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Suggestions on a 400 Watt modular PSU

I’ve been wanting to upgrade my orginale OEM power supply
Was waiting around for the PC cooling
http://www.bing.com/shopping/pc-power-cooling-silencer-mk-iii-ppcmk3s400-power-supply-400/p/B2F3C11BFFE73DD70001?q=PC+Power+%26+Cooling+Silencer+Mk+III+PPCMK3S400&lpf=0&lpq=PC%2bPower%2bCooling%2bSilencer%2bMk%2bIII%2bPPCMK3S400&FORM=EGCA&lppc=16
to go on sale now looks like NE has discontinued it.

So it looks like I’ll be waiting out Antec on the next sale.

http://www.frys.com/product/6977427

Unless you experts have a suggestion.

I expect to power 4 SATA HDD, 1 BD burner, MOBO

Plan on spending around $45.-$50. or less shipped I'm hopping this next Black Friday will have some good sales. However when I searched slichdeals the last sale was during the summer 5-18-12 so do PSU have a time of year when they go on sale?

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Rosewill Capstone makes a decent modular option (it's a superflower OEM model) that goes on sale often.

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nice suggestion this looks better than the first two I link to it even has a AC power cord however won't 450watts be to much for a HTPC?

w/ this 140mm fan will help keep sys. temps down?

I guess I got caught up in the better econical PSU have the Japenses capasitors.

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If you go with the Rosewill, you might as well look at the Corsair builder CX series as well. Often hitting $20AR for the 430W PSUs. Superflower vs Channelwell ??

Sadly, 200W is too much for an HTPC, but there aren't really any quality standard ATX options for low power. Most end up with pico or an odd form factor low power unit

The first link you have is a great quality PSU, with it being OOS (discontinued) at newegg you could look for a Seasonic (manufacturer of the PCP&C MKIII). My ranking would be Seasonic > Antec > Channelwell/Superflower
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The Corsair CX 430M (Modular)
Lowest I think I've seen it for was $25 AR, Currently $40 AR ($50-$10 MIR) + $4 S/H

The Non-Modular frequently goes on sale for $20 AR

Guts are Channelwell.

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The Corsair CX 430M (Modular)
Lowest I think I've seen it for was $25 AR, Currently $40 AR ($50-$10 MIR) + $4 S/H

The Non-Modular frequently goes on sale for $20 AR

Guts are Channelwell.
I have looked at this The Corsair CX 430M modular however it only has 2 SATA connections I'm wanting to connect 4 HDD.

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I have looked at this The Corsair CX 430M modular however it only has 2 SATA connections I'm wanting to connect 4 HDD.

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Well, it says that in the description, but those are actually 2x modular sata power connections to the PSU. Each of those cables have 2 sata connections, so it's ready for 4x out of the box.

Since you're looking for 5 you might need these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812400127

Lots of people around here use that type of cable in their servers, but it all comes down to price and what you are looking for. For $25AR + $7 cable you would be just fine. Wiley was correct, I was thinking of the non-modular $20AR (which are still somewhat rare, it's usually $25).
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Probably should have read this more carefully, but what are you looking to "upgrade"

Are you adding a GPU? What is your OEM PSU rated for (in Watts)? Is it overly loud?
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Actually, the CX 430M has 2 SATA modular cables, each with (2) SATA Connectors for a total of (4) SATA power connectors.
Enough for all the hard drives, but then the BluRay loses out.
Sorry, I was confusing it (430M) with the non-modular CX 430 which has (6).

The Corsair CX 500M has (5) SATA connectors.

Normally I'd say get a 4 pin Molex to SATA adapter, but not with a Modular PSU.

A quick glance at NewEgg doesn't seem to have many of the lower power modular PSU's. I could have sworn Silverstone had a 400 or 450 watt modular, as well as OCZ.

Do you really need Modular? I have a regular Corsair CX 430 stuffed into a Silverstone MILO 03 (ML03 B) Case. There's pleny of room for cable management even in a lot of small cases.
To be honest, I never felt that the Modular PSU's were worth the price Premium unless you really needed it.

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Probably should have read this more carefully, but what are youAre you adding a GPU? What is your OEM PSU rated for (in Watts)? Is it overly loud?

looking to "upgrade" the orginale OEM in my prebuilt PC it's 300watts no it's not loud.

