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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178520

Please don't turn this into a 'brand X is better than brand Y' or 'that rotational speed sucks' thread.

Just letting others know that a higher capacity drive is available for those interested.

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WOW nice. $299 though. That is $150 for a 3TB so expensive eek.gif I think these should drop down in price - $199 would be a killer deal I think. biggrin.gif

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Starting at $299 is actually pretty good, considering that there's always a premium for new capacity drives. With a little luck, this will push the 4TB drives down enough that they will be the new leader in $/TB.
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This 5TB is not a bad deal for $200 and 3 year warranty.
http://www.toshiba.com/us/accessories/Storage/Canvio-Desktop-Hard-Drives/5TB/HDWC250XK3J1

Nope!

Not at all. It's nice to see these bigger drives coming out- it will drive down prices on 4TB and 3TB models I think at the very least.

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Please don't turn this into a 'brand X is better than brand Y' or 'that rotational speed sucks' thread.

Everyone knows the best way to eat toast is with the buttered side down!

 

 

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Everyone knows the best way to eat toast is with the buttered side down!

This is incorrect biggrin.gif

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Starting at $299 is actually pretty good, considering that there's always a premium for new capacity drives. With a little luck, this will push the 4TB drives down enough that they will be the new leader in $/TB.

I agree with this. That price actually seems pretty reasonable. Hopefully will see a drop in price of other hard drives finally :-/
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Everyone knows the best way to eat toast is with the buttered side down!

This is incorrect biggrin.gif

Coming from someone who puts the toilet paper roll on bottom out!

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very nice to see 6tb drives out. Sure they are expensive now. But can lead to some very compact servers.

my plan is to build an m-itx core i7 ddr4 (with a high end gaming graphics card too) based server with 4x6tb drivers later this year/early next year (hopefully prices will be more stable then) (my current 4tb drives will then become my backup)

24tb of storage in a m-itx rig! its a little crazy (bitfenix prodigy case if anyone is interested)

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Only 1 year warranty on a $300 retail internal drive? It really speaks volumes about the manufacturer's confidence on the product. Heck, you get longer warranty period on most external drives.

No thanks. You go first.
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What add-on controller can support drives larger than 4TB?

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What add-on controller can support drives larger than 4TB?

Any controller that can handle drives larger than 2TB should be fine for the 6TB drives.
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This 5TB is not a bad deal for $200 and 3 year warranty.
http://www.toshiba.com/us/accessories/Storage/Canvio-Desktop-Hard-Drives/5TB/HDWC250XK3J1

I would have to de-shell that sucker.

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$30 per TB is my magic number that changes NO to YES.

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Starting at $299 is actually pretty good, considering that there's always a premium for new capacity drives. With a little luck, this will push the 4TB drives down enough that they will be the new leader in $/TB.

Yup completely agreed.
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What will be the usable space after formatting?
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What will be the usable space after formatting?

Around 5.6 TB
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The available capacity of the drive should be 6001175126016 Bytes = 6.001175126016 TB , assuming they use the standard IDEMA sector formula: number of 512B sectors = 21168 + 1953504 * HDD_size_GB

 

If you prefer the clumsy power-of-two units, that is 5860522584 KiB = 5723166.585938 MiB = 5589.029869080 GiB = 5.458036981523 TiB

 

Formatting has negligible effect on usable capacity. Partitioning should generally reserve at worst a few MB, and most filesystems will not have an overhead larger than a few GB.

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What will be the usable space after formatting?

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The available capacity of the drive should be 6001175126016 Bytes = 6.001175126016 TB , assuming they use the standard IDEMA sector formula: number of 512B sectors = 21168 + 1953504 * HDD_size_GB

If you prefer the clumsy power-of-two units, that is 5860522584 KiB = 5723166.585938 MiB = 5589.029869080 GiB = 5.458036981523 TiB

Formatting has negligible effect on usable capacity. Partitioning should generally reserve at worst a few MB, and most filesystems will not have an overhead larger than a few GB.

Ahem.
The question was "usable space after formatting?", and a good rule of thumb without all the numbers you laid out is a "loss" of 7% after formatting, in comparison to the manufacturer's specs. Quick, easy, and pretty accurate for Windows. Hence, around 5.6 TB
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I don't think formatting a drive has anything to do with how much actual space you have on the drive, its a different numbering system. If I want to get a rough estimate I multiply .93 and the drive size so a 6tb drive is about 5.58tb
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That is true of course. but the drive won't really be able for use until it's formatted, correct? So really, it's like a "psychological, or emotional loss". smile.gif The box said 6TB!
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Thanks for posting - I'll have to read to find out if this is one of those new helium drives.
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The question was "usable space after formatting?", and a good rule of thumb without all the numbers you laid out is a "loss" of 7% after formatting, in comparison to the manufacturer's specs. Quick, easy, and pretty accurate for Windows. Hence, around 5.6 TB

No, formatting does not decrease space by 7%. Far from it.

