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Guys and gals,

I am looking to replace TV and HTPC with single Smart TV unit.
Things I want this TV to be capable of:
1. Have full internet access
2. Able to connect to my network drive via WiFi and play movies from it
3. Be able to watch Netflix
4. Be able to watch YouTube

Few weeks ago I purchased Samsung 8000 46" TV from Costco, and I can say that I not happy with it at all. It will go back to the store.
Things I didn't like about this TV.
1. Since I don't have any cable TV I would want TV to start up in the "Smart Hub" when it wakes up instead of me pushing the button on the remote control all the time and then wait for the hub to start.
2. It is very slow (I think it is little outdated version of the 8000 series), it is only dual core.
3. The WiFi antenna or card that build in has very bad reception. Yes, TV is on the other end of the house from the router, but my HTPC (just regular laptop that I turned into media player) had no problem playing movies from my network drive. The TV always have a problem playing movies from the network drive and constantly loosing connection and forgets the network when it crashes when it can't play content from the network drive.
4. The remote control is bad. Why not give a small keyboard build into the remote control? Instead if I need to type something its a gruesome punching one letter at a time, moving an arrow to the right key on the virtual keyboard. 5. TV crashes most of the time when it is trying to play content from the NetFlix. I think this problem is too due to the pool WiFi antenna.

Anybody had a better experience with other TV models and brands?

Thanks.
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Which Samsung 8000 did you get, the ES (2012) or the F (2013) one?
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I want a "dumb" TV with a power connector and one HDMI input; no tuner, no speakers. The funny thing is, to get just a monitor you end up paying more I think. But really with an HTPC connected to the TV why do you need all these apps?

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Guys and gals,

I am looking to replace TV and HTPC with single Smart TV unit.

I think you posted in the wrong forum. rolleyes.gif
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I want a "dumb" TV with a power connector and one HDMI input; no tuner, no speakers. The funny thing is, to get just a monitor you end up paying more I think. But really with an HTPC connected to the TV why do you need all these apps?

I agree. I want a dumb high quality TV for cheaper than the smart version. Unfortunately you can't trade in the "smart TV" and multiple useless ports for cash.

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I abandoned the use of 'smart' functions on my Samsung long ago, due to slowness and a poor GUI. Wireless is pretty much a no-go for any smart TVs. I do use the Netflix function on my Sony, which I find to work pretty well, but it lacks 5.1 sound. Using either TV for watching home content is a waste, Samsung being slow and locking up, Sony too limited in format support. I'd rather go dig up a CD than browse the music interface.

Standalone players or HTPCs seem to still be the best approach. Maybe some newer Bluray players have speedier interfaces, but from my experience they tend to provide a result similar to the TVs.
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I have a Samsung UN55D7000 55" Smart TV (2011 series). At best, the Netflix experience on it is terrible. Everytime they make an update to the smart hub, the thing gets slower and worse. We use the smart features for Pandora and Hulu and that is about it. These work pretty good, and it has a Plex app that I used to use that was decent.

The TV did come with a remote that has a full keyboard on one side. However, the keyboard portion connects via bluetooth and can't maintain a connection.
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I want a "dumb" TV with a power connector and one HDMI input; no tuner, no speakers. The funny thing is, to get just a monitor you end up paying more I think. But really with an HTPC connected to the TV why do you need all these apps?

That is what we were after, but best prices are usually on "smart TVs" So, we bought one, it is being used as a monitor.

6 TV's in the house on FiOS and we only pay $4.99/month to connect them all!!! Power to the CableCard and WMC7!!!
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but my HTPC (just regular laptop that I turned into media player) had no problem playing movies from my network drive.

If you are using keyboard and mouse to play movies, it is just a laptop connected to the TV, HTPC uses 10' interface and is controlled solely via a remote control.

Set up a proper HTPC, and you will not need a smart TV.

6 TV's in the house on FiOS and we only pay $4.99/month to connect them all!!! Power to the CableCard and WMC7!!!
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Which Samsung 8000 did you get, the ES (2012) or the F (2013) one?

