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Hi guys,

I'm looking for a NAS device which either I can build or buy. It needs to be able to stream across two 1080p movies at the same time as my kids watch in lounge and the adults tend to watch in the living room. I don't mind building a NAS if it saves me money as I do have a very tight budget. I don't know what such as a NAS would cost, so please give me an idea.

So my requirements are:-

1. A NAS that can stream two 1080p movies
2. Has at least 2 drive bays
3. Can be built or bought and don't mind if I had to purchase a USED one if it works out cheaper.
4. Low wattage & RAID would be a bonus.

What good-review devices or components can you highly recommend?
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If you want something plug/play, I'd look at Synology NAS's... I have a DS2413+ model and love it - it will do exactly what you want and much more.
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Hi tgrinch and thank you for your reply.

At first I got excited, but then I almost had a heart attack as the DS2413 costs over a £1200! eek.gif I only need a 2 or 4 bays max and can't afford more than a few hundred pounds at the most!

I don't mind building a NAS if it saves me money!
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Stream using ethernet cabling i presume?

If you just want a out of the box solution that works i would go with a 2 bay Synology DS213J.
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Is the DS213J powerful enough to play two 1080p movies? Yes it's ethernet cabling.

If it saves money, I would rather build a NAS as it then gives me flexibility too.

If I could kindly ask for your assistance in building me a low-power NAS that can handle two 1080p movies, then I would be most grateful:-

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/
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I looked at premade NAS boxes like the HP N40L/N54L but once I thought about future expansion and read some of the threads here, I realised I could build something more powerful for not much difference over the HPs and cheaper than some of the Synology's. Here is my suggestion, similar to what I built.

mobo: Asrock H77 Pro4 MVP. 8 Sata ports, 1 for OS, 1 for parity, 6 for media. ($110)
CPU: Intel G1610 ($45)
RAM: 4G 1333MHz ($40)
OS: WHS2011 ($50)
RAID: Flexraid ($40) or Snapraid (free)
PSU: You only need 300W or so, so look for a reputable brand locally ($60 max)
Case: Coolermaster N300 ($50)

Prices are Australian, so some googling will get you prices for Blighty: I included them to give you an idea on costs. You need to add a HDD for the OS, but if you plan it on 24/7 a 500G spinner would be fine and cheaper than a SSD. Of course you need to add media drives, but a sextet of 3TB ($138) will give 16.2TB (~2.7TB formatted x 6). Parity drive will need to be the same as the largest media drive.
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Thank you very much. These are the types of suggestions I'm looking for. Can this handle streaming two 1080p movies?

The other issue is that I can't find the Intel G1610 processor. Also what type of power would it use, considering many NAS devices use less than 15 watts on idle?

I was wondering if I could ask you to use this site to help me build the right NAS: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

Thank you
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Streaming two 1080p movies is no problem for modern hard drives.

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Thanks for clarifying this Mrkazador.

Can you confirm something else for me please?

Lets say I've got a NAS and I've connected a portable media player, such as WDTV Live or Raspberry Pi...If I play a movie, are these two media players streaming the movie directly from the NAS or are they copying the files into their RAM and then playing?
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I'm not sure how these media players work but I assume they have some kind of buffer so its not playing directly from the NAS. Also, you don't need a very powerful cpu to stream 1080p movies so find one that is cheap and low powered.
 

Here is the Intel G1610

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637g1610

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Thank you very much. These are the types of suggestions I'm looking for. Can this handle streaming two 1080p movies?
Yes. I have no need to do it but others such as assassin and Mfusick have reported more 1080 streams than this at once.
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The other issue is that I can't find the Intel G1610 processor. Also what type of power would it use, considering many NAS devices use less than 15 watts on idle?
I doubt it's a whole lot more than that at idle, but haven't measured it. Also, do you need it on 24/7? I'm not home most of the day, so I put mine to sleep, likewise when I'm sleeping, unless it's doing some other task, eg parity calcs.
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I was wondering if I could ask you to use this site to help me build the right NAS: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

Thank you
Asrock H77Pro/MVP
RAM
G1610
PSU
Case
Media/parity drives
OS Couldn't find WHS2011 but W7 will do fine.
Flexraid
Snapraid

Got to goto work.
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Thank you so much mate. Really appreciate it. I know you must be thinking that I'm a bit crazy over the power consumption, but the UK is the most expensive in Europe, when it comes to consumption of energy, so in the long-term I might save a bit too.

Your right in saying that I may not leave it on 24/7, but I will be running it at least 8am to 12 midnight everyday, which is as good as, lol!

I have been comparing a few cpus that either have good power, price or cheaper to run and the celeron does come out well, although it's power consumption is also high:-



1. I was just thinking if it's worth me going for the Pentium G630 as it consumes only 35w or will that not be able to handle two 1080p movies simultaneously?

