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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/835055-REG/HGST_0S03359_4TB_Deskstar_Coolspin_3_5_.html

It seems pretty good but I haven't been following prices for a long time to know if it's a good deal or not.

Now that xmas, boxing day, etc is closer, do you think it's better to wait for those or just get some now?


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What price do they have it listed at?
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$152. Over the last weeks, I haven't seen 4TBs at this price, but I am not sure if they will go lower than this due to other deals.
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Before the flooding causing the price hike in hdd prices, you could get 2tb for $60. Prices have recently started to fall back down again. Personally I am waiting out till BF to jump on the 4 tb. I expect $120-$130 to be the sweet spot.
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$150 for a 4tb is a good deal IMO
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NewEgg shows that model as discontinued. I would stay away from it just in case it was discontinued for a reason.

EDIT: OK, something strange is afoot. The B&H website says this:
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HGST 4TB Deskstar Coolspin 3.5" SATA III Internal Desktop Hard Drive Kit
The 4TB Deskstar Coolspin 3.5" SATA III Internal Desktop Hard Drive Kit from Hitachi...

but HGST is a Western Digital company:
http://www.hgst.com/hard-drives/internal-drive-kits/desktop-drive-kits


EDIT: It appears WD bought HGST (formerly Hitachi Global Storage Technologies). Not sure what its future holds. I also cannot find how many platters it has, but it shows that it only has 443 Gb/sq. in. and the 1TB platters used by the Deskstar and Cinestar models have 569 Gb/sq. in. I suspect there are at least 5 platters in this model instead of 4 platters.
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Yeah 800GB platters x 5 = 4000 (4TB)

it's 5 platters of 800GB (not 4 platters of 1TB)

But I have a Seagate 4TB that is also 5 platters and it's not much (any) different than the 4 platter versions now. One few or more platters is not worth $30+ IMO, but if price is close get the fewer platter design. Most 4TB are $180+ right now. If you can find a Seagate 4TB with 1TB platters for a like price I would get that instead.
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Thanks guys I didn't realize it was 5 platters. I wonder if the prices will go down like you guys hope because the flood was long ago but it still seem to have an effect.
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It is still a good buy if you need storage now. If not, then waiting is a good choice as the prices will only go down with time (unless there is another major disaster).
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I have 1 Hitachi 5400 RPM from just after WD bought them. Solid drive. 4TB has been around $200/each for quite a while - I've seen a few $150 deals. I'm balancing my storage needs at the moment to buy time - I want 2 4TB drives for an external box - so would rather go with WD Reds - but not at over $200/each. My hope is the next 3-4 months sees a nice price lowering.
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Fingers crossed for Black Friday. I scored a couple of 3TB Seagate desktop-class drives for $89.99/ea last year. I just need 1 x 4TB this year and with sales of 4TB drives around $150 I am hopeful.

BTW, it's just under 5 weeks until Black Friday. Crazy.

 

 

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Fingers crossed for Black Friday. I scored a couple of 3TB Seagate desktop-class drives for $89.99/ea last year. I just need 1 x 4TB this year and with sales of 4TB drives around $150 I am hopeful.

BTW, it's just under 5 weeks until Black Friday. Crazy.

Great deal - I maxed out from Amazon and Newegg last year.

That's how I got my server started.

I can't believe it is this soon either. If 4TB show up for $100ish I might consider upgrading my parity (dual) and adding a few.

I'm still debating if 4TB is good idea for flexraid though...

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Here's an interesting combo deal at Newegg that makes each 3TB drive effectively $87.50/ea if you buy a Samsung 120GB SSD at the regular price of $99.99.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1455644

So, 2 x 3TB Toshiba 7200RPM drives for $175 ($87.50/ea) + $99.99 for the Samsung 840 120GB SSD.

 

 

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How do you guys buy multiple drives on black friday? Normally they limit it to 1-2 per customer, right? Is there a way to bypass this?
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How do you guys buy multiple drives on black friday? Normally they limit it to 1-2 per customer, right? Is there a way to bypass this?