I got this one from Costco - UN46ES8000F.
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The whole idea of having "smart tv" was to eliminate any additional devices near that TV. I just want a clean cut look of a TV on the wall and nothing else. Don't want cables, TV stands, power cords, etc. In my thoughts, Smart TV would just make a clean look, that is all.
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The whole idea of having "smart tv" was to eliminate any additional devices near that TV. I just want a clean cut look of a TV on the wall and nothing else. Don't want cables, TV stands, power cords, etc. In my thoughts, Smart TV would just make a clean look, that is all.

I suppose it would look good on the wall but how do you plan on watching it?

It is possible to have a clean installation but it just that, an installation.

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I want a "dumb" TV with a power connector and one HDMI input; no tuner, no speakers. The funny thing is, to get just a monitor you end up paying more I think. But really with an HTPC connected to the TV why do you need all these apps?

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I agree. I want a dumb high quality TV for cheaper than the smart version. Unfortunately you can't trade in the "smart TV" and multiple useless ports for cash.

+1 on this.

I pay more for tv's with the best picture but have no intent of using any smart features.
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Guys and gals,

I am looking to replace TV and HTPC with single Smart TV unit.

Unfortunately I agree that you will have better luck with this question in either the LCD forum or the Plasma forum. Most of the people who monitor this thread have chosen a different solution than what you want.

Your initial post does a good job of specifying the features you want and why you did not like the Samsung. If you have size or budget constraints, you may want to list them as well. Also tell them that you will be using the TV speakers, not a soundbar or speakers, and that you do not care about 5.1 sound, and that you want to access the TV using Wi-Fi-only. All of this info is to help people give you better suggestions.

All that being said, I have 1 comment and 1 suggestion. The comment is that I love the picture quality on my Panasonic ST60, but you will not be happy with the remote and I think the TV speakers are sub-standard for the price (I use an AVR and separate speakers). I don't think any of the Panny plasmas will make you happy until you get to VT or ZT lines, which are expensive compared to the rest of the market.

The Suggestion. A much more ambitious solution is to setup an equipment closet or possibly an area at the back of the room and use a RF remote (does not need a line of sight to the equipment) to control a Blu-ray player/PS3 (HDMI cable to TV) that is hard wired to your router or hard wire the router to the TV (Cat6 to the TV). Run 1 RedMere HDMI and/or 1 CAT6 in-wall rated cable(s) from there to the TV.

You will likely be opening up a hole in the wall by the TV for the power cable anyway and a wired connection (as opposed to Wi-Fi) is going to give you much better results. You may be able to find a Blu-Ray player/PS3 that gives you all the Smart functions you are looking for with a better remote.

Good luck.
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UN46ES8000F.

Samsung F8000 has a QUAD-CORE CPU and the NEW Samsung SMART TV ...all reviews say it`s a great tv

Samsung has completely revamped its Smart TV interface on its 2013 TVs, with a focus on user-friendliness. The new platform, combined with the faster quad-core-processor, is a huge improvement over the previous platform. Navigation is smoother, TV apps launch faster and everything just feels snappier.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1371125593
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un60f8000/4505-6482_7-35566921.html
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Samusng smart tv might work for you since, it has mots of apps including the Plex app. However, I do not think it would work over wifi well. I've treid to stream DVD rips over it, and it was very choppy. I've also tried streaming, over ethernet, 1080p bluray rips with uncompressed sound, and tv could not handle it.

My suggestion would be to use intel NUC or Gigabyte Brix systems. They are tiny and designed to sit behind the tv, I think brix even has mounting bracket so you can attach it to backside of tv.

If you dead set on not using htpc, you might also want to check out Samsung's smart tv evolution kit, which supposed to improve build in smart tv functions.
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I would never buy a tv based on its "smart features". Picture quality always come first, everything else is a distant second.
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Loving my Samsung PS51E8000 plasma. It may have 2012's Smart interface, but I don't have any problems with it at all. I do like the look of the 2013 interface, but as I have the Evolution Kit option on mine, I can just connect the module to the back of the TV and get all the latest features, and as Samsung will be releasing Evo kits every year, I can just upgrade when I want.

I would def agree though, don't use the Smart features over wireless. I've wired mine, and it's soooo much more responsive.
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