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Old 03-26-2015, 09:09 AM
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at 23p it must be really really painful.
Ok, but .... during the playback of a film (If I can sync the audio) this will not be a problem.
I'm wrong?
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:53 AM
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Ok, but .... during the playback of a film (If I can sync the audio) this will not be a problem.
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yes you can do that. every player should be able to sync the audio. is about 87 ms for gaming mode and over 200 ms for non gaming mode. i have the numbers from here: http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/tx55a...1411073944.htm
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Folks, recent nVidia drivers 350.12 are giving a boost to madVR NNEDI3 performance. At least on my 970, I see a 5-6ms processing time reduction, which allowed me to increase NNEDI3 neurons from 32 to 64, while keeping everything else the same (1080p->2160p). Give it a try

Also, 64-bit madVR is now out
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Folks, recent nVidia drivers 350.12 are giving a boost to madVR NNEDI3 performance. At least on my 970, I see a 5-6ms processing time reduction, which allowed me to increase NNEDI3 neurons from 32 to 64, while keeping everything else the same (1080p->2160p).
Very interesting. The increase of PQ is evident?
The reduction of 5-6ms is with madVR 32bit?


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Also, 64-bit madVR is now out
I use madVR with Jriver...
Do you know If Jriver is avaliable in 64bit version to use the new madvr 64 bit?

last question: Is your GTX 970 overclocked?

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Folks, recent nVidia drivers 350.12 are giving a boost to madVR NNEDI3 performance. At least on my 970, I see a 5-6ms processing time reduction, which allowed me to increase NNEDI3 neurons from 32 to 64, while keeping everything else the same (1080p->2160p). Give it a try

Also, 64-bit madVR is now out
Anyone tried the 64bit? Is there any gain?
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Anyone tried the 64bit? Is there any gain?
software decoding is fast because lavfilter 64 is a lot faster for HEVC.
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Very interesting. The increase of PQ is evident?
The reduction of 5-6ms is with madVR 32bit?
I saw the processing time reduction with both 32 and 64-bit versions of madVR. AFAIK, new drivers support OpenCL 1.2 so that could be where the gains are coming from. I doubt we will see PQ gain by just switching to 64-bit.

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I use madVR with Jriver...
Do you know If Jriver is avaliable in 64bit version to use the new madvr 64 bit?

last question: Is your GTX 970 overclocked?

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I don't know about Jriver, but full 64-bit stack is now available thru mpc-hc+lav+madvr. My 970 is running at stock speeds.


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software decoding is fast because lavfilter 64 is a lot faster for HEVC.
^ This. Some Samsung HVEC 4K videos that were playing like a slideshow before are now running butter smooth with the 64-bit stack of mpc-hc+lav+madvr.
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Aha so in mpc-hc you have cuvid. .. i have there none to free up a bit my 970
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Aha so in mpc-hc you have cuvid. .. i have there none to free up a bit my 970
No I don't have Cuvid. I have None selected. But going from x32->x64 for lav was enough to make those videos play butter smooth.
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Aha so in mpc-hc you have cuvid. .. i have there none to free up a bit my 970
CUVID is just a bad version of DXVA copyback (both have the same performence).

and the hybrid decoder can't do 10 bit HEVC and if i wasn't mistaken lavfilter x64 software decoder is not really slower on a good CPU.
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Folks, recent nVidia drivers 350.12 are giving a boost to madVR NNEDI3 performance. At least on my 970, I see a 5-6ms processing time reduction, which allowed me to increase NNEDI3 neurons from 32 to 64, while keeping everything else the same (1080p->2160p). Give it a try

Also, 64-bit madVR is now out
With the 64-bit madVR, if you use the 64 bit version of daum potplayer, you can stream 4k youtube videos in vp9 (they are higher bit-rate than the h264 equivalents) or any youtube video and they will benefit from madVR's processing such as error difusion.

As for Vimeo I still don't know of a way to live stream them with madVR

Does a 750ti benefit from the new drivers? I hope Nvidia bring out a new 950/950ti with hdmi2, hdcp2.2, vp9 and hevc decoding.
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Does a 750ti benefit from the new drivers? I hope Nvidia bring out a new 950/950ti with hdmi2, hdcp2.2, vp9 and hevc decoding.
Pretty sure it will. I saw 5ms lower render time on my GTX 960 as well.
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need to discuss about settings for MadVr, not too technical aspect cause i'm not a specialist.

My pc is below:

TV Panasonic 55Dt50
CPU Intel i7 4770
GPU MSI nvidia gtx960 Gaming
RAM 16GB DDR3 1800Mhz
MOBO Asus z87

and so on...

I would like to know what setting about scaling algorithm...
AS-IS situation

Profile: "1080p"
Chroma: super-xbr150 + AR
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Image Doubling: Off
Upscaling Refinement: Off
Artifact Removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Image Enhancements: FineSharp (strength: 0.5)
Dithering: Error Diffusion 2

Profile: "720p and SD"
Chroma: super-xbr150 + AR
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Image Doubling: Off
Upscaling Refinement: SuperRes (strength: 1)
Artifact Removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Image Enhancements: Off
Dithering: Ordered


In this situation, the video seems to be a little "jerky"...not so much....but i'd like to know if there some wrong setting..
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need to discuss about settings for MadVr, not too technical aspect cause i'm not a specialist.

My pc is below:

TV Panasonic 55Dt50
CPU Intel i7 4770
GPU MSI nvidia gtx960 Gaming
RAM 16GB DDR3 1800Mhz
MOBO Asus z87

and so on...

