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Has anyone ripped Catching Fire from bluray? Weirdness

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#1 ·
Hey all,


Has anyone ripped Catching Fire? The bluray must have almost 145 main movie 'tracks' The one I ripped plays fine but the content is weird when compared to playing the actual bluray on the ps4.


For example, the overall movie length is the same between the rip and the ps4, but at 5:56 in the ripped copy catniss finishes talking with haymitch and then is immediately in a room with president snow. on the ps4 at 5:56 she leave haymitch and enters her house and then a couple of guards escort her to see president snow. Further on the ripped copy after catniss leave snow, she eventually enters her house and the guard scene plays over again and she is again talking with snow, albeit it is a different conversation.


No idea what is going on.


Can anyone tell me what the proper track is?
 
#28 ·
I used DVDFab's HD Decrypter (free) and it picked it right out. Don't remember the title # though. Sorry. Like someone else said though, just make sure the runtime and # of chapters match exactly the info you see when you play it from your player and you'll know you're all set.
 
#29 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24468058


Like someone else said though, just make sure the runtime and # of chapters match exactly the info you see when you play it from your player and you'll know you're all set.

False. There are multiple playlists with the same runtime and number of chapters, and most of them will not play the movie correctly.
 
#30 ·

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Originally Posted by jim2100  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness#post_24471005


False. There are multiple playlists with the same runtime and number of chapters, and most of them will not play the movie correctly.

Nice selective quoting of my post. What I said was, if you use DVDFab and the main movies title it picks for you matches the runtime and chapters you see when playing the disk on your player then you will know it has grabbed the right title. If you don't believe me that's your choice but it does work.
 
#31 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24472533


What I said was, if you use DVDFab and the main movies title it picks for you matches the runtime and chapters you see when playing the disk on your player then you will know it has grabbed the right title.

Wrong again. You might suspect it is the right playlist because DVDFab picked it. But just because it has the right runtime and number of chapters is no proof that it is the right playlist.
 
#33 ·

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Originally Posted by ixion  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24472873


There is a perl script you can run to find out the correct playlist, you can find it here (scroll down to 5th post on page):

http://www.makemkv.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?p=30698#p30698


It works like a charm. I've used it many times and it always finds the correct one.

It gets it wrong on Ender's game.
 
#34 ·

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Originally Posted by jim2100  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/30#post_24472633


Wrong again. You might suspect it is the right playlist because DVDFab picked it. But just because it has the right runtime and number of chapters is no proof that it is the right playlist.

Jim, I've watched the movie all the way through and it plays fine.
 
#35 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24474439


Jim, I've watched the movie all the way through and it plays fine.

I made no claim that DVD Fab picked the wrong playlist. I only asserted that the running time and number of chapters proves nothing for discs with this sort of playlist obfuscation.
 
#36 ·

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Originally Posted by jim2100  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/30#post_24474488


I made no claim that DVD Fab picked the wrong playlist. I only asserted that the running time and number of chapters proves nothing for discs with this sort of playlist obfuscation.

Oh good grief. Look, I suppose I could have just said use DVDFab and it will pick the right title, however if someone wasn't running the same version then I don't know if it still would. Hence the caution to make sure the title info matches the disc read from your player for additional confirmation. Get it? The point was never that selecting the title yourself based on chapter and runtime info would guarantee you of grabbing the right title (obviously, since there are multiple titles on the disk with that info). Just that it was a simple thing you could look to for some assurance that Fab's selection wasn't just random.
 
#37 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24474904


The point was never that selecting the title yourself based on chapter and runtime info would guarantee you of grabbing the right title (obviously, since there are multiple titles on the disk with that info). Just that it was a simple thing you could look to for some assurance that Fab's selection wasn't just random.

It is not much of an assurance, since there can be 10 or 20 or more playlists with the same runtime and number of chapters on a title with this kind of playlist obfuscation. Certainly the duration and number of chapters is not enough to "know it has grabbed the right title" as you originally claimed.


In fact, that sort of "assurance" is worse than useless, since someone who is not aware of the subtle ways that this obfuscation method works could be fooled into thinking they got the right playlist, when in fact they had a playlist that has a short loop in it or a few things happening out of order. Sometimes you need to watch the entire movie with your full attention in order to know if you got the right one.
 
#40 ·

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Originally Posted by jim2100  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/30#post_24475360


Don't be so hard on yourself.

Simple question Jim: if someone follows my advice in this thread, will they or will they not rip the correct title of The Hunger Games: Catching Fire? This is a thread presenting a straightforward problem to which I have offered a solution that is simple and actually works. Meanwhile your contribution to this thread has been what, exactly? Besides inventing a totally unnecessary side argument out of nothing but your own misreading of my simple advice, have you helped anyone's understanding of how to solve the problem or have you only hindered it by throwing a bunch of smoke around an actual workable solution?