Newegg had the 3TB Seagate 7200.14's on sale $89 limit 3 per customer. I grabbed three. Then I got one more at Amazon.

You would need to create a new email account to purchase more.
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How do you guys buy multiple drives on black friday? Normally they limit it to 1-2 per customer, right? Is there a way to bypass this?

Last Black friday newegg has a limit of 3 inittially and then dropped it to 1 (this is all on Wednesday). But, newegg's ebay store had a limit of 5.

Also, Best Buy had the same drive, but in a USB enclosure for same price. Limit was imposed on line, but you could make multiple separate orders. And when I walked into the store late afternoon, they had stack of them, so, I grabbed a few.

As to OP, I would wait until BF to see what's going to be out there. A lot of BF deals start on Wednesday, all day Thursday. So, start checking on Monday.
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I'm still debating if 4TB is good idea for flexraid though...
I may regret this but would you mind sharing why you are debating this?
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I may regret this but would you mind sharing why you are debating this?

It already takes a long time to calculate parity or do "VERIFY" and "VALIDATE" with Flexraid. It basically takes the amount of time it takes to read all your data off all your drives simultaneously. Usually this means for whichever HDD is the slowest or most full. Currently I can get all this done in a nightly update at 2am when I am sleeping and it is done by morning. But I have faster than average 7200rpm Seagate 3TB drives that read and write at good speeds. If I went with a slower 4TB HDD's they read about 30MB/sec slower- which is not a huge deal on it's own. But also would need to read 1TB MORE DATA too. So 30MB/sec slower for a 5400rpm or 5900rpm HDD over an entire 4TB of stuff is going to take longer.

My fear is it might take too long if I go up in size and down in speed.

IDK ??

Just a debate I have with myself.

Since I have a 20 bay Norco server chassis I have enough room for more drives. I already installed two SATA HBA x8 cards and all my 20 bays are hooked up and working. So far I have been able to buy 3TB drives that are faster and still good on energy for $99 each or less ($33 per TB) I even bought a couple at $79 each, and $89 each. I've never been able to buy 4TB as cheap so that's the primary reason I did not do it yet. I have not upgraded my parity to 4TB, it is only 3TB. I can only add up to 3TB without upgrading my parity drive larger at the same time.

If I see an amazing deal on 4TB drives I might upgrade both my parity drives, with 4TB and add one or two more 4TB as data drives. I could also take my current parity drive and make it a data drive and gain even more space.

I just worry about how much longer it might take to do parity updates, or restore a drive. Restoring a full 4TB is going to take a while.

Flexraid and software raid that uses snapshot really works better (best) with more drives that are faster and smaller. This cuts down on the time it takes. The bigger and slower the drive the longer it's going to take. Just how it works.

Bigger isn't always better. More space is better, but bigger drives are not always better. Not from a performance standpoint. A couple fewer drives would save me a couple dollars in electricity though. (I don't really care about a few dollars)

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Thanks guys. So they don't care that you are shipping them to the same address? I didn't know newegg had an ebay store.

As for bestbuy/FS, can you buy some and then come again right after and use a different check out person? I never bought anything on black fridays to know about it smile.gif

Also by usb enclosure you mean the external HDDs? There is no way to salvage them as a bare drive, right? I don't understand why externals are cheaper than internal. External has more stuff.
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You use an email adress when you place orders. You would need to do a different account to make a purchase past the limit. I've had luck using a second account, different credit card, different email, and noting "second floor" on the address line or adding A and B making it seem like an apartment (I have a single family home and it gets delivered just the same)

Or you can ship to a family member or friend. That works easy too.
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Thanks that makes sense. I have someone in the same apartment I can ship to. I can pay with paypal and credit card.

Do they also enforce them in the store? I mean the worst you can do is either visit multiple stores or just wear a hoodie, hat, mix it up I guess. I just need about 10 4tb to have good enough space and move everything I have (20+ tb) smile.gif
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Also by usb enclosure you mean the external HDDs? There is no way to salvage them as a bare drive, right? I don't understand why externals are cheaper than internal. External has more stuff.

