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post #1 of 36 Old 11-11-2013, 10:00 AM - Thread Starter
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Buyer Beware! Avoid the new Haswell chip for HTPC. The integrated graphics option of the HD4600 with windows 8.1 is a mess.

First, the driver loses the HDMI connection whenever your receiver switches inputs OR powers off. The only way to get HDMI audio to return is to completely reboot the machine with the receiver powered on and set to the correct input. IF you don’t believe me that this is a SERIOUS issue, head over to the Intel Graphics Community to view all the posts.

Second, the driver graphics chip fails to provide a 7.1 Surround option in windows. The best option available is 5.1 surround and that is completely unacceptable.

DO NOT DO INTEL HASWELL FOR HTPC!
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That's odd. My latest Haswell build works just fine. Even with 7.1 surround.

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the driver loses the HDMI connection whenever your receiver switches inputs OR powers off

I've seen people with this issue using AMD/NVIDIA/Intel, nothing specific
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Maybe the issues are specific to Win 8.1 only?
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Agreed that issues seem specific to 8.1.

However, the 5.1 surround limitation is not specific to windows 8.1
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works on windows 8.1? you can turn off the avr and not need to reboot?
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I must have skipped over the Win 8.1 mention. My build was on Win7 x64.
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Yeah this processor was used in my latest build with Win 7. No problems through my Denon receiver and 5.1.
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And yet another reason not to switch to Windows 8 for a HTPC.
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My Haswell build has 7.1 audio with Windows 8.1. I've also not experienced any particular HDMI issues, but I don't turn stuff off much, so might've skipped the issue.
Your post sounds more like FUD then actual factual reporting.
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I must have skipped over the Win 8.1 mention. My build was on Win7 x64.

And no reason for it to be otherwise..

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My post is not FUD.

Head over to the Intel graphics community and Stevia plethora of folks who have posted the same issue.

I am trying to let the community know that if you plan to build a new HTPC with Windows 8.1 and haswell you will face obstacles
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The same can be said of practically anything. smile.gif

It's probably better to say just avoid Windows 8. But then, I made the decision to avoid that horrid pile of, yes, well, a long time ago.
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My post is not FUD.

Head over to the Intel graphics community and Stevia plethora of folks who have posted the same issue.

I am trying to let the community know that if you plan to build a new HTPC with Windows 8.1 and haswell you will face obstacles

Keep in mind that you are responding to a top developer who I think knows his stuff and the limitations of most, if not all, current hardware.

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The same can be said of practically anything. smile.gif

It's probably better to say just avoid Windows 8. But then, I made the decision to avoid that horrid pile of, yes, well, a long time ago.

Win8 is a good OS, but it offers nothing of value over Win7 for HTPC use, other than fast boot times. You can get fast boot times if you use an SSD in the Win7 build, though, so no need for Win8 in a HTPC at all. I look at Win8 like using a Raptor HDD as your storage drive. Sure, it has speed benefits, but for HTPC use it brings nothing to the table.
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Buyer Beware! Avoid the new Haswell chip for HTPC. The integrated graphics option of the HD4600 with windows 8.1 is a mess.

First, the driver loses the HDMI connection whenever your receiver switches inputs OR powers off. The only way to get HDMI audio to return is to completely reboot the machine with the receiver powered on and set to the correct input. IF you don’t believe me that this is a SERIOUS issue, head over to the Intel Graphics Community to view all the posts.

Second, the driver graphics chip fails to provide a 7.1 Surround option in windows. The best option available is 5.1 surround and that is completely unacceptable.

DO NOT DO INTEL HASWELL FOR HTPC!

One build does not tell a complete story, you should post your problems and ask if anyone is experiencing the same thing.  I am for avoiding win8 on HTPC though.

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My post is not FUD.

Head over to the Intel graphics community and Stevia plethora of folks who have posted the same issue.

I am trying to let the community know that if you plan to build a new HTPC with Windows 8.1 and haswell you will face obstacles

Do you realize that you are talking about a month old graphics driver? Is that any reason to completely avoid a new chipset altogether?

All W7/W8 Intel graphics drivers have been identical up until October of this year, so either roll back to 15.​31.​17.​3257 or if it won't let you then roll back to W8 until things get sorted out. Or head over to the intel forum you seem so certain about and flame away. I'm more concerned with fixing issues by reporting bugs, pasting logs, etc than continuously complaining about things that you could workaround temporarily or help support an overall fix
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Anybody else has the same build please post your experience. I plan to build my new HTPC at about Black Friday time. The news made me scared. Or should I consider a AMD build with A6 6400K? Thanks.
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I am not understanding the problem.... But I've build plenty of Haswell Machines. I'm using one now biggrin.gif
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I am not understanding the problem.... But I've build plenty of Haswell Machines. I'm using one now biggrin.gif

Sounds like a Win8.1 graphics driver issue on the latest version released. If I was building a new HTPC I would be buying Haswell.

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As someone without Haswell, I can confirm it's a Win 8.1 issue rather than related to the CPU. Sadly, despite a raft of complaints, MS hasn't fixed a damn thing since the issue was discovered months ago. I really like Win 8 (I'm probably alone, I know), but the HDMI audio issue is a serious pain.
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So if we stick to Win 7, everything should be ok with Haswell?
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" win8 "
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I never experienced the first problem listed by the OP.

I don't have a 7.1 system so I can't comment on the second issue.
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I will be putting in a haswell nuc shortly into a 7.1 system, so any feedback is greatly appreciated!
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I will be putting in a haswell nuc shortly into a 7.1 system, so any feedback is greatly appreciated!

Yes - Install Windows 7. biggrin.gif
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My Haswell build has 7.1 audio with Windows 8.1. I've also not experienced any particular HDMI issues, but I don't turn stuff off much, so might've skipped the issue.
Your post sounds more like FUD then actual factual reporting.

Ditto. My new HTPC/Server is 8.1. I turn off my receiver when not in use, no problems at all, so I think a little less drama is in order
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I also have this issue. I am using Win 8.1 with a Asrock Z87 MB, i5-4670 on the PC. I then am connected via HDMI to a Pioneer SC-1222k receiver. The Pioneer receiver is then connected to an Epson 5030 projector. If I turn off the receiver, when I turn it back on, no HDMI audio is detected on the PC. It requires a reboot.

Its interesting to note that with the Intel HDMI audio drivers, it shows my receiver as the audio device (SC-1222k) in the audio device control panel in my PC, not as Intel HDMI Audio. It appears to not detect this device when it is repowered. I've tried it with HDMI CEC both on and off in the receiver.

This is approximately my 10th HTPC build in the past 7 years and I've always used them with various receivers and projectors/monitors. This is the first time I've had an issue like this.

Any insight from anyone is appreciated. Is my only option to go back to Windows 7 or a discrete video card? I actually prefer Win 7, but I do like the video and sound quality of the Netflix Metro app. Considering Live TV and Blu ray are my primary considerations, I better start my Win 7 build.
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No issue here but win7 on 7.1 setup.
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