2. What do people mean when they say that they will combine LACP and is it any help to speed for streaming?

3. Could I get away with using a Pico PSU? Heard they step down power much better.

4. Is there anyway I can reduce the size of the case as it's a full atx? I was looking for preferably a mini-itx or a micro-atx - If I had a choice of these two, then I would go for either Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced or Fractal Design Core 1000 or you could recommend me another case.
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I use a AMD Regor 260 and when streaming a single 1080p movie my cpu usage is between 0-1%. It doesn't take a whole lot to stream a movie, its just reading the data off the hard drive.

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Right, but what is LACP and what do people use it for?
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2. What do people mean when they say that they will combine LACP and is it any help to speed for streaming?

LACP (Link Aggregation Control Protocol) combines multiple physical ethernet links into 1 logical link and provides a degree of load balancing
It can be used to deal with traffic hogging for things like backups to the server.
Typically this is done between the server and ethernet switch.

Stations equipped with SSDs can overwhelm the link going to the server during backups and may affect the streaming if left unchecked.
LACP can be used to deal with it and is really necessary only if you intend to do 10 or more uncompressed bluray streams (>500Mbits/s)

I use LACP to handle dropout problems with recording TV shows over network connected TV tuners like the HDHomerun and Ceton Eth6.

These are extremely sensitive to congestion on the network and I have had recording dropouts and
occasionally compete loss of due to things like the nightly backups to the server and the DLNA devices like the TV
doing their nightly media indexing of content on the server.
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Thanks very much for explaining tong. Would LACP help me with streaming speeds? Also how do I use it? Do I need new hardware for it?
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Thanks very much for explaining tong. Would LACP help me with streaming speeds? Also how do I use it? Do I need new hardware for it?

No, it prevents other things that might eat up the bandwidth of the link going to the server from affecting the streaming.

Given your initial requirements, it is unlikely to become a consideration unless recording TV shows to the server from a station and use network connected tuners like the HDHomerun or Ceton ETH.

In order to use LACP, the NAS must support it, it needs a minimum of 2 ethernet ports, so cost is a consideration, the switches must support the protocol as well.
I was initially looking for switches with large packet buffers to solve my network tuner dropouts issues.

The switches I ended up with were managed devices which had LACP, so I started using it.
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Right i see. The thing is that i installed plex on my current pc, just to see how it streams to my Samsung ES6710 Smart TV. The movie played fine, but I'd get the odd buffering and also i couldn't ff/rew without the movie freezing or Pausing for long periods of time. So how do i make it speed this process up?
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Thank you so much mate. Really appreciate it. I know you must be thinking that I'm a bit crazy over the power consumption, but the UK is the most expensive in Europe, when it comes to consumption of energy, so in the long-term I might save a bit too.

Your right in saying that I may not leave it on 24/7, but I will be running it at least 8am to 12 midnight everyday, which is as good as, lol!
I pay 24.5c/kWh (~14.4p), so I understand the desire to reduce power costs. Don't you love subsidising all those bird chomping eco-crucifixes?
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I have been comparing a few cpus that either have good power, price or cheaper to run and the celeron does come out well, although it's power consumption is also high:-



1. I was just thinking if it's worth me going for the Pentium G630 as it consumes only 35w or will that not be able to handle two 1080p movies simultaneously?
55W is it's maximum power consumption when being used at full capacity. As Mrkazador explained, you use barely anything to simply read off the disc and the newer CPUs generally improve power consumption with each generation, so later is better.
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3. Could I get away with using a Pico PSU? Heard they step down power much better.
Not used them myself, so I'm sorry, I dunno. My guess is it will be OK. The Cooler Master site has a PSU calculator. Use green drives for HDD as it's more representative of what current units consume (~6W).
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4. Is there anyway I can reduce the size of the case as it's a full atx? I was looking for preferably a mini-itx or a micro-atx - If I had a choice of these two, then I would go for either Cooler Master Elite 120 Advanced or Fractal Design Core 1000 or you could recommend me another case.
Use whatever case you want. I was rushed for time earlier, so I simply used the filters to select the one that could take 8 HDD. If you use an SSD, you can tape it to a convenient surface inside the case, and 5.25 to 3.5" converters to use those spaces. It depends upon how many you want space for. Search for cases that look OK for your needs and link them and we'll comment.

TBH, I am far from a computer expert, though I have 30 years in electronics.
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Right i see. The thing is that i installed plex on my current pc, just to see how it streams to my Samsung ES6710 Smart TV. The movie played fine, but I'd get the odd buffering and also i couldn't ff/rew without the movie freezing or Pausing for long periods of time. So how do i make it speed this process up?

If the PC and the TV are the only things connected together then it is unlikely to be a network bottleneck.
You might try to move the movie onto a SSD on the Plex server and see if the seek/ffwd times improve and to find out if the disk on the Plex server is the bottleneck.
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Thank you very much A9X and Tong. I really appreciate you guys trying to help me with this. Here is where things will now get complicated....eek.gif

My Current Setup at Home is:-

BEDROOM/OFFICE:-
1 x PC - used for gaming/video-editing etc

LIVING ROOM:-
1 x HTPC - used by kids for school and for watching 1080p movies as it's connected via HDMI to a Sony Bravia LCD TV and Sony Amp via optical lead running from PC (But the pc is now broke and needs replacing!)

