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post #721 of 810 Old 06-09-2014, 09:41 PM
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Well I just got my R7 260x cards in today. Installed them both on each of my htpcs. I bumped up everything to madVR lvl5 and it looks good. It also helps to have a much quieter fan on the gpu now. All I can hear now is the fan from the projector which is right above my head.

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Quick question to the experts: can MadVr be used to upscale a 1080p video to 4k? I'm planning to buy a 4k tv and would like to have the option to choose between the scaler of the tv and upscaling with MadVr. So is it doable? And if so which videocard is required?

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Yes, of course. Radeon R7 260X can upscale 1080p24 to 4K at Level 5 (~80% GPU load). A higher card (R9 270X, for example) is better, of course.
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Well I just got my R7 260x cards in today. Installed them both on each of my htpcs. I bumped up everything to madVR lvl5 and it looks good. It also helps to have a much quieter fan on the gpu now. All I can hear now is the fan from the projector which is right above my head.
Which card did you get?
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I got the PowerColor AXR7 260X. The fan is quiet and so far is working well. Now to have some more time to watch some movies.

Any suggestion as to what settings should be enabled in CCC? At the moment I think I just have pulldown detection and deinterlacing set. Is there anything else?
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I have R9 295X2 graphics card and a 4K Panasonic TV.

 

What would be the optimal MadVR settings for the best possible picture quality?

 

Most content I have would be the following 4K upscaling:

1080p24->2160p24 (via HDMI, since DisplayPort only seems to support 2160p50 and 2160p60)

1080i25->2160p50 (via DisplayPort)


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That card is a poor choice for MadVR because it only sees one of the two GPUs FYI. You can't run crazy settings any more than a more modest R9 card like r290, so I'd probably just start there and see what you get. Check the previous posts for specific settings or the differences.

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My R9 295X2 is primarily for gaming at 4K@60Hz, video upscaling is a bonus - so if MadVR sees only half of it then it would probably equate to whatever a single R9 290X can do.


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It's still a bad ass card smile.gif

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My R9 295X2 is primarily for gaming at 4K@60Hz, video upscaling is a bonus - so if MadVR sees only half of it then it would probably equate to whatever a single R9 290X can do.

Did you try it? How'd it go ?

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Did you try it? How'd it go ?
Returned my 4K Panny as it was faulty. Will be getting a 4K gaming monitor and a large 1080p reliable TV instead.
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I just set up madVR on two brand new computers, one with Geforce 750 Ti and one with Radeon R9 295X2.

Exactly the same OS (Win 8.1-64), same programs (MPCHC, LAV, reclock) and settings (Jinc, Jinc) on both. Works perfect on 750Ti, but starts to stutter once every second in exclusive mode after exactly 3 minutes (180 seconds) on 295X2.

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Probably something funky with the dual GPU card. That card is bad ass, but it might be too cutting edge for MadVR and how MadVR is designed. I know some people get better results with older AMD drivers too. You could try that.

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There have been two separate reports of users getting 4K 60p over HDMI using the just released 340.43 Nvidia drivers. While both are reporting issues when using SLI, everything seems to be fine when just using a single card (SLI disabled).

Report #1
Display: Samsung UE40HU6900
GPU: 4x GTX Titan

http://www.overclock.net/t/1496500/s...#post_22438222

Report #2
Display: Sony XBR-55X900A
GPU: 2x Titan Black

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-hom...l#post25084474

If you have a newer 4K TV and Nvidia GPU you should give it a shot and report back.

