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Just noticed that the current 1150 Mobos are limited to a total of 6 Sata ports total, not just 6.0 ports.
Anyone have or see a mobo that might have an additional Marvell chip to allow 2 more for a total of 8 (even if they are 3.0)?

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OK, not looking hard enough. Looks like they're limited to some higher-end Z87 boards.
So, I guess there's your reason to get into Z series boards for Haswell.
H and B series seemed to be capped at 6 for the time being.

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Just noticed that the current 1150 Mobos are limited to a total of 6 Sata ports total, not just 6.0 ports.
Anyone have or see a mobo that might have an additional Marvell chip to allow 2 more for a total of 8 (even if they are 3.0)?

What size motherboard?
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Any. from what I can see, be it ATX or mATX. Looks like only available on the Z series and ATX.

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Any. from what I can see, be it ATX or mATX. Looks like only available on the Z series and ATX.

That's correct.
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The cheapest LGA 1150 mb that has more than six SATA ports is ASRock Z87 Extreme4, $140, then ASUS Z87-PLUS, $164. Both use ASM1061 chip. A cheap standalone ASM1061 chip card is SYBA SY-PEX40039, $17. So in a sense the lack of extra SATA port is no biggie.

Cheap ASRock LGA 1150 mb has 6 SATA ports and Intel Gb LAN, while cheap ASRock LGA 1155 mb has 8 SATA ports and Realtek Gb LAN. Some people may prefer the former to the latter.
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I'm surprised, that's all. One of the knocks on the intel 7 series was only 2 native SATA III ports. But usually augmented with around 4-6 SATA II ports.
The 8 series upped the native SATA III count up to 6, but no SATA II.

AMD has long had 8-10 available SATA ports since the AM3 - 7 Series chipsets (c. 2006).

The only mATX 1150 board I could find is the ASUS Maximus VI GENE @ $210.

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Asrock Extreme 4 Z87 biggrin.gif

8 SATA ports
INTEL LAN
Good memory controller and good performance
Dual slots for video GPU and run x8 Sata card (if you wanted 16 Sata ports tongue.gif )

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Precisely speaking, B85 has 4 SATA 6Gbs + 2 SATA 3Gbps. H87 and Z87 have 6 SATA 6Gbps.

The number of SATA ports supported by 8 Series chipset is the same as 7 Series chipset (6). It's up to each mb manufactuer whether extra SATA ports are added.
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One of the knocks on the intel 7 series was only 2 native SATA III ports. But usually augmented with around 4-6 SATA II ports.

Not true at all, unless you are living in ASRock world. tongue.gif There is no B75 / H77 chipset mb that has more than 6 SATA ports, except for ASRock. You still have to look for expensive Z77 chipset mb if you want more than 6 SATA ports. What's happening with ASRock mb does not imply "usually".
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AMD has long had 8-10 available SATA ports since the AM3 - 7 Series chipsets (c. 2006).

Only the latest A85X chipset for Trinity / Richland APU supports 8 SATA ports. All the other AMD chipset supports only 6 SATA ports like all Intel chipsets. AMD chips have been inferior to Intel, one way for mb manufacturer to sell AMD mb is add extra features such as third-party SATA chip at lower cost (AMD chipset itself is cheaper than Intel, of course), that's why.
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I stand corrected.

You are correct that the Native SATA count remains at six.

I guess I'm just used to board Mfg's adding additional chips to support additional ports.
I have an additional 6.0 port on my ASUS H77 board (P8H77-M Pro) for a total of 7.

Only my MSI B75 board has a mere 6.

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I have an additional 6.0 port on my ASUS H77 board (P8H77-M Pro) for a total of 7.

I overlooked it.
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The cheapest LGA 1150 mb that has more than six SATA ports is ASRock Z87 Extreme4, $140, then ASUS Z87-PLUS, $164. Both use ASM1061 chip. A cheap standalone ASM1061 chip card is SYBA SY-PEX40039, $17. So in a sense the lack of extra SATA port is no biggie.

I was curious about compatibility & Newegg has the chip card for $9.99 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045
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I was curious about compatibility & Newegg has the chip card for $9.99 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045

You want or need this? Ill send you one for the cost of shipping

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I was curious about compatibility & Newegg has the chip card for $9.99 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045

Compatibility with what?
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Compatibility with what?

I thought I should the check the requirements. From the Syba website.
http://www.sybausa.com/productInfo.php?iid=1104
Booting compatibility differs with older Motherboard BIOS. If your motherboard SATA ports use ASMedia chipset, this will be bootable with no issues.
However if using Marvell SATA onboard chipset, you may not see the disks connected to be bootable.

I looked at some Newegg reviews & saw this response from the manufacturer.
Manufacturer Response:
Dear Customer,
You may be using a PCIe revision 1.0/1.0 slot. In order to reach SATA III 6Gb/s bandwidth, this card requires to be seated into a PCIe revision 2.0 or 3.0 slot.

Those are 2 concerns I have to look into.
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Booting compatibility differs with older Motherboard BIOS. If your motherboard SATA ports use ASMedia chipset, this will be bootable with no issues.
However if using Marvell SATA onboard chipset, you may not see the disks connected to be bootable.

These remarks matter only when you want to boot from a disk connected to the card. But why boot in such a way? Just boot from a disk connected to the chipset. smile.gif

Unless your mb was manufactured in 2010 or ealier, PCI Express x1 slot is 2.0. Even if it is 1.x, there is no bandwidth problem (at least for HDD):

PCI Express 1.0 x1 lane: 2.5Gbps in each direction = 2.5Gbps/(10bit/byte) = 250 MB/s in each direction,
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The cheapest LGA 1150 mb that has more than six SATA ports is ASRock Z87 Extreme4, $140, then ASUS Z87-PLUS, $164. Both use ASM1061 chip. A cheap standalone ASM1061 chip card is SYBA SY-PEX40039, $17. So in a sense the lack of extra SATA port is no biggie.

I was curious about compatibility & Newegg has the chip card for $9.99 after rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124045

I use this card for one of my data drives (or maybe even the PPU in my FlexRAID array) in my HTPC, no problems.


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