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Are there any good low profile video cards that are able to run MadVR at a high level?

I'm thinking about a new HTPC build with the Silverstone ML04 case, but it looks like GPU is going to be a challenge.

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HD7750 is probably the best you will find.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202002
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I missed that one. Good find, Thanks.

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HD7750 is probably the best you will find.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202002


You want 7770 minimum and probably actually 7790+

Reference ReneTHX charts.

At max levels on some content a 7750 will stutter.

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I personally have had my eye on this LP Card:
GIGABYTE GV-N640D5-1GL

But, unfortunately there are not a lot of performance reviews.
It uses DDR5, but has only a 64-bit memory interface.

Anyone using something similar?

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You want 7770 minimum and probably actually 7790+

Reference ReneTHX charts.

At max levels on some content a 7750 will stutter.

You're right, the 7790 I have in my other PC works great, and I'd love to get another one. Unfortunately I'm space constrained in the cabinet I want to put another htpc. Unless I can figure something else out, I'm going to be limited to a half height video card in a smaller form factor case. I can't seem to find any decent case that would allow me to use a riser flip a full size card over. So, I think I'm stuck.
The only other option that I can come up with would be to build another full size rig, put it in the basement and run the video over an HDMI extender. Not my first choice.

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7750 will handle film at level 5. Question is do you have any video?




Edit: Need to give Renethx credit for his great work and charts.

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Mostly film. Some video. That's good to know. I think I'll try holding it around 4. I didn't notice that much difference between 4 and 5 anyway.

One other question for all the gurus around here, would I be able to run SVP on somethign like a i3-4130 or will I need to jump up to an i5 range?

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Probably on level 3 or 4 but 5 will be hard especially combined with MADVR 5

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Good point. i5 it is.

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The most modern Haswell i5's like 4670k should do well.

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Might sound like a dumb question but whats the difference between film and video?
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Film is 23.976fps and video is 59.94fps which needs a faster graphics processor because there is 2.5 more frames to process each second.
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Film is 23.976fps and video is 59.94fps which needs a faster graphics processor because there is 2.5 more frames to process each second.

Yup. ^ Good explanation (simple) I'll thumbs up that. tongue.gif

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To clarify it is really 2.5 times the number of frames to process each second.
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I guess now you want two thumbs up... you are getting greedy tongue.gif
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No. I re-read my post and just wanted to make it more precise.

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Just wanted to chime in with my questions.
1/ Can I buy HD 7770 or 7750 card and it fits with my current Corsair 430w? My HTPC only has 1 SSD (no sound card) with CPU Intel Pentium G3220.
2/ If not, should I replace current Intel Pentium G3220 by a Intel Core i3-4340 Haswell HD Graphics 4600 and it does the same performance (runs MadVR at a high level) as good as HD 7770 or 7750 card?
Thanks for your input.
(Sorry OP, just I don't want to create another new topic) smile.gif
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1) no problem with a 7770 and 430w

2) 7770 will beat the 4600

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For basic HTPC use no card pulls 430 watts. If that were the case, my 7850 would have smoked my power supply by now and it barely brakes a sweat. I think it pulls about 40 or 50 watts, max under full load of processing 1080i Cable TV content.

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renethx shows a I3-3225 and HD7770 level 5 1080i video at 96W

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renethx shows a I3-3225 and HD7770 level 5 1080i video at 96W

I was taking a shot at it based on what I see on my machine but I don't doubt that number at all. It may be peak and not average or something. Still it is a far cry from the multiples of 100 watts that all these cards say they need. I think that is for high frame rate 3D gaming and not watching TV.

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Just wanted to chime in with my questions.
(Sorry OP, just I don't want to create another new topic) smile.gif

No worries. All good questions.

Just going to update for posterity (because technology never changes rolleyes.gif ). I got a tip from another user recommending this card: Zotac GeForce GTX 650 This looks like the best bet for a solid level 4 maybe level 5 in a low profile card.

