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http://techreport.com/news/26314/asrock-bay-trail-d-boards-come-in-mini-itx-microatx-form-factors

The quad core J1900 is interesting to me, due to its low TDP, price, and lack of fan. This should probably be strong enough to power a Windows Media Center box running ServerWMC, yes?
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Intel NUC DN2820FYKH Bay Trail. Bay Trail-D is even better than Celeron N2820 (Bay Trail-M). (D = desktop, M = mobile)
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I have the Gigabyte J1800 on hand and I've done some testing with Win 7 x64. After getting through the BIOS/Win7 install issues the testing I did showed promise. 1080p MKVs were no problem in WMC/WMP. I haven't tried live TV yet. That will be next and then I will give XBMC a try. I am looking forward to the ASRock Q1900 being available. I just wish these boards didn't need the 4-pin CPU plug. Previous "Atom" boards did not. A decent priced thin mini-ITX J1900 would be great. ASRock IMB-151 is $189 which is way overpriced IMHO.

 

 

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Where are these Bay Trail boards for sale at? All I've seen are the offical NUC units.

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Re: Pricing...

The gigabyte J1900 board is only $90 at Newegg, which is what I expect these things should go for...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128698

Let me know about live TV recording. I'm leaning toward getting one of these for a WMC box running ServerWMC.

Update: The board I linked to will be just fine for my needs as it'll be more of a server, but... No HDMI! Probably not good for most use-cases.
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http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Mini-DDR3-Motherboards-J1800I-C/dp/B00J4O5C2Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1397672465&sr=8-2&keywords=celeron+j1800

 

Asus quad core with PCIe and HDMI.  I would get one but my antenna isn't giving me a signal anymore.  With no signal I might as well use a chromecast.

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No HDMI! Probably not good for most use-cases.

Yeah, I don't know what they're thinking with no HDMI.

 

 

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Oops the one I listed was a dual core.

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157513

This ASRock is showing up on the egg for $70 with the J1900. Anyone have good benchmark data of the Bay Trail GPU? This looks potentially good but I am concerned the graphics might fall short for playing FLASH or other HD stuff.

The Passmark score (2046) looks better than what I now run without issue (AMD 7750 @ 1567)
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=100&cmp[]=2131
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I've been doing some work with the Gigabyte J1800NH board. HD movies play via MediaBrowser 3 / WMC with no problem. HD Live TV (CableCard + WMC) looks good. I'll give Netflix HD a try next. I also picked up the ASRock Q1900B-ITX which I'll setup and test the same way.

 

 

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I've been doing some work with the Gigabyte J1800NH board. HD movies play via MediaBrowser 3 / WMC with no problem. HD Live TV (CableCard + WMC) looks good. I'll give Netflix HD a try next. I also picked up the ASRock Q1900B-ITX which I'll setup and test the same way.

Cool... Thanks Stardog! I have been searching for some GPU performance info and having a hard time finding anything conclusive. From what I have found it looks like:

J1900 has quick sync http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Quick_Sync_Video

http://ark.intel.com/products/78867/Intel-Celeron-Processor-J1900-2M-Cache-up-to-2_42-GHz

The Passmark score (2046) looks fine http://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=100&cmp[]=2131

however the GPU for Bay trail looks lite, might be that quick sync makes all the difference...
4EU VS like Sandy Bridge that had 6 EU but lacked Quick Sync in the low end parts, or Haswell that also lacks quick sync in the low end parts but has 10EU
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Intel_graphics_processing_units#Seventh_generation

Rene, I was hoping you might weigh in too...
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These are Atom graphics. For 10w TDP, you can't ask much and compare to other higher end (and higher TDP) chips.

That being said, I have a Dell Venue 8 Pro which runs similar mobile version of the quad-core Atom chip. The graphics performance is not bad at all on the tablet. Runs some decent Win8 racing games just fine.