LOUNGE:-
1 x 4 port Virgin Media Router, which provides 60mb broadband to the house
1 x Samsung ES6710 Smart TV
1 x PS3

WIRELESS DEVICES:-
Android Mobile Phones

PLEASE NOTE: The PC's and the Samsung Smart TV are all linked via ethernet to the Virgin Broadband Router.



Now since the Living room HTPC is broke, I desperately want to use this opportunity to create some sort of a CENTRAL STORAGE/SHARING/DISTRIBUTION SOLUTION that is much neater, where myself and my family can access/stream photos, HD videos and access other files.

BUT the kids still need a basic pc for their school homework and general browsing.

So Really, I'm looking to purchase/build:-

1. A NAS for central storage/movie streamer which will be on 24/7
2. A basic cheap pc that has at least the same power as my previous htpc.
3. A portable media player, such as WDTV Live or Raspberry Pi



What can you recommend? Do you suggest that I use a different idea?


Thank You

PS: Please give ALL your suggestions, even if means changing the whole layout!
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So Really, I'm looking to purchase/build:-

1. A NAS for central storage/movie streamer which will be on 24/7
2. A basic cheap pc that has at least the same power as my previous htpc.
3. A portable media player, such as WDTV Live or Raspberry Pi

1: Done
2: What's your current PC?
3: Can't help with this as I don't use them.
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If you look at the diagram I've posted in post #21, it has spec of the HTPC in the Living room.

Note that this HTPC is now burnt out and I've sold the remaining parts to a friend.
I have kept:-

Samsung 1tb hdd and the 19" Acer monitor + keyboard/mouse.

I need a pc that is about the same spec as what i lost - as cheap as possible. It will be used for kids homework, i.e. word, excel, browsing and the odd viewing of 1080p movies, hopefully directly from the NAS we build smile.gif
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what is the question ?

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The NAS question has been resolved thanks to everyone's advice, but still need help with:-

Building a basic cheap pc that has at least the same processing power as my previous htpc.

The old HTPC (Living Room) specs are in this picture:-

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I can't see that tiny print on my cell phone...

But how serious of power do you need ? Do you want to do MadVR, SVP, or the advanced stuff or just playback 1080p videos with a simple integrated XBMC or mediabrowser player ? What front end?


My idea of Basic Cheap is:


Pentium G1610 $35
Asrock Mobo $69
4GB DDR3 1600mhz $35
Silverstone Milo-3 HTPC case $59 (I like this case looks and it's nice for this price)
Rosewill Capstone / Seasonic 360watt/ MKIII/ Antec Neo PSU $40 (get a deal on whatever you find)


Total cost about $200-$250 depending on case and PSU and sale prices you can get.


For $110 you can get a i3-4130 1150 socket Haswell- (coupon code: kickoff10 for $10 off)
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=I3-4130BOX

That's a good lower midrange solution - a bump in CPU speed and also Haswell has better GPU and frame rates.


The G63220 is still a better value IMO: ($63.99)
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=G3220BOX

You choice is this: DO you want to go with a $35 CPU like the G1610 on socket 1155 (now dead socket) and use a 75/77 motherboard (possibly $10 cheaper) and go with a sub $300 build. OR- Can you stretch from $200-$250 range to say $260-$310 range and go with a modern socket 1150 build (+$20 for CPU and +$10 for motherboard)

If is was me I would go socket new 1150

G3220 Haswell CPU for $64
Asrock MOBO for $79

Instead of the G1610 1155 CPU and the $69 Motherboard on older socket 1155

Decisions Decisions..... biggrin.gif

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-139-049&nm_mc=EMC-GD091113&cm_mmc=EMC-GD091113-_-index-_-Item-_-17-139-049&

This is a cheaper PSU if you really want to go cheaper

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Thanks very much mfusick...I really appreciate it. Just out of interest, how come not many choose AMD cpus? Examples are such as A8 or A10 cpus?
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Not the cheapest option- but if I was going to spend my own money today on a budget build this is what I would get:

CPU:
Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220 $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116950

Motherboard:
ASRock B85M Pro4 LGA 1150 Intel B85 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $79.99 (HAS INTEL LAN )
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157388

RAM: ( You can go 8GB for 10% off and get better if you want to step up)
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBXL$41.99


SSD:
OCZ Vector Series VTR1-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227915

Case:
SILVERSTONE Black Aluminum skin reinforced plastic front panel, 0.8mm SECC body MILO Series ML03B Micro ATX Media Center / HTPC Case $59
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163174

PSU:
Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-SB 450W ATX V2.2 Power Supply $38
+ 15% off w/ promo code EMCXLXP27, ends 9/12

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182075

SeaSonic 80 Plus SS-350ET Bronze 350W ATX12V V2.31 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - OEM $43.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151077

CORSAIR CX430M 430W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $25 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049

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