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IDK if this is the right place but I was looking at the XBox One just to see what all the hooplala was all about and it's effect on the demise of WMC that so many have proclaimed.

What I've read says it does "LiveTV" but I haven't found if it has a tuner it it or a DVR or what.

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I read on Engadget and gizmodo that it has an hdmi input.
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It looks like the Live TV feature is really going to be the Google TV route, the major difference is that it won't use IR blasters, it will use use HDMI-CEC to actually control the cable box. By partnering with cable providers who update their boxes to work with it I think the experience will be a lot better and more intuitive.

They are also obviously going to look to expand IPTV solutions from different providers as well. That way the Xbox One will get channels streamed over the net in lieu of a box. The 360 has some of that ability now and as new streaming broadcast specs and technologies come down the pike I assume Microsoft will want the Xbox One as a receiver for them.

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It supposedly has an hdmi input/pass through... so it will hook up to your STB, though I don't know how/if it controlls it though the article I linked to does mention CEC (which I believe) and IR blasters (which I haven't seen). It is also integrated with comcast xfinity

I am waiting to hear if it still functions as an extender, If it can use network based tuners such as the prime or ceton eth but mainly for the prime I'm interested in finding out how/if it supports dlna and dtcp-ip.
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Ugh. I had a slight hope that the new Xbox would have a cablecard slot. A fools hope, perhaps.

Can you imagine if the picture on the left was Windows Media Center 8??

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It looks like the Live TV feature is really going to be the Google TV route, the major difference is that it won't use IR blasters, it will use use HDMI-CEC to actually control the cable box. By partnering with cable providers who update their boxes to work with it I think the experience will be a lot better and more intuitive.

They are also obviously going to look to expand IPTV solutions from different providers as well. That way the Xbox One will get channels streamed over the net in lieu of a box. The 360 has some of that ability now and as new streaming broadcast specs and technologies come down the pike I assume Microsoft will want the Xbox One as a receiver for them.

Doesn't this predicate the need for the cable boxes to remain on-premises?

The second statement indicates (as predicted) a monthly subscription service hosted by Microsoft, which translates to some loss of extender functionality.

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I think it's a huge shame that no one will be asking the big question of extender functionality... Everyone is asking about bluray, xbox live, always on, etc.

heck, we may not know until it's on the shelves....
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I suppose it could be feasible for Niveus, Ceton, or Silicon Dust to build an app and use that 500GB hard drive and a networked tuner to turn it into a DVR.

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I suppose it could be feasible for Niveus, Ceton, or Silicon Dust to build an app and use that 500GB hard drive and a networked tuner to turn it into a DVR.

I doubt that very much.
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What a disappointment. I was hoping for an HTPC replacement. But this is essentially GoogleTV with voice and gesture control via the Kinect. Still requires a cable box and an Xbox Live subscription. It apparently has a DVR of sorts, but only for recording your own game play. I don't see how this will change the HTPC market in the least. Some gamers with cable TV already will probably use it. But gamers are most likely cord-nevers who don't even have cable tv. Aside from the voice/gesture control gimmick, this offers no added value that I can see. Plus it has that nauseating Metro look. DirecTV already has voice controlled DVRs and they are just as useless and buggy as you would expect.
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I suppose it could be feasible for Niveus, Ceton, or Silicon Dust to build an app and use that 500GB hard drive and a networked tuner to turn it into a DVR.

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I suppose it could be feasible for Niveus, Ceton, or Silicon Dust to build an app and use that 500GB hard drive and a networked tuner to turn it into a DVR.

I doubt that very much.

They might as well develop a DVR without the Xbox involved at all.

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What a disappointment. I was hoping for an HTPC replacement. But this is essentially GoogleTV with voice and gesture control via the Kinect. Still requires a cable box and an Xbox Live subscription. It apparently has a DVR of sorts, but only for recording your own game play. I don't see how this will change the HTPC market in the least. Some gamers with cable TV already will probably use it. But gamers are most likely cord-nevers who don't even have cable tv. Aside from the voice/gesture control gimmick, this offers no added value that I can see. Plus it has that nauseating Metro look. DirecTV already has voice controlled DVRs and they are just as useless and buggy as you would expect.

Interesting term..

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They might as well develop a DVR without the Xbox involved at all.

I don't know if any of these companies have the money to get certified for any CableCard approved DRM without a guaranteed return on investment.
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Ugh. I had a slight hope that the new Xbox would have a cablecard slot. A fools hope, perhaps.

I was wondering that too when I read about it at the Detroit Free press site.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130521/BUSINESS07/305210104/Microsoft-Xbox

"Microsoft executives touted the Xbox One as a replacement for the set-top box from your cable provider. It has its own guide and you can change channels by voice command."

Maybe what they meant was that Microsoft sees the Xbox One as a replacement for your cable provider, not the cable box from your provider.

The only way I could see it replace the cable box from your provider would be to have a cable card. But if Microsoft replaces your cable provider then MS can do their own thing (IPTV perhaps).

Edit: Isn't cable card US market only? Since Xbox One is a global product it doesn't make much sense to add a cable card slot to the Xbox.
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I was wondering that too when I read about it at the Detroit Free press site.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130521/BUSINESS07/305210104/Microsoft-Xbox

"Microsoft executives touted the Xbox One as a replacement for the set-top box from your cable provider. It has its own guide and you can change channels by voice command."

Maybe what they meant was that Microsoft sees the Xbox One as a replacement for your cable provider, not the cable box from your provider.