I just ordered the ASRock board with 8GB of RAM from Newegg. Will see if this can be use to be my primary WMC machine serving 4 extenders without slowing down. Currently using an old Core i7 desktop for this duty.
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These are Atom graphics. For 10w TDP, you can't ask much and compare to other higher end (and higher TDP) chips.

That being said, I have a Dell Venue 8 Pro which runs similar mobile version of the quad-core Atom chip. The graphics performance is not bad at all on the tablet. Runs some decent Win8 racing games just fine.

I just ordered the ASRock board with 8GB of RAM from Newegg. Will see if this can be use to be my primary WMC machine serving 4 extenders without slowing down. Currently using an old Core i7 desktop for this duty.

Here is the problem, Intel marketing has confused the situation by calling them "Intel HD graphics" It looks like new generation graphics with Quick sync and fewer EU may outperform prior Intel graphics with more EU for HTPC. I could care less about 3D. I only want HD with smooth playback for FLASH and SIVERLIGHT, etc and something that can run a decent upscaler, I think... but I am learning and looking for other input...


So what version of the "similar mobile version of the quad-core Atom chip" is it ? I have now tested playback using a 2955u on a chromebook and it played great and looks very nice, to me...
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I think I read it is the old version of intel graphics like you said but it does have the fix for the 23.xxx/fps problem.  

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So what version of the "similar mobile version of the quad-core Atom chip" is it ? I have now tested playback using a 2955u on a chromebook and it played great and looks very nice, to me...

DV8P has Intel Z3740D which also has HD graphics (it is a very vague term) but with much lower graphics clock speed and only 2.2w TDP. Video playback should be fine with any of these chips.

Z3740D is a mobile Bay Trail chip designed for tablets.
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Here is a comparison of Bay Trail-D vs other chips out there with benchmark results: http://www.techspot.com/review/806-amd-kabini-vs-intel-bay-trail-d/
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Did a quick test of Quick Sync Video encoding on my DV8P, it performs at 50fps on 1080p encoding. Not bad for a tablet chip. For. Comparison, my. Core i3 3225 can do 200fps in QSV encoding. Based on that, i'd guess J1900 Bay Trail-D should be able to achieve 100fps easily.
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Did a quick test of Quick Sync Video encoding on my DV8P, it performs at 50fps on 1080p encoding. Not bad for a tablet chip. For. Comparison, my. Core i3 3225 can do 2000fps in QSV encoding. Based on that, i'd guess J1900 Bay Trail-D should be able to achieve 100fps easily.
interesting, thanks for the datapoint....
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Did a quick test of Quick Sync Video encoding on my DV8P, it performs at 50fps on 1080p encoding. Not bad for a tablet chip. For. Comparison, my. Core i3 3225 can do 200fps in QSV encoding. Based on that, i'd guess J1900 Bay Trail-D should be able to achieve 100fps easily.

Have you done both HD netflix and Amazon HD streaming yet?  

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No problem at all with super HD Netflix and DD+ 5.1.

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No problem at all with super HD Netflix and DD+ 5.1.

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Sweet, sounds like this chip will be good for 90% of us HTPC people.

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I can't get ArcSoft TMT3 to play disc structure on my J1800N-D2H. Tried in Win8.1 x64 and Windows 7 x64. It plays high bitrate Blu-ray m2ts files without a hitch, but won't do disc structure. I'll see if I can install 32bit Windows 7, which was the original plan, as that's what the current HTPC runs (Windows Media Center + TMT3 + Media Browser).

Another thing, before I upgraded the BIOS from F2 to F3, it wouldn't properly wake from S3 sleep, which would be a complete deal breaker, but fortunately, the upgrade took care of that. I'm testing the machine as my main system -- actually typing this on it -- it's quite amazing what can be done these days with 10W, but I need to resolve this TMT3 issue before I install it in the HTPC.
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I'm a little disappointed that there isn't one of these with an mSATA slot. I'd be very tempted to experiment if that was the case.