For this to work, you need a 4KTV with a HDMI Rx chip that supports 18 Gbps HDMI signals. This should include most 2014 model 4K TVs.
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you don't need 18 gbps hdmi, 4k with 4:2:0 works with the old standard but looks terrible
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The pixel clock rate of 4K 60Hz is

- 4400 x 2250 x 60Hz = 594MHz

where 4400 = 3840 + 560 (Hblank), 2250 = 2160 + 90 (Vblank). As YCbCr 4:2:0 requires 12bit per pixel (= 8bit x 4 in Y+ 8bit in Cr +8bit in Cb / 4 pixels), TMDS bit rate is

- 4400 x 2250 x 60Hz in YCbCr 4:2:0 = 594MHz x 12bit/pixel x 10/8 (overhead) = 8.91Gbps

(This is the same bit rate as 4K 30Hz = 297MHz RGB 8bit.) HDMI transmitter in the current graphics cards supports

- 300MHz (pixel clock rate)
- 300MHz x 24bit/pixel x 10/8 = 9.0Gbps (TMDS bit rate)

that's enough for 4K x 2K x 60Hz in YCbCr 4:2:0. That's not enough for 4K x 2K x 60Hz RGB 8bit:

- 4400 x 2250 x 60Hz in RGB 8bit = 594MHz x 24bit/pixel x 10/8 = 17.82Gbps
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you don't need 18 gbps hdmi, 4k with 4:2:0 works with the old standard but looks terrible
Good thing Sony has gimped all their "HDMI 2.0" TVs with UHD@60FPS (YCrCb 4:2:0) as the maximum they'll support then.
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But HDMI 1.4b does support 4k@4:4:4, or do I miss something?

And another question. Many users are trying more than 32 neurons with NNEDI3, does it make sense with 1080p to 2160p? ( do not care about SD to FHD )?
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Yes, HDMI 1.4 supports 4K 30Hz RGB/YCbCr 4:4:4. Pixel clock for 4K @30Hz is

- 4400 x 2250 x 30Hz = 297MHz.

This is half of 4K @60Hz, 594MHz. TMDS bit rate is

- 4K @30Hz RGB/YCbCr 4:4:4: 297MHz x 24bit x 1.25 overhead = 8.91Gbps
- 4K @60Hz YCbCr 4:2:0: 594MHz x 12bit x 1.25 overhead = 8.91Gbps

Both are within HDMI 1.4 specifications (hardware-wise).

1080p@24Hz -> 2160p by NNEDI3 32 is possible with R9 280X. 1080p@60Hz -> 2160p by NNEDI3 32 is possible with R9 290X.
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1080p@24Hz -> 2160p by NNEDI3 32 is possible with R9 280X. 1080p@60Hz -> 2160p by NNEDI3 32 is possible with R9 290X.
You meant NNEDI3 64 in both cases? NNEDI3 32 ( image doubling 1080p24 to 2160p24 ) should be possible to get with R9 270x.
Is there a visible benefit to buy stronger cards and have NNEDI3 64/128/256 for image doubling purpose?
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You are right. I was confused.

R9 270X can handle NNEDI3 32 1080p24 -> 2160p, but can't handle NNEDI3 (whatever neurons) 1080i/p60 -> 2160p.
R9 280X can handle NNEDI3 16 1080i/p60 -> 2160p.
R9 290X can handle NNEDI3 32 1080i/p60 -> 2160p.

There are some cases where 64 is better. You'd better try youself.
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I'm rather confused about the settings of MadVR, there are quite a few things to choose from to say the least. I'm currently running Kawaii Codec Pack which basically is a automated installation of MPC-HC with MadVR, LAV-filters, xy-VSFilter and optionally Re-clock all preconfigured. They only thing you choose during the installation is whether you'd want re-clock installed or not and the "preformance tier" of your system which will try to adjust the algorithms of MadVR accordingly to what your hardware is supposed to be able to handle. It's quite genius and removes the need of doing anything manually which is nice.

http://haruhichan.com/forum/showthre...aii-Codec-Pack


According to this, and I have also verified this the settings running the "Highest" preset resolves in;

Chroma upscaling; Jinc, 3 taps (AR)
Image upscalnig; Jinc, 3 taps (AR)
Image downscaling; Catmull-Rom (AR, LL)


I'm not entirely sure whether these are considered the optimum settings any more? I've noticed the new NNEDI3 option which there before. I clearly got no clue about the difference between these options, but as I'm running a GTX Titan I can't see any reason why I should not select the best settings.


