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I got an harmony ultimate for Christmas and wanted to control my HTPC with it..
I 'm looking for a IR that will allow me to control all including power..
I have found the hd plex to be what i want, but not available...
http://www.hd-plex.com/hdplex-internal-mce-ir-remote-control.html

Any others offering this solution.
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I bought a cheap wmc remote + ir combo from microcenter. Works fine with my harmony ultimate.
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but does it do power on?
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Yes
But that will not power on/off your computer from a cold state
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Sleep or hibernation. Why would you want a full power down...
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Sleep or hibernation. Why would you want a full power down...

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My htpc does full on/off but it depends on what motherboard you have. I built my own ir receiver for ~$10 and it works flawlessly with my Harmony 650.
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My htpc does full on/off but it depends on what motherboard you have. I built my own ir receiver for ~$10 and it works flawlessly with my Harmony 650.

Can you provide us with more details or a tut ?
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The iMon/Soundgraph/Antec IR solutions do full power on and off, but the software they use leaves a lot to be desired. You are better off using a basic ehome compatible IR receiver (most WMC ones) and just doing Sleep and Wake instead of full off. Or just leave them on 24/7 like I do...

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Sleep vs full off discussions aside, I agree with the assessment above that imon, leaves allot to be desired (understatement). I have it and have searched high and low for a way to rip it out and replace. I currently have it disabled and have a regular USB HP ir.
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If I may chime in without hijacking this thread...

I'm also looking for an IR-based solution for full power off/on for my HTPC. Sleep/Hibernate doesn't work in my case because if the computer goes into sleep/hibernate mode and the pre-pro turns off, the computer's HDMI audio connection is lost. Basically, unless the computer is turned on AFTER the pre-pro I won't have audio. Right now I power everything on via a Harmony Ultimate and then power on my computer by (gasp) pressing the power button on the computer. It's only a hassle because the computer is in the AV closet with all the other equipment. I'd much rather have an IR-based solution, but I haven't found anything simple and elegant.

I'm very interested in a solution for this, and it's amazing to me that no one has come up with one yet.
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Sleep vs full off discussions aside, I agree with the assessment above that imon, leaves allot to be desired (understatement). I have it and have searched high and low for a way to rip it out and replace. I currently have it disabled and have a regular USB HP ir.

Same here when I had the iMon Antec case. I had it unplugged within the first month of fighting with it and bought the HP. I'm actually trying to migrate to iRule to control my system which uses IP with Eventghost so no USB receiver is needed at all.

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If I may chime in without hijacking this thread...

I'm also looking for an IR-based solution for full power off/on for my HTPC. Sleep/Hibernate doesn't work in my case because if the computer goes into sleep/hibernate mode and the pre-pro turns off, the computer's HDMI audio connection is lost. Basically, unless the computer is turned on AFTER the pre-pro I won't have audio. Right now I power everything on via a Harmony Ultimate and then power on my computer by (gasp) pressing the power button on the computer. It's only a hassle because the computer is in the AV closet with all the other equipment. I'd much rather have an IR-based solution, but I haven't found anything simple and elegant.

I'm very interested in a solution for this, and it's amazing to me that no one has come up with one yet.

You can assign the HTPC to power up last in the harmony software. You can add delays if need be I believe.
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Programming the Harmony is easy, the hard part (for me at least) is finding an IR receiver, connected via USB, that can work with the computer when the computer is completely turned off. My HTPC case doesn't have an open bay for a mounted IR receiver (only one which is currently used by the Blu-Ray drive) so I need to connect it externally.

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Sleep or hibernation. Why would you want a full power down...
I wouldnt, but the OP specifically asked if it could control power, and by itself it will not.
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Can you provide us with more details or a tut ?

Yup no problem.

 

The most important thing is that your motherboard must support CIR (consumer infrared). For example, on ASRock motherboards they're labelled CIR1 as pictured:

 

 

 

 

Depending on your motherboard your pins may be arranged differently for V+, IR Tx, IR Rx, and Ground.

 

To make one you need only a few parts. I did a trial run to make sure it worked before I found a complete receiver kit so you'll end up saving money by just getting the kit outright. 

 

http://digistump.com/products/4

 

 

 

You'd also need a usb header to cut and use the wiring.

The wiring goes as follows. On the circuit board it's labelled 5V, GND, and P2 (IR out).

 

I used Cat5 for its simplicity and soldered the ends to the wires connected to the internal USB connector.