I would like to know what setting about scaling algorithm...
AS-IS situation

Profile: "1080p"
Chroma: super-xbr150 + AR
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Image Doubling: Off
Upscaling Refinement: Off
Artifact Removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Image Enhancements: FineSharp (strength: 0.5)
Dithering: Error Diffusion 2

Profile: "720p and SD"
Chroma: super-xbr150 + AR
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Image Doubling: Off
Upscaling Refinement: SuperRes (strength: 1)
Artifact Removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Image Enhancements: Off
Dithering: Ordered


In this situation, the video seems to be a little "jerky"...not so much....but i'd like to know if there some wrong setting..
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need to discuss about settings for MadVr, not too technical aspect cause i'm not a specialist.

My pc is below:

TV Panasonic 55Dt50
CPU Intel i7 4770
GPU MSI nvidia gtx960 Gaming
RAM 16GB DDR3 1800Mhz
MOBO Asus z87

and so on...

I would like to know what setting about scaling algorithm...
AS-IS situation

Profile: "1080p"
Chroma: super-xbr150 + AR
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Image Doubling: Off
Upscaling Refinement: Off
Artifact Removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Image Enhancements: FineSharp (strength: 0.5)
Dithering: Error Diffusion 2

Profile: "720p and SD"
Chroma: super-xbr150 + AR
Image: Jinc3 + AR
Image Doubling: Off
Upscaling Refinement: SuperRes (strength: 1)
Artifact Removal - Debanding: Medium/High
Image Enhancements: Off
Dithering: Ordered


In this situation, the video seems to be a little "jerky"...not so much....but i'd like to know if there some wrong setting..
I really like this guide for well tested settings with MadVR, it's very well laid out and there's a lot of detail on setting vs PC processing power. It's unfortunately not really updated for the newest additions like super-res and superxbr-150 : http://wiki.mikejung.biz/MadVR#madVR..._Mid_Range_PCs

I use 2 different HTPC's with projector setups very regularly and I've researched and experimented with MadVR quite a lot. Aside from maybe seeing what people say about some of the new filters after they been more closely evaluated, I'm really happy with my setup based fairly closely on the above site's info.

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this "guide" has simply wrong informations. i recommend to avoid it if possible.
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this "guide" has simply wrong informations. i recommend to avoid it if possible.

Really ?!? So what the guy the wrote it mistested every thing?? If so jesus a lot of bloody effort to go. Problem right now is not enough people are sharing their experiences with MadVR at its high rate of development making it frustrating as hell for the average person and fan of MadVR to get accurate and up to date feedback without trawling the MadVR thread on Doom9, that rambles on with misc feedback from every man and his dog... We need some serious updates to the guides on this site frankly. I'd like to see people give feedback and see some proper testing of all of the newer MadVR features that have emerged over the last year. There's just too much to play with nowadays in MadVR to spend hours of one's life experimenting with it.
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not everything... but all GPU usage test ignore GPU powerstate... DSR is totally useless for madVR and counter productive. CUVID is just a bad DXVA copyback. yeah rendertimes can look lower with it but is forces the GPU in the highest powerstate. using DXVA downscaling with nnedi3 seriously?
and with this guide i mean this: http://wiki.mikejung.biz/MadVR just to make it clear.


this one is good too:
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If you are using a Nvidia GPU, make sure you are enabling Noise Reduction and Edge Enhancement in the Nvidia Control Panel.
madVR is trying to avoid the damaging algorithm of the GPU but yeah...

try this:
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?...571#pid1966571

the 10 bit output part is not 100% correct but you will survive it. the number of colors doesn't change only the number of steps. and nearly all TVs support 12 bit input that's doesn't mean they can output it.

and this:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...84#post1709584
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not everything... but all GPU usage test ignore GPU powerstate... DSR is totally useless for madVR and counter productive. CUVID is just a bad DXVA copyback. yeah rendertimes can look lower with it but is forces the GPU in the highest powerstate. using DXVA downscaling with nnedi3 seriously?
and with this guide i mean this: http://wiki.mikejung.biz/MadVR just to make it clear.


this one is good too:

madVR is trying to avoid the damaging algorithm of the GPU but yeah...

try this:
http://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?...571#pid1966571

the 10 bit output part is not 100% correct but you will survive it. the number of colors doesn't change only the number of steps. and nearly all TVs support 12 bit input that's doesn't mean they can output it.

and this:
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...84#post1709584
Thanks MH! Glad someone here has posted some up to date info.

Yeah, given folks like myself are already running @ 4K resolution DSR is completely beside the point - but I wouldn't run it even if I wasn't either. CUVID is something that I also hadn't seen anyone else speak about and I admit was a bit of a mystery to me as to why the author promoted it so much. Things like DXVA downscaling I wouldn't really think about much in my own system where there's no material to be downscaled at any time. But yeah it does sound pretty silly.

That post on the Kodi forum is a good guide, I'm surprised I haven't stumbled across it before while setting up Kodi MadVR build. Definitely got a lot of the latest up to date info for MadVR and applicable advice for people running 4K with high end cards like the GTX 980. Great I'm going to have a go at redoing MadVR settings based on this guide tonight.

I've seen that glossary of the MadVR settings on Doom9 also, definitely a handy reference though.

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Hi just asked Nvidia about HDMI 2.0a FW update in a chat and one of their CC reps responded, that Nvidia manufactures only the base chipset of the card, which is then sold to partner companies like Asus, EVGA, XFX, PNY and to some OEMs like Dell, HP, IBM. Nvidia only provides driver updates. However, any firmware/bios update is provided by the manufacturer of the graphics card.
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