Except for some Toshiba drives, most externals are just internals with a USB to SATA controller. Crack the case open, and harvest the drive.

With Externals, I found that sometimes you get longer warranty on the bare drive itself vs external, when you plug in the numbers on Seagate website.
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Just a debate I have with myself.

Since I have a 20 bay Norco server chassis I have enough room for more drives. I already installed two SATA HBA x8 cards and all my 20 bays are hooked up and working. So far I have been able to buy 3TB drives that are faster and still good on energy for $99 each or less ($33 per TB) I even bought a couple at $79 each, and $89 each. I've never been able to buy 4TB as cheap so that's the primary reason I did not do it yet. I have not upgraded my parity to 4TB, it is only 3TB. I can only add up to 3TB without upgrading my parity drive larger at the same time.

If I see an amazing deal on 4TB drives I might upgrade both my parity drives, with 4TB and add one or two more 4TB as data drives. I could also take my current parity drive and make it a data drive and gain even more space.

I just worry about how much longer it might take to do parity updates, or restore a drive. Restoring a full 4TB is going to take a while.
I figured that was the case but wanted to make sure I wan't missing something. I'm running all 2TB drives in my media server currently and I wanted to skip 3TB and make the jump to 4TB when I needed space. I bought a couple spare 2TB Hitachi drives right before the flood for ~$55 each by stacking a bunch of deals/rebates at Newegg. That has allowed me to hold off on expansion for a while but I had to give in over the weekend and I got a pair of Toshiba 3TB retail drives plus a 32GB flash drive for $200. I would have liked to skip the 3TB capacity but that seems to be the current sweet spot for $/TB and I couldn't wait for Black Friday/Cyber Monday to get a good deal on a 4TB drive.
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Except for some Toshiba drives, most externals are just internals with a USB to SATA controller. Crack the case open, and harvest the drive.

With Externals, I found that sometimes you get longer warranty on the bare drive itself vs external, when you plug in the numbers on Seagate website.

I agree with this. I also learned an important lesson with the 4TB Hitachi's this past week, do not move data to them still in the enclosure if you plan on harvesting the drive later, they have a chip in them that makes them usable to ALL versions of Windows and if you later remove the drive and hook it to a Win7 machine that natively supports 4TB you won't see the data any longer, you see 1 useable partition and 2 RAW partitions on the drive, hook it back up through the external controller and it's all there mad.gif lesson learned.

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At least you still have the data to move somewhere else and begin anew. smile.gif
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Thanks guys, I didn't know the externals really did have the same exact bare drive inside. Then why are they cheaper than internals? Do any of you get these externals on purpose and then salvage the drives? They are generally 5400-5900 rpm if I am not wrong, right?
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At least you still have the data to move somewhere else and begin anew. smile.gif

Yup comfortably sitting on a drive in my FlexRaid array, I went into disk management, gave it a drive letter then copied the data to the new 4TB that I actually put in the machine this time, lol. When I was done I did a replace within the array and all is well. I still have 1- 2TB and 1- 3TB left to upgrade.

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Thanks guys, I didn't know the externals really did have the same exact bare drive inside. Then why are they cheaper than internals? Do any of you get these externals on purpose and then salvage the drives? They are generally 5400-5900 rpm if I am not wrong, right?

http://blog.backblaze.com/2012/10/09/backblaze_drive_farming/

It isn't just end users that do this.

If you care about what model drive you get, read the SMART data before shucking the case and voiding the warranty/return policy. Some hdd tools have trouble reading this data over usb, but I have found smartctl to work reliably.
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Thanks guys, I didn't know the externals really did have the same exact bare drive inside. Then why are they cheaper than internals? Do any of you get these externals on purpose and then salvage the drives? They are generally 5400-5900 rpm if I am not wrong, right?

My Hitachi's have all been 7200 RPM drives, I got them during the last NewEgg deal.

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Y'all saw the Newegg deal for 3TB @ $87.50/ea I posted above, right? There are a few of those combo deals, some with processors, SSDs or even flash drives.

 

 

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