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As these boards are not small like Intel NUC, mSATA makes zero sense.

Anyway, my parts arrived today:
ASRock Q1900B-ITX Mobo with processor
G.Skill 2x4GB DDR3 1333 SO-DIMM (1.35v)
Antec ISK110 mini-ITX case

I attached two drives:
An old OCZ 180GB Agility3 SSD
A new Toshiba 1TB laptop hybrid drive

Installation is quite easy and the entire setup is fanless. So zero noise. Idle temp is about 33C. Under heavy load (when doing encoding) is around 47C.

Watching 1080p full-bitrate BD rip mkv in VLC. No slow downs detected. CPU usage when playing the video is around 40%.

Tested a handbrake encoding using QSV, converting from full BD rip to 1080p quality factor 20, DTS-HD converted to AC3, around 90 fps.

Still settings things up to test WMC extenders.

Windows 7 x64 installation (need to support my Echo extender).
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Mini ITX is plenty small - obviously not NUC size, but still benefits from having an mSATA slot. Besides the fact that it would allow some of these manufacturers to differentiate from each other, it allows for better airflow with less cabling, amongst other reasons.

That being said, I'd love if Intel put out a NUC version as well. biggrin.gif

(Edit: Plus, more importantly in my case, I already have a spare mSATA drive that would work well for this. biggrin.gif)

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As these boards are not small like Intel NUC, mSATA makes zero sense.

Anyway, my parts arrived today:
ASRock Q1900B-ITX Mobo with processor
G.Skill 2x4GB DDR3 1333 SO-DIMM (1.35v)
Antec ISK110 mini-ITX case

I attached two drives:
An old OCZ 180GB Agility3 SSD
A new Toshiba 1TB laptop hybrid drive

Installation is quite easy and the entire setup is fanless. So zero noise. Idle temp is about 33C. Under heavy load (when doing encoding) is around 47C.

Watching 1080p full-bitrate BD rip mkv in VLC. No slow downs detected. CPU usage when playing the video is around 40%.

Tested a handbrake encoding using QSV, converting from full BD rip to 1080p quality factor 20, DTS-HD converted to AC3, around 90 fps.

Still settings things up to test WMC extenders.

Windows 7 x64 installation (need to support my Echo extender).

Great, glad to hear it is up and running, please keep us updated with progress... my use would be 7MC, HULU desktop, Netflix (built into 7MC) and comskip... sounds like this platform might work well...
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Netflix is fine (720p doesn't require much) although I'd like Win8 version of Netflix with 1080p super HD support.
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I'm a little disappointed that there isn't one of these with an mSATA slot. I'd be very tempted to experiment if that was the case.

I agree. I have some mini-ITX cases that are slim enough they benefit greatly from not needing the wires involved in hooking up a regular drive.

I have the Gigabyte J1800 and ASRock Q1900B now and I've done the most with the Q1900B having made it my latest bedroom HTPC. Here's a WEI comparison of the two (same memory and SSD)



It does all the HTPC things I need very well: live TV, 1080p rips, Netflix HD, music and photo slideshows. It's very responsive. $75 for a passive quad-core HTPC board. Wow.

I have it in this case with a picoPSU:

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It doesn't even get warm to the touch.

 

 

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I have the Gigabyte J1800 and ASRock Q1900B now and I've done the most with the Q1900B having made it my latest bedroom HTPC. Here's a WEI comparison of the two (same memory and SSD)



It does all the HTPC things I need very well: live TV, 1080p rips, Netflix HD, music and photo slideshows. It's very responsive. $75 for a passive quad-core HTPC board. Wow.

I have it in this case with a picoPSU:

It doesn't even get warm to the touch.

Thanks for the data, every spec the same or better than my existing HTPC. BTW with limited SATA ports and the cost of SSD I have been using a Seagate hybrid drive which scores a 5.9

Edit: What memory and how much did you use and 2 sticks or 1? thanks...
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