A replacement for your cable provider's STB front end is pretty much it.

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It's definitely got an IR blaster as an option at the very least, because there's an IR Out port on the back of it.

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Alright, I just got done watching the announcement, and reading a couple of articles. Some thoughts:

1) It won't replace your cable box

2) It appears that you will be able to control Live TV through EITHER HDMI-CEC or IR blasters (main evidence of this being the fact that it has an IR blaster port).

3) Given #2 above, this could theoretically open the possibility for use with Tivo's, HTPC's, -- hell, even DirecTV.

4) No mention of what it could do as a network media player for the content in your home. The emphasis seems entirely cloud- and streaming-based. No way they omitted this accidentally. I suppose that, since it has an HDMI input, it could be possible to route your HTPC's output through the ONE. And, as long as you're controlling the HTPC through other means, it is at least conceivable that you could get passthrough of your BR rips, including lossless sound. That being said, the chance of such a thing actually being possible is infinitesimally remote.

I get the feeling that, at the end of this, most of us will just be adding our ONE to the rest of the bajillion components in our AV racks, and treating it just like we treat our current PS3's and 360's...
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It's definitely got an IR blaster as an option at the very least, because there's an IR Out port on the back of it.

That's probably is for Cable STBs without CEC I'm assuming.
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I get the feeling that, at the end of this, most of us will just be adding our ONE to the rest of the bajillion components in our AV racks, and treating it just like we treat our current PS3's and 360's...

Or just sticking to the HTPC we already have. biggrin.gif

I'd love to see this new Kinect as a PC peripheral though, especially if it had native support in Windows 8.

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That's probably is for Cable STBs without CEC I'm assuming.

Yeah, it sounds like it's a fallback. Still, I suspect it's going to be most people that will be stuck using that fallback.

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That's probably is for Cable STBs without CEC I'm assuming.

Or Tivo's, or Dish, or DTV, etc.

It certainly adds a measure of flexibility.
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I'm thinking this thing may actually BE the replacement for your cable box or HTPC. Just look at the note at the bottom of the page here: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/what-it-does

"1. Supported television tuner or cable/satellite set top box with HDMI output and HDMI cable required (all sold separately)."

The key word to me is "or" so it sounds to ME like its going to support external tv tuners, hopefully the ceton itv6 or HDHR!
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I suppose it could be feasible for Niveus, Ceton, or Silicon Dust to build an app and use that 500GB hard drive and a networked tuner to turn it into a DVR.

This could work for CableCARD protected content if it had DTCP-IP like the Sony PS3 already does. SiliconDust would be ahead in the game with DLNA streaming and DTCP-IP support.
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I'm thinking this thing may actually BE the replacement for your cable box or HTPC. Just look at the note at the bottom of the page here: www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/whatitdoes

"1. Supported television tuner or cable/satellite set top box with HDMI output and HDMI cable required (all sold separately)."

The key word to me is "or" so it sounds to ME like its going to support external tv tuners, hopefully the ceton itv6 or HDHR!

Eh, that sounds to me like OTA and just using the tuner built into any TV. MS wouldn't take a dependency or test cases on using hardware from super small and niche companies like Ceton or SiliconDust. If anything, they would release their own tuner that users would buy.

I mean, look at the Xbox ecosystem - it's all proprietary HW and services, None of it is open for 3rd parties.
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I'm thinking this thing may actually BE the replacement for your cable box or HTPC. Just look at the note at the bottom of the page here: http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/what-it-does

"1. Supported television tuner or cable/satellite set top box with HDMI output and HDMI cable required (all sold separately)."

The key word to me is "or" so it sounds to ME like its going to support external tv tuners, hopefully the ceton itv6 or HDHR!

I am going to go with you on this one, they definetly want ot stream. IPTV IS supported, so lets hope it also means CC tech.

What I like about it is that it looks like a piece of HT equipment and not so much a gaming console.

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Eh, that sounds to me like OTA and just using the tuner built into any TV.

I'm with you on that. At least it gives an option for ATSC/QAM TVs.
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Alright, I just got done watching the announcement, and reading a couple of articles. Some thoughts:

1) It won't replace your cable box

2) It appears that you will be able to control Live TV through EITHER HDMI-CEC or IR blasters (main evidence of this being the fact that it has an IR blaster port).

3) Given #2 above, this could theoretically open the possibility for use with Tivo's, HTPC's, -- hell, even DirecTV.

4) No mention of what it could do as a network media player for the content in your home. The emphasis seems entirely cloud- and streaming-based. No way they omitted this accidentally. I suppose that, since it has an HDMI input, it could be possible to route your HTPC's output through the ONE. And, as long as you're controlling the HTPC through other means, it is at least conceivable that you could get passthrough of your BR rips, including lossless sound. That being said, the chance of such a thing actually being possible is infinitesimally remote.

I get the feeling that, at the end of this, most of us will just be adding our ONE to the rest of the bajillion components in our AV racks, and treating it just like we treat our current PS3's and 360's...

I have no use for it. Currently I have an HTPC and an AVR in my AV cabinet. Oh, and a Blu-ray Player that gets used about once a year now.

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Yeah if anything, it would be used as an expensive Blu-Ray player with app support. Not gonna happen with a Live subscription required though (did they mention that at all?). This really serves no purpose for us HTPC wise IMO. Unless you want to use it via IR hooked directly to your TV with ATSC/QAM. But even then, no TV recording functionality.
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