I'm running 1920x1080 @ 120Hz, what scaling and various other options in this jungle of MadVR settings are considered to be the optimum choice these days?



I have also noticed that my GTX Titan for some awkward reason is having a very hard time running MPC-HC @ MadVR + SVP (Smooth Video Playback). I know for a fact that SVP is supposed to be VERY intensive on the hardware, but running Intel Core i7-3960X + GTX Titan one would think my system should be able to handle both on maximum settings?

Might it be because of running re-clock + SVP is a rather stupid idea as re-clock tries to set the refresh rate of my monitor to match the one of the video (typically 23.976 Hz) at the same time as SVP is doing it's interpolation magic trying to interpolate the frames into 120Hz at the same time? I have no clue what's going on but with SVP enabled with the default setting it chooses will get slow downs for time to time. I have also noticed that SVP got a wide arrange of various settings as well and was wondering if anyone got some tips to what settings is considered optimum?
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For SVP let it auto detect (probably level 5G)

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I've noticed the new NNEDI3 option which there before. I clearly got no clue about the difference between these options, but as I'm running a GTX Titan I can't see any reason why I should not select the best settings.

I'm running 1920x1080 @ 120Hz, what scaling and various other options in this jungle of MadVR settings are considered to be the optimum choice these days?

I have also noticed that my GTX Titan for some awkward reason is having a very hard time running MPC-HC @ MadVR + SVP (Smooth Video Playback). I know for a fact that SVP is supposed to be VERY intensive on the hardware, but running Intel Core i7-3960X + GTX Titan one would think my system should be able to handle both on maximum settings?

Might it be because of running re-clock + SVP is a rather stupid idea as re-clock tries to set the refresh rate of my monitor to match the one of the video (typically 23.976 Hz) at the same time as SVP is doing it's interpolation magic trying to interpolate the frames into 120Hz at the same time? I have no clue what's going on but with SVP enabled with the default setting it chooses will get slow downs for time to time. I have also noticed that SVP got a wide arrange of various settings as well and was wondering if anyone got some tips to what settings is considered optimum?
NNEDI3 is discussed in the middle of the thread. Titan should be able to handle Level 5 for all contents in a 1080p display.



(These levels are just a starting point. You can configure madVR in various ways.) Titan should be able to handle SVP Level 5g + madVR Level 5 for up to 1080p24 in a 1080p 60Hz display without problem. Your display is 120Hz so YMMV.

Nowadays ReClock's only main purpose is send bit-perfect LPCM audio to the audio device because GPU supports very precise '23.976Hz'. Then I feel why not use MPC-BE? (Of course you can use ReClock for several other purposes.)
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Nowadays ReClock's only main purpose is send bit-perfect LPCM audio to the audio device because GPU supports very precise '23.976Hz'. Then I feel why not use MPC-BE? (Of course you can use ReClock for several other purposes.)
that would be nice if only a good video clock is needed.
in my case:
r9 270
asus essence STX
i normally have a 23p clock of ~23.97663 so an ok clock but i get a drop every ~25 min
a drop means the clock is to slow it should be 23.976023976... but 23.97653 is to slow?
with a custom resolution resulting in 23.7736 i get a repeated frame every 7-10 h.
the problem with these tweaks is i still haven't found a way to to get a custom 23p and a custom 24p resolution... the 23.976(23.7736) is treated as 24 hz
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I see, in your case video and audio use different clocks (one from the graphics card, one from the sound card), in such a case ReClock would be helpful. (The absolute value of '23.976Hz' is somewhat meaningless, it has to be modified by audio clock.)

