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http://www.multichannel.com/technology/samsung-developing-cablecard-retail-video-device/143541

Not sure if this is the right place but this could be an issue for SiliconDust and ceton because Samsung is the 500# Guerrilla in the room when it comes to CE devices. There's no indication on price or whether the EPG will be a monthly or lifetime thing like TiVo but that could make a difference if they are able to monetize it with netflix and Hulu+.

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It's an STB with OTT services added, not a DVR. If it ever becomes one, this is the right forum.

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-05/samsung-to-reenter-cablecard-fray/
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A Samsung electronic guide/user interface would tie it all together

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Still not a DVR - your title is wrong.
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Nothing says it isn't except for blog posts and comments so it remains ambiguous but that said if it were they probably would tout it.

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Dave Zatz knows what he's talking about.
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Maybe but still I have not seen that it isn't a DVR. He says "It looks like just a TV" but that is not definitive. We will see. This could just be VaporWare anyhow.

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Maybe but still I have not seen that it isn't a DVR.

It is NOT a DVR. And it's not entirely vapor as I shot video of it in action. However, it could be scrapped before it comes to market and I can't imagine it'll last long even if it does.

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Knowing Samsung it is likely to put out a first class image. DVR or not, it mayb e a very attractive option in the marketplace and I am eager to see it in action..

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Looks like it will be more like a "smart STB" not DVR. No indication of internal storage.

6 TV's in the house on FiOS and we only pay $4.99/month to connect them all!!! Power to the CableCard and WMC7!!!
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Without a PVR, it is doomed.

If you saw it in action Dave that would be a prototype, no? Still vaporware if the consumer cannot get their hands on one IMHO.

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I can still see a market for such a device. It would replace a cable box and a roku, if you don't already have a smart tv. It would pay for itself in a couple of years and add some value for non-DVR users. I agree that HTPC users like us would have no use for it.

I see the introduction of any new cable card devices as a good thing. If this is successful, then maybe they will make a DVR someday.
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I don't know any non-DVR users..

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Most people I know have no DVRs, mainly due to the high cost. And many of those have their HD cable or satellite box connected to their HDTV with composite cables.
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Most people I know have no DVRs, mainly due to the high cost. And many of those have their HD cable or satellite box connected to their HDTV with composite cables.
Proof that there really are people who don't know what they're missing!
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Most people I know have no DVRs, mainly due to the high cost. And many of those have their HD cable or satellite box connected to their HDTV with composite cables.

That is truly sad.

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I will buy one of these this fall if it is reasonably priced (<$400) if it gets decent reviews, to have a new toy to tinker with and I like to support cablecard devices.
It is nice the see a major CEM looking to deploy a new retail CC device. Hopefully they will offer a DVR version, but I am sure they will not offer a retail DVR.
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I can still see a market for such a device. It would replace a cable box and a roku, if you don't already have a smart tv. It would pay for itself in a couple of years and add some value for non-DVR users. I agree that HTPC users like us would have no use for it.

I see the introduction of any new cable card devices as a good thing. If this is successful, then maybe they will make a DVR someday.

On some cable systems that charge a minimal card rental fee, sure. But on Comcast you'll only save $2.50 a month in many areas because they insist on charging the full outlet fee for each extra card (minus the $2.50 credit for using your own device), so it will take a long time for the Samsung to pay for itself.

I agree that as an STB it will have a limited market and must come in well under $200 to be viable, IMO. It is very sad that Tivo is the only player left in the retail DVR market, I wish Samsung would go there.

Sammy your title should say Samsung Cablecard STB, not tuner or (DVR?)
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I can still see a market for such a device. It would replace a cable box and a roku, if you don't already have a smart tv. It would pay for itself in a couple of years and add some value for non-DVR users. I agree that HTPC users like us would have no use for it.

I see the introduction of any new cable card devices as a good thing. If this is successful, then maybe they will make a DVR someday.

On some cable systems that charge a minimal card rental fee, sure. But on Comcast you'll only save $2.50 a month in many areas because they insist on charging the full outlet fee for each extra card (minus the $2.50 credit for using your own device), so it will take a long time for the Samsung to pay for itself.

I agree that as an STB it will have a limited market and must come in well under $200 to be viable, IMO. It is very sad that Tivo is the only player left in the retail DVR market, I wish Samsung would go there.

Sammy your title should say Samsung Cablecard STB, not tuner or (DVR?)

So you have to pay an "outlet fee"? How much is that? Charter does not charge for this.

I followed your suggestion and changed the title (again).

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Your title is still wrong - it's not a freaking (DVR?), how many more people have to say it? You're engaging in wishful thinking, but as much as I hoped it would be a DVR, it's not. I know, it sucks to be wrong and all that, just get over it.

Outlet charge is $7.45 a month net per card here.
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Your title is still wrong - it's not a freaking (DVR?), how many more people have to say it? You're engaging in wishful thinking, but as much as I hoped it would be a DVR, it's not. I know, it sucks to be wrong and all that, just get over it.

Outlet charge is $7.45 a month net per card here.

No reason to get so excited about it. I'm not engaging in any wishful thinking. As the product isn't even available yet there's now way of saying either way. That said, I'm not going to buy one I'm just glad to see another CableCARD device from a big CE company to help support the format going forward.

Okay. I see how that works.. $9.95 - $2.50..

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I find this very good news!!! I'll buy one as soon as they come out.

Some folks, find ourselves being stuck when it comes to enjoying their cable services in various locations in their homes. My cable company, recently bought out by TW, only offers DVR boxes, whole house DVR boxes/systems, or mini STB's without any type of HD output. So, we either have to buck up for multiple DVR's, whole house DVR's with upgrade, or deal with ridiculous mini-boxes with only an RF output.

For a $2.50 fee for a cablecard/month and an HD HDMI ouput, sign me up!!! I already have an HD-DVR, I just want a cablecard compatable HD box to view ALL HD cable content in another location. Bring it on, Samsung!! biggrin.gif
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If it did have DVR capabilities it would be pretty intriguing, but just as a vanilla STB, I don't see it having any sort of impact.

But I guess we can assume that, besides being a DVR, that it might also be a motorboat, and deep-fryer, because it doesn't explicitly say anywhere that it isn't a motorboat or deep-fryer. rolleyes.gif

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Maybe they plan to offer cloud based DVR service... hmmmm!!

http://www.boxee.tv/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-03/samsung-acquires-startup-boxee-to-add-connected-tv-set-top-boxes.html

That would be really messed up that they are shutting down the Boxee TV Cloud DVR service on July 10th and then start up their own leaving the few poor souls who bought the Boxee TV without any DVR functionality.
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I never did understand the boxee "cloud" dvr. You record locally then upload a very large mpeg2-ts to the cloud, thereby consuming all of your limited upstream bandwidth??

Anyhow-kinda sudden and I feel bad for the poor souls who bought a boxee DVR which will soon be rendered useless.

I am still excited about this new retail STB.
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Wow, hadn't realized that they announced that. Samsung is looking to be a player with distribution of content. They have something up their sleeve for sure.
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I don't know about Samsung...but I have analyzed my TV viewing habits over the past few years, and I'm starting to realize that I watch less and less TV every year. There just isn't enough "good" stuff to watch.

And since most studios allow you to stream shows after a day or two of airing...I'm very seriously considering just canceling my cable subscription. The only thing I use it for is news.
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Me too if it weren't for sports..

As a matter of fact I'm about to sit down and watch last night's angels game that I missed because I was a friends birthday party.

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Placed my preorder tonight. Lets see when it ends up shipping, though it should be fairly soon if they want to make this christmas holiday season.
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