After reading up about OEM PSU and how substandard they are thought it to be a good idea to upgrade to a well made PSU and keep the OEM as a spare.

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So just get a Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, etc. PSU whenever one of them goes on sale.
Then a get a zip tie, or velcro wrap for any extra connectors that go unused, so you can tuck them out of the way neatly.

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There goes the savings of buying a pre-built OEM system...

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In my experience many of the "modular" PSUs are only partly modular and don't really save much room.

Make sure you know what you are buying.
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There goes the savings of buying a pre-built OEM system...

I'm torn between them.

On my desktop I use a full modular PSU ($200) and I do appreciate the space savings and neatness of the design.

But from a practicality stand point I simply don't want to incur that type of cost in most builds (server or HTPCs)

I used a Rosewill Capstone in my server and specifically chose the cheaper non modular version. Newegg offers both but non modular is cheaper. In my Norco 4220 server case I don't think it would have made any difference as there is plenty of room. Also there is space between the PSU and chassis wall where I could easily tuck the cables I didn't need to use (sata wires, GPU power etc ).

On my HTPC I used an Antec Neo 400 watt, it's non modular too. The decision was also price motivated, as the Antec was on sale for $29 and it seemed a good value.

Long story short I have lived with both and while I can appreciate the modular benefits its really not needed. On a budget that's tight it's better to skip it if it costs more.

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will a brand new PSU be smelly when first turned on and during the breakin period?

if yes how long doe's the smell linger.

as far as losing any savings on the prebuilt first off I got a $650. PC for $375. free shipping, so I save off the bat.

second the OEM PSU will be used to power a couple of exhaust fans for my TV cabinet also a TV back light so it will be used for lite duty.

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So just get a Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, etc. PSU whenever one of them goes on sale.
Then a get a zip tie, or velcro wrap for any extra connectors that go unused, so you can tuck them out of the way neatly.
I kindof want a modular because I have 6 SATA ports on the MOBO

two are unused would like to connect two more internal HDDs externalley (outside the case) by drilling a hole in top of case. Remember my PC is unsean inside a cabinet behind the TV.

These two extra HDDs will be inside a plastic box w/ a fan so theres another fan the old OEM PSU can power. what do you think of my plan?
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just pulled the trigger on this corsair, hopefully they will honor the rebate. will the rebate card come from NE along w/ PSU? or will it be emailed where I have to print it or in the USPS regular mail from corsair?

will report back w/ before and after images of tideing up the cableing.

?1.I have recently been getting messages from W7MC of loss of power or malfunction thus the scheduled recording started then stopped then continued and a few case's the recording never took place doe's this sound like the OEM PSU is failing?

?2.still curious about will a brand new PSU be smelly when first turned on and during the breakin period?

?3.Planning on mounting it upsidedown w/ fan on bottom my OEM PSU bottom has a couple small slites to suck air in w/ a fan on the back, w/ a much larger opening on the bottom of the Corsair will decreace Sys. temps.?

?4. would it be a good idea to initailly plug the PSU into the AC wall socket on it's own and run it for a while befor installing into PC?
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Corsair has been real good about honoring the rebates. I have received back for every one I have submitted, for Cases, Memory, CPU Coolers, Case Fans, and PSU's.
Just follow the instructions verbatim.

I see what you mean on where the rebate is. Usually there is a direct link on the product page.
Click HERE.

It's the 2nd one down.

Regarding the PSU being "Smelly", there's nothing to worry about. If you have some sort of allergy, that may be a different story, but aside from that it will smell like any other new product out of the box. Shouldn't last long.

Yes the large opening for the fan will suck out hot air from the system, and is very quiet.

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excellent about the computer PSU not gonna be smelly, last weekend I bought a brand new preasure washer to clean the back patio and dam that electric engine stunkup the area.


Still waiting on responses for ?s

?1.I have recently been getting messages from W7MC for recorded TV of loss of power or malfunction (I've never sean this message before and the AC power was never interrupted from Power co. if it did my electric clock would be blincking at 12 o'cloclk) thus the scheduled recording started then stopped then continued and a few case's the recording never took place doe's this sound like the OEM PSU is failing?