 

I believe your confusion is coming from a misunderstanding of SI (power of 10) units like GB and power of 2 units like GiB. The difference between GB and GiB is indeed about 7%, since (1024 / 1000)^3 = 1.073741824

 

One GiB = 1024^3 = 1073741824 Bytes

One GB  = 1000^3 = 1000000000 Bytes

 

However, the difference between TB and TiB is about 10%, since (1024 / 1000)^4 = 1.099511627776. So, as I already said in my previous post, 6.001175126016 TB = 5589.029869080 GiB = 5.458036981523 TiB.

 

So no, 5.6 TB is not correct. Neither is 5.6 TiB. It is 5.458 TiB, or 5589 GiB. But really, all that shows is the clumsiness of the power of 2 units. It is much easier to just use the SI power of 10 units and say it is 6.001 TB.

 

Also, note that Microsoft Windows has a bug where it incorrectly displays units as "GB" when it is actually "GiB".

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The gist of what we're getting at here is that a manufacturer's specs say 6 Terabytes, not Tibibytes. 6000 Gigabytes, not gibibytes. The "loss" - and i'm really stressing the quotation marks here - is from the conversion from 1000^3 to 1024^3. No one is really claiming that the size of allocated storage has been decreased, but rather that people who aren't privy to this info are surprised when they were expecting 6 full TB, but end up getting around 93% of that value.
It's the manufacturer's fault for all this, really. But it is easier to just say 6 Terabytes, and not 5589 Gibibytes.
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 No one is really claiming that the size of allocated storage has been decreased, but rather that people who aren't privy to this info are surprised when they were expecting 6 full TB, but end up getting around 93% of that value.
It's the manufacturer's fault for all this, really. But it is easier to just say 6 Terabytes, and not 5589 Gibibytes.

No, that is still incorrect.

 

They are NOT getting 93% of 6 TB. They are getting 6 TB.

 

And it is not the manufacturers fault at all. They are using the correct SI units. The metric system is more than 200 years old, and G has meant 10^9 and T has meant 10^12 for more than 200 years. The manufacturers of the HDDs are absolutely correct. Not only that, but the power of 10 units are more convenient and easier to use. You demonstrated that yourself when you confused 5.458 TiB and 5589 GiB by saying 5.6 TB, which is doubly wrong, since it is neither 5.6 TB nor is it 5.6 TiB.

 

If it is anyone's fault, it is the fault of people like you who perpetuate the myth that formatting mysteriously decreases the capacity of the drive a great deal, or that it is acceptable to mix up TiB and GiB units with TB and GB.

 

I suppose Microsoft deserves a lot of the blame, also, for the Windows bug that displays sizes in GiB but incorrectly labels it as "GB".

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A conversion table:

- 1 KB = 10^3 B (bytes)
- 1 KiB = 1024 B = (1.024) x 10^3 B = 1.024 KB
- 1 KB = 1/(1.024) KiB = 0.976563 KiB

- 1 MB = 10^6 B
- 1 MiB = 1024 KiB = (1024)^2 B = (1.024)^2 MB = 1.04858 MB
- 1 MB = 1/(1.024)^2 MiB = 0.953671 MiB

- 1 GB = 10^9 bytes
- 1 GiB = 1024 MiB = (1024)^3 B = (1.024)^3 GB = 1.07374 GB
- 1 GB = 1/(1.024)^3 GiB = 0.931324 GiB = 953.674 MiB

- 1 TB = 10^12 B
- 1 TiB = 1024 GiB = (1024)^4 B = (1.024)^4 TB = 1.09951 TB
- 1 TB = 1/(1.024)^4 TiB = 0.909496 TiB = 931.324GiB

You won't lose anything (except for a small reserved partition 128MB) by formatting the disk.
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I don't see anyone claiming that formatting causes a significant loss of space, however the question was asked about what is reported after formatting which generally means "what windows says when you can finally see the drive in My Computer" as nothing shows up there before you format. So people often refer final usable capacity as "formatted capacity" Now everyone can squabble over how technically accurate it is, but since you can't use the drive until it is formatted, then I see no reason why looking at it in terms of formatted capacity is a problem.

That being said, you're off by a factor of 2.4% for every power of three you move up when comparing SI units vs. binary equivalent. So 7% is right for GB vs GiB, it is incorrect of TB vs. TiB. (as demonstrated above by renethx)
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