grew leery of it. Dedicated gigabit switches, on it's own network, never letting computer sleep, you name it..never failed I'd get ready to watch a sporting event and I have to spend 15 minutes rediscovering tuners! Grrr...

Still keeping the tuner card and ETH 6 and hoping maybe... just maybe, W10 will offer some improvement but I'm not seeing any note of them revamping Media Center.

Side note..Forgot how much I luv'd Tivo from many years ago.. the new boxes and mini's are very polished. WMC is showing it's age.
You should have tried/can still try a HDHomerun Prime. You then can return it to wherever you bought it (within the return period) if you still wanna stick with Tivo.
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So, I've finally given up on the ETH 6 and went the Tivo route. Just became to frustrating to lose the tuners, miss recordings, etc... just wasn't reliable enough for family use. Heck, I'm a tinkerer and finally grew leery of it. Dedicated gigabit switches, on it's own network, never letting computer sleep, you name it..never failed I'd get ready to watch a sporting event and I have to spend 15 minutes rediscovering tuners! Grrr...

Still keeping the tuner card and ETH 6 and hoping maybe... just maybe, W10 will offer some improvement but I'm not seeing any note of them revamping Media Center.

Side note..Forgot how much I luv'd Tivo from many years ago.. the new boxes and mini's are very polished. WMC is showing it's age.
You are the second person I've encountered to give up on Ceton for TiVo.
The other guy had TiVo, went to Ceton, now is back with TiVo.
I never left TiVo for a Ceton. I never felt that Ceton was ready for "consumer" (used loosly) use.

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I too have a HTPC running an ETH 6. Convenient having a PC for live TV and Plex and no additional components to plugin for streaming movies. Do the latest Tivos have any codecs of any kind?


What does that mean?
TiVo is TiVo, you can't borrow its tech/code to use with something else.
The latest TiVos can stream from all the usual sources. But, I read that there are some problems with that.

I use TiVo for its original intention, record OTA and/or cable programming to be viewed at my convenience.
I don't stream content from the internet, so that part of TiVo is wasted.

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You should have tried/can still try a HDHomerun Prime. You then can return it to wherever you bought it (within the return period) if you still wanna stick with Tivo.
That's what I did. I replaced 2 Ceton InfiniTV 6 ETH's with 3 HDHomeRun Primes this past November and haven't had a single recording issue since. Previously, we had to regularly reboot the PC's and tuners and still had recording failures more than often enough to be a problem.
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So, I've finally given up on the ETH 6 and went the Tivo route. Just became to frustrating to lose the tuners, miss recordings, etc... just wasn't reliable enough for family use. Heck, I'm a tinkerer and finally grew leery of it. Dedicated gigabit switches, on it's own network, never letting computer sleep, you name it..never failed I'd get ready to watch a sporting event and I have to spend 15 minutes rediscovering tuners! Grrr...

Still keeping the tuner card and ETH 6 and hoping maybe... just maybe, W10 will offer some improvement but I'm not seeing any note of them revamping Media Center.

Side note..Forgot how much I luv'd Tivo from many years ago.. the new boxes and mini's are very polished. WMC is showing it's age.
I don't blame you at all. I started with the Ceton quad pcie card and that was a pain in my rear. I'm actually a senior desktop support guy and a manager in IT. I've been doing IT for about 15 years and I too have asked myself why I even still waste my time. I will admit, the ETH 6 is a TAD bit more reliable than the quad PCIe.

I got so sick of my problems that I even rebuilt my HTPC all with new parts, and have NOTHING running on it but WMC and Remote Potato as far as background services (besides the basics for Windows). We use firefox for youtube and the new XBMC for MKV high-def movies. My problems are less, but I still fear for unrecorded shows.

I've spent a ton of time with attenuators and properly cooling the tuner. I even built my own external power source to power an 80mm computer case fan on top of the ETH 6 tuner (replaced a 120mm as it was too big). The tuner is usually around low 30s C even in use, signal levels within acceptable range, gigabit networking with an enterprise-class switch and Cat 6, and minimal interference.

And still... my wife probably hates me for it.
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I don't blame you at all. I started with the Ceton quad pcie card and that was a pain in my rear. I'm actually a senior desktop support guy and a manager in IT. I've been doing IT for about 15 years and I too have asked myself why I even still waste my time. I will admit, the ETH 6 is a TAD bit more reliable than the quad PCIe.
FWIW, in my case, the ETH 6 proved to be less reliable than the 4 tuner PCIe cards (I originally had 2 of these that I replaced with 2 ETH 6's). No fans are needed for the HDHomeRun Primes as they run nice and cool on their own.
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