Parsheale answer.
?3.Planning on mounting it upsidedown w/ fan on bottom my OEM PSU bottom has a couple small slites to suck air in w/ a fan on the back, w/ a much larger opening on the bottom of the Corsair will decreace Sys. temps.?

?4. would it be a good idea to initailly plug the PSU into the AC wall socket on it's own and run it for a while befor installing into PC? for the following reasons
1.make sure w/ multimeter it's working and putting out correct voltage
2.will not go up in smoke.

remember this will be my first PSU installation I want to take every precaution and hopefully I won't ruin my PC when connecting it.
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1) Possibly. Sounds like that is the case, but also possible that there is another problem.

3) Yes, it will suck out hot air, and thereby decrease system temps by assisting the dissipation of heat. However, this answer is conditional on the rest of the airflow within the case.

4) It's up to you. If you want to test the PSU prior to installing it, pick up something like THIS, or be sure to jump the pins and plug into the wall. I'm less inclined to recommend it for a branded PSU, but you never know.

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1) Possibly. Sounds like that is the case, but also possible that there is another problem.
Agree, that it's possible. What type of tuner are you using? If PCIe, did you add any extra PCIe cards to your setup recently? Graphics card, sata controller, etc?
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4) It's up to you. If you want to test the PSU prior to installing it, pick up something like THIS, or be sure to jump the pins and plug into the wall. I'm less inclined to recommend it for a branded PSU, but you never know.

It's so rare that I'd call it "beyond unlikely" to fry your system from a PSU swap.

I've never tested any of the PSUs that I've bought (including the one you are purchasing), but I've tested a couple that I thought may have been faulty. Here is the paper clip method (from Corsair biggrin.gif) http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/testing-your-corsair-power-supply/
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1) Possibly. Sounds like that is the case, but also possible that there is another problem.

3) Yes, it will suck out hot air, and thereby decrease system temps by assisting the dissipation of heat. However, this answer is conditional on the rest of the airflow within the case.

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3.actualley I was curious about the compairsion like the OEM only has a couple small slites to suck air in compaired to the Corsair w/ it much larger open area sucking in air.
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Agree, that it's possible. What type of tuner are you using? If PCIe, did you add any extra PCIe cards to your setup recently? Graphics card, sata controller, etc?
It's so rare that I'd call it "beyond unlikely" to fry your system from a PSU swap.

I've never tested any of the PSUs that I've bought (including the one you are purchasing), but I've tested a couple that I thought may have been faulty. Here is the paper clip method (from Corsair biggrin.gif) http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/testing-your-corsair-power-supply/
I have the Haugpage 1600 PCI type TV tuner and have'nt touched it or added anyother PCI device since the initial installation.

Nice link on testing a PSU will diffenity test it before connecting to the MOBO. I just happen to have a fan w/ 2 types of AC power connections 1.3 pin and a molex so I'm thinking I won't need the 3 pin to molex adaptor used in the Corsair write up?

Lasty for right now what duration of time should I allow this test of the PSU one hour , one day or a few days?

edit: what size paper clip is used in the writeup it appears to be a smaller paper clip?
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- I think it is safe to say that YES, the corsair will probably be better at exhausting hot air. But understand that the more important factor is airflow.
Being in the south, if the air temp in the room the computer is in is 100 degrees F, and the temp in the computer is 100 degrees, Fan size doesn't matter. There should be air going in to the case, and Air exiting the case. And preferably the air entering the case should be cooler than the air inside the case.

- On the Case Fan, the 3 pin connector typically connects to the motherboard (If you motherboard has a connector for it), else, you'll have to connect the fan to the PSU with the 4 pin Molex connector.

- If you are going to test it, 5 minutes should be an ample time to find out if the PSU is faulty.

- Any standard size paperclip will do.

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I was concerned that a larger paper clip (there are small and a little larger clips ) would strech out the connector.

I have a case fan connected to MOBO and the case's air inlet is a few small slites on bottom of front case.

I was actualley planning on running the PSU test for a week just to make dam sure. how much of a load will a small fan put on the PSU?

edit:
my 24 pin MOBO and CPU cable will be very short can I stuff the extra in this
open area? this area is real close to the 24 pin connector just above the HDD
cage.


Edit thinking if I get a 4th HDD then I could use this.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200061

doe’s my MOBO power the PCI slots though the 24 pin connector or doe’s the OEM PSU have a PCI power wire?
I tried to look at the Acer site for specs however this Acer manuel is no longer
Available.