Forums like this are supposed to be for people to share knowledge and help each other. At least that's what I've always thought. Why are you here?
 
#41 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24475535


Besides inventing a totally unnecessary side argument out of nothing but your own misreading of my simple advice, have you helped anyone's understanding of how to solve the problem or have you only hindered it by throwing a bunch of smoke around an actual workable solution?

I did not misread your "advice". You made a factually incorrect statement that was misleading and could cause trouble for anyone who is trying to understand how to rip blu-rays in general. If your intent is to help people, why are you continuing to defend an incorrect statement and provide misleading advice, as well as making personal attacks?
 
#42 ·
There's also an update to DVD Fab's BD Ripper which addresses issues with Catching Fire.
 
#43 ·

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Originally Posted by jim2100  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/30#post_24476030


I did not misread your "advice". You made a factually incorrect statement that was misleading and could cause trouble for anyone who is trying to understand how to rip blu-rays in general. If your intent is to help people, why are you continuing to defend an incorrect statement and provide misleading advice, as well as making personal attacks?

Personal attacks, Mr. "Wrong" and "Wrong again"? You know if you talked down that severely to someone you just met in real life you'd at least get cussed at if not punched in the face, don't you? So spare me your hurt feelings.


And I was never offering advice about "how to rip blu-rays in general", I was offering advice about how to rip THIS bluray. Yet another example of how you've been doing nothing in this thread except knocking down straw men.


My advice was accurate (what I actually wrote that is, not your stubborn misreading of it). It isn't that hard for most people to simply admit when they've misunderstood. If you could have entered this discussion with some civility I imagine you wouldn't find it that difficult either. But you came in with your back up and apparently that's how you want to go out now too, still arguing with yourself. Fine. You have fun with that. I'm done here.
 
#45 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24477267


My advice was accurate (what I actually wrote that is, not your stubborn misreading of it). It isn't that hard for most people to simply admit when they've misunderstood.

Your advice contained a factually incorrect statement, which I already pointed out. If you would read what I wrote carefully and rationally, you should have no trouble correcting your misunderstanding.


If you do not like it when your posts are exposed as being factually incorrect, then instead of making personal attacks, I suggest you try to not make factually incorrect statements in the future. It is the rational thing to do. Making it personal is an emotional thing to do, and it has not served you well here. I greatly prefer approaching things rationally, which is why I avoided responding to your trolls attempting to make it personal as long as I could. But your repeated mistakes and confused personal attacks ensured that I had to respond in this way.
 
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#48 ·

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Originally Posted by ElJimador  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/0_100#post_24479170

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/30#post_24477539


Deja Vu, LOL.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1476817/why-does-blurays-have-multiple-playlists-of-the-same-file-how-to-tell-which-one-is-the-valid-one

LOL. Thanks Foxbat. This explains a lot.

In fact, it shows that DVDFab could get the wrong playlist on the first Hunger Games movie. Which makes the advice you gave in this thread -- to use DVDFab and then "know" that you had the right playlist by checking the runtime and number of chapters -- worse than useless, since someone could easily get the wrong playlist and be overconfident that they had the right one.
 
#49 ·

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Originally Posted by jim2100  /t/1521491/has-anyone-ripped-catching-fire-from-bluray-weirdness/30#post_24479974


In fact, it shows that DVDFab could get the wrong playlist on the first Hunger Games movie. Which makes the advice you gave in this thread -- to use DVDFab and then "know" that you had the right playlist by checking the runtime and number of chapters -- worse than useless, since someone could easily get the wrong playlist and be overconfident that they had the right one.

Great point, Don Quixote! Strawman who argued that DVDFab always picks the right title for every movie has been soundly vanquished, yet again! Bravo, sir!


To repeat from about 20 posts ago, I knew Fab picked the right title for the movie we're actually talking about in this thread not only because the playlist info matched the title info read by my player but because I ACTUALLY WATCHED THE RIP and it played fine all the way through.


I know I said I was done here but you're making this too much fun. You don't even know what a strawman argument is, do you?
 
#50 ·

OK.Got a disc yesterday and was about to rip it. I ended up here :)

 

I bet ElJimador got it right with DVDFab but it might as well be a stroke of luck. 

 

None of the examples in this thread worked for me. The title numbers are completely different. When I checked the total runtime in my Blu-Ray player it said 2:26:15. This sorted out six or seven titles, each with the same amout of chapters just to confuse you. Looks like on this disc they have made multiple small video files with the exact same content. This to create several fake titles with the chapters all scrambled.

 

I did it the hard way with trial and error. I created my own playlists with the video files and tested each one. Luckily the third one was correct!

 

Perhaps I'm wrong about ElJimador and DVDFab, but how can the software find the correct titles in this example? Some sort of database, like Gracenote with audio files?
 
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