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I see, in your case video and audio use different clocks (one from the graphics card, one from the sound card), in such a case ReClock would be helpful. (The absolute value of '23.976Hz' is somewhat meaningless, it has to be modified by audio clock.)
Hi renethx, what is your opinion on best configuration for intel iGPU based hardware?
I've tried almost every media center incl. MediaPortal, XBMC, Plex and MediaBrowser. So far MB is the most promising, but MBT is rather limited in the early stage. MediaPortal 2 is also in beta and the development is really really slow, there is not even native iOS remote yet. Both MP and MBT use LAVF, MBT even allows MadVR which is great for PQ. XBMC is small, powerful and very stable with minimal configuration, but it is based on thick client with no centralized server and no support for streaming. So far, none of the mediacenter can replace PowerDVD and TMT for Bluray playback.
I'm interested to know what is your setup?
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even with HDMI (TV "speaker") i get a repeat every ~20 min. so the system clock is a problem too.
if you have one with multiply hour by default you are just very lucky X.-)
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Hi renethx, what is your opinion on best configuration for intel iGPU based hardware?
I've tried almost every media center incl. MediaPortal, XBMC, Plex and MediaBrowser. So far MB is the most promising, but MBT is rather limited in the early stage. MediaPortal 2 is also in beta and the development is really really slow, there is not even native iOS remote yet. Both MP and MBT use LAVF, MBT even allows MadVR which is great for PQ. XBMC is small, powerful and very stable with minimal configuration, but it is based on thick client with no centralized server and no support for streaming. So far, none of the mediacenter can replace PowerDVD and TMT for Bluray playback.
I'm interested to know what is your setup?
How about MB Server + XBMC with XBMB3C plugin + MPC-BE/PowerDVD? MB Server can be installed on a dedicated media server or an all-in-one system.
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MB server is the key... it lets you do so much more. I love the ROKU support and APP, and the ipad app is awesome too. The iphone app is ok. The web interface is outstanding. I would't want to give up any of these, so I second ReneTHX suggestions. MB3 server is a good foundation for a lot of things. You can use WMC and MB3 Classic if you want DVR and WMC functionality- it looks and works great and you can even set up external players like POwerDVD, or TMT for Disc/ISO support with menus or 3D- and you can set up external player like MPC-HC (or BE) with MadVR/SVP and whatever. If you don't like WMC or MBclassic you have more options. For those that prefer XBMC for whatever reason you can feed XBMC from MB3 server and retain your XBMC interface (called XBMB3C) - and if you want the better player you can still configure external players. Or for those that want to stay in the MB3 family MB3Theater supports MadVR and LAV audio and Vs filters and runs native with MB3 server with a single install and it's very easy to set up. It's only beta still but it's very promising too. And you can even use external players with that too. Lots of options. WMC fans will like classic, XBMC guys will like XBMC (XBMB3C), and MB3 fans will like the MB3 project flagship "Theater" product. All three are good options and all three will support external players too (although MBtheater supports madvr).

I would imagine almost anyone could find happiness with one of those options^. And you can even use them all, in different places. That is the strength of MB server IMO. I could have one of each type of system in my house, or I could have an HTPC that had all three solutions on it and they would work seamlessly. No reason you need to only have 1. Without MB3 server you would lose a lot of functionality and multi product support for tablets, ROKU, phones and all that too. You'd give up transcoding and remote access too. MB3 project is advanced past PLEX at this point.

The ROKU app craps all over the PLEX ROKU app. One last thing left is for MB3 to fix the Fast Forward and Rewind (in process) and after that it's really not a contest which is better. PLEX developers blame the limited ROKU OS code but the MB3 ROKU app in the beta channel proves a lot more can be done with good developers and creative out of the box thinking. I could write a book on the small details the ROKU app for MB3 gets right while the PLEX app gets it wrong. MB3 server does so much more in terms of metadata, notifications, trailers, actors images and bio, metadata management, it has a way nicer user interface too. MB server is clearly better than PLEX server. And I think MB front ends are better than the PLEX front ends generally. At first I used PLEX more because it was straight forward and just works, but recently MB is emerging as the clear favorite - it is also becoming a lot more straight forward and easy to use and set up- and the beta problems are fixed quickly and the project keeps advancing rapidly. XBMC or PLEX never showed the promise that MB3 does, and the lightning fast blitzkrieg of apps and features is amazing and doesn't seem to stop. Even long term hardcore XBMC front end users should find value in MB3 platform.

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