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You're over-thinking this...A lot.

Please, do not test the PSU for a week. If you do currently have a faulty PSU, there is a greater potential for you to do more harm to the other components by leaving in that faulty PSU.

Corsair (as well as the maker of the PSU, Channelwell) are well regarded companies that make good products. I understand your concern about wanting to test, but if the PSU is bad, it will almost immediately fail. The jumper method (Paperclip) is not meant to be used in a long term state. It is a quick way to fire up the PSU without connecting it to the Motherboard, or installing it into the case. The potential is there to do damage to a brand new PSU.

If you need to, you can also purchase something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812189063 to add more fans, without using the 4 pin molex adapter.

And yes, if you do need to add additional drives down the road, you can use the Molex to Sata adapter.

You can place the excess cables anywhere you like, where they will fit. Try to keep them away from fans, and (if possible) the case sides, to eliminate noise/vibration. Use zip ties, or even twist ties to keep the cables out of the way.

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Step 1: Remove old power supply
Step 2: Install new power supply
Step 3: Carry on doing things the same as before step 1.
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The problems caused by a flaky PSU can manifest nearly anywhere, and they are a bitch to diagnose. It's just not worth dealing with a bad or suspect one if you want to stay sane. As bryansj says, unplug the old one. Plug in the new one. Move on with life.

All the connectors are keyed and only plug in one way. All the wires just make it look much more complicated than it really is. If you are unsure, make a list of what you disconnect and check off the list when you put in the new one.
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While agreeing with the previous 3 posts, I'd offer an extra tip and an answer to one of your questions
  1. Yes, your motherboard powers PCI slots through the 24 pin connection, and some cpu/chipset settings through the 8 pin connection. Occasionally GPUs, HBAs, and other PCI cards have extra power requirements beyond what is provided through the motherboard. You will be able to identify this with ease when you remove the old power supply (because you have to unplug them from the PSU). Some have small, flat 4 pin fan connectors that can run from the PSU or Mobo, but most mid-range and higher GPUs have a 6-pin (or dual 6-pin) PCI connection that you have to power off your PSU. Most slim-fanless GPUs don't require any extra power and run with what the mobo provides through the PCIe lane
  2. In addition to the molex-sata adapter that comes with your PSU, you could order either of these for sata->4sata or molex->4sata. The one in your Corsair box will be molex->2sata (or at least that's what came in mine) Newegg link (Only if you need more than you have available)
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Corsair has been real good about honoring the rebates. I have received back for every one I have submitted, for Cases, Memory, CPU Coolers, Case Fans, and PSU's.
Just follow the instructions verbatim.

I see what you mean on where the rebate is. Usually there is a direct link on the product page.
Click HERE.

It's the 2nd one down.

Regarding the PSU being "Smelly", there's nothing to worry about. If you have some sort of allergy, that may be a different story, but aside from that it will smell like any other new product out of the box. Shouldn't last long.

Yes the large opening for the fan will suck out hot air from the system, and is very quiet.

Good Luck!
recieved new PSU and dam this thing smells bad right out the box even the box smells bad airing it out in the garage.

I was hopping the images at the Corsair site where true (that each SATA wire had 3 SATA power plugs) they don't NE was correct about each wire having only 2 plugs.

NE said they would include a rebate card (they did'nt) guess I'll ignore that and just use you'r link
print out form
use my code
phsicalley mail form, UPC and sales reciecpt

I think I got lucky because I ordered on Tuesday when the rebat was $10. on Thrusday the rebate went up to $20. when I click the rebate link it said $20. rebate when purchased between 10-8-13-10-13-13.

I'm taking you Guy's advice no long term testing just a 5 minute test DOA test.

one more ? look at the image above the SATA power wire from the OEM PSU it appears to be a molex connecter w/ two SATA power plugs if this is true then I'm thinking this wire can be reused for additionalle SATA connections correct?

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recieved new PSU and dam this thing smells bad right out the box even the box smells bad airing it out in the garage.

What kind of smell? The general factory floor smell is normal, even if it is quite strong. The problem scents are ammonia (burst caps), ozone (arcing), burnt plastic (damaged insulation), or burnt graphite (damaged fan), but these are very distinct and specific.
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