 

 

 

 

Then I added some heat shrink to isolate the solders and keep the wiring clean. 

 

 

 

I should also add that I used a different IR receiver because I thought something round would be easier in terms of case modding i.e. one simple hole drilled rather than routing out some rectangular shape.

 

 

 

 

 

A few quick notes: CIR port must be enabled in BIOS, CIR driver must then be installed, on myharmony.com the Manufacturer: Microsoft & Device: Windows Media Center Se.

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EDIT: It was taken care of way faster than I thought.

 

I tried to post a quick how-to but because I'm new I can't link offsite pictures yet even from my photobucket. It says that they were sent to a mod for approval so we'll see soon. I think it's complete and that I haven't forgotten anything. Let me know what you think or if you have any questions.

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Look at http://www.simerec.com/ for a solution. They have an IR on/off switch that connects to the motherboard. It requires drilling the case and and splicing into the power supply.

This is for power on/off only. It doesn't provide HTPC control, so you'd still need a separate IR receiver.
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Does anyone offer an internal IR solution for media control? I other words, being able to mod a machine which doesn't have internal IR receiver by adding one.
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Does anyone offer an internal IR solution for media control? I other words, being able to mod a machine which doesn't have internal IR receiver by adding one.
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Superglue and a drill. I actually prefer a dongle which can be discretely placed anywhere. Then you can keep your PC completely hidden.
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Superglue and a drill. I actually prefer a dongle which can be discretely placed anywhere. Then you can keep your PC completely hidden.

This is the best option (the corded dongle). I don't understand the lengths some go through to put an IR receiver on the front of the PC. Once you do that you now have to have line-of-sight to that little hole from wherever you use your remote. Having a dongle on a cord means you can route the IR receiver wherever you need and it can be mostly hidden and your PC no longer needs full visibility.

The better option of course is an RF universal remote where you can simply hide the entire dongle and stick on an IR emitter. With an IP remote no dongle required at all.

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This is the best option (the corded dongle). I don't understand the lengths some go through to put an IR receiver on the front of the PC. Once you do that you now have to have line-of-sight to that little hole from wherever you use your remote. Having a dongle on a cord means you can route the IR receiver wherever you need and it can be mostly hidden and your PC no longer needs full visibility.

The better option of course is an RF universal remote where you can simply hide the entire dongle and stick on an IR emitter. With an IP remote no dongle required at all.

+1.

I have 2 of my three client HTPCs hidden (one in a built-in cabinet and another one velcroed to the back of my TV). In both cases I use a USB extension cable with the RF dongle hidden.
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Ok thanks for the input guys. I hear you on the RF dongle but my experience is that you have to pay $200+ for a decent RF remote that isn't ugly.
I guess I'll stick with the corded USB IR receiver sitting on the cabinet.
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Ok thanks for the input guys. I hear you on the RF dongle but my experience is that you have to pay $200+ for a decent RF remote that isn't ugly.
I guess I'll stick with the corded USB IR receiver sitting on the cabinet.

I use the Lenovo 5902 with backlit keys. Works great when you use the left and right buttons to select things. My wife uses it too.

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The Xsight Touch is a killer RF remote and only $50 on eBay. I have a couple of them. They're very nice to look at, and blow the doors off Harmony. The RF base is sold separately but also fairly cheap on eBay. You should check it out.
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The Xsight Touch is a killer RF remote and only $50 on eBay. I have a couple of them. They're very nice to look at, and blow the doors off Harmony. The RF base is sold separately but also fairly cheap on eBay. You should check it out.

Interesting. I presume it will work with XBMC? Can you comment on the "snappiness"? Any lag?
A quick search of eBay shows only a China seller offering it for $50. Makes me a bit nervous.
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With all due respect to the veteran posters, The dongle is great but let's not let this thread side-track (like countless others) about the merits of full power off vs sleep. The dongle does not do full power off , correct ?

Charlie- Thanks for the tut.
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With all due respect to the veteran posters, The dongle is great but let's not let this thread side-track (like countless others) about the merits of full power off vs sleep.
It's called a discussion in a thread on a forum.
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The dongle does not do full power off , correct ?
Which dongle? Most USB dongles don't do power off.
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Charlie- Thanks for the tut.
Looks like a fun project. Always looking for an excuse to break out the soldering iron. However, I've been trying to integrate iRule as our remote so the need for IR is going away. Still not sure I trust the family using a 7" tablet as a full time remote due to breakage.

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