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Just wanted to chime in with my questions.
1/ Can I buy HD 7770 or 7750 card and it fits with my current Corsair 430w? My HTPC only has 1 SSD (no sound card) with CPU Intel Pentium G3220.
2/ If not, should I replace current Intel Pentium G3220 by a Intel Core i3-4340 Haswell HD Graphics 4600 and it does the same performance (runs MadVR at a high level) as good as HD 7770 or 7750 card?
Thanks for your input.
Thanks, guys. Hold on, don't close the topic yet.
Last questions.
1/ Just found a good deal on Saphire HD 7770 card at $80 AR (deal for today only). Is it reliable for a HTPC? Any other better card if you would pick one? I'm on the fence to pull the trigger.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011
2/ If I buy a HD 7770 card, I wonder if my current CPU Intel Pentium G3220 is a bottleneck that will slow down the system when I play bluray 3D iso movies. Is that true? Should I upgrage my CPU to (at least) i3? In fact, I don't want to spend more money on CPU, but...
Once again thank you.
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Thanks, guys. Hold on, don't close the topic yet.
Last questions.
1/ Just found a good deal on Saphire HD 7770 card at $80 AR (deal for today only). Is it reliable for a HTPC? Any other better card if you would pick one? I'm on the fence to pull the trigger.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202011
2/ If I buy a HD 7770 card, I wonder if my current CPU Intel Pentium G3220 is a bottleneck that will slow down the system when I play bluray 3D iso movies. Is that true? Should I upgrage my CPU to (at least) i3? In fact, I don't want to spend more money on CPU, but...
Once again thank you.

The only problem I see is that a 7770 is very close (barely enough) for video on Madvr5 If you reference ReneTHX charts as suggested you notice an ** indicating it's mostly enough, but also suggesting a 7790 is a better/safer choice.

The cost difference should be $10 more for the 90 level card if you catch a sale right. I'd try to find a 7790 if you can do it.

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Didnt want to open up a new thread, I am also looking for a low profile ati card. I cant find the 7550 anymore. I noticed they are now pushing some low profile R7 250 models, I found an xfx version on newegg but people report its way to loud. I seen club 3d announced one and so did saphire. But i cant find them anywhere and very little info.

Now i live in canada, does anyone know where to find these models or when they might be released? I cant find them in main stream american retailers either for what its worth.
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this would be a great upgrade for my 3yo HTPC, just yesterday for the very 1st time in 3 years the wife commented on the stutter due to video frame issue.

so instead of building 2 whole new HTPC's i was figuring i could get away with 2 new graphics cards.



edit: so it appears i am looking for a Low Pro 7790 which is a R7 260 or better.



1 case that i have is full size the other is low pro - so a R7 260 will work in the full size case.
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Theirs a low profile 7790?

If you meant to type 7750 does anyone know where to find these yet?
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Theirs a low profile 7790?

If you meant to type 7750 does anyone know where to find these yet?

Not yet, but the 7790 / R7 260x is what we are looking for, plenty of them in full size cards.

There was a conversion chart that renethx put together to tell what a 7750 turned into R7 2xx?


I need to search for it again.


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What information do you want? Volcanic Islands = Radeon R-200 Series:



(Source) TechPowerUp says, however,

- R7 250 = Cape Verde PRX = HD 7750 (a current model)
- R7 240 = Cape Verde (LE?) = HD 7730 (a current model)

HD 7970 consumes 200W or more at video playback / gaming, so does R9 290X (only 10W reduction of TDP: 260W --> 250W) or R9 280X (this is a reworked 7970, with a better TDP of 190W). So a single slot card is impossible. Or go with a liquid cooling. smile.gif
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I think it's the R9 255 that is Cape Verde "PRX", no? The 250 is Oland, the 250X is Cape Verde XT, and are both R7s. AMD is really throwing people for loops here with having R9s and R7s with the same numbers--the R9 260 is probably the worst name given there's an R7 260 as well (same number). Though I think these two are essentially the same (?). These two new R9 parts are supposedly OEM only though.

Also confusing things is the fact that "Curacao" (in the 270/270X) is essentially the same thing as Pitcairn--why'd they go and rename that?!?

Mind boggling.
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