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You can overclock the new $69 Pentium CPU ! eek.gif

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For what application? HTPC? If so, why would you need to overclock?

Where did you see $69, btw? I think maybe you've been spending too much time in the speakers forum. Traitor.
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Street prices will likely be $69. You don't need it at all. I just thought it was cool you can overclock a $70 CPU. Free performance biggrin.gif

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Street prices will likely be $69. You don't need it at all. I just thought it was cool you can overclock a $70 CPU. Free performance biggrin.gif

Not really free if you need to buy an expensive Z97 motherboard to be able to do so.
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Pretty small premium for a Z series motherboard.

H series motherboards are for cowards biggrin.gif

No reason to be afraid. wink.gif

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Some Z87 mb with updated BIOS (ASUS already, MSI, GIGABYTE soon) support 4790K, 4690K, G3258. With unlocked multiplier? I don't know. But I assume 'support' means all features of the processor.
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Pretty small premium for a Z series motherboard.

Zx7 Mini-ITX boards typically cost double (sometimes even more) than H/B series boards. It's pointless to pay the premium just so you could overclock a $70 dual-core chip. If I'm going to buy a $150-200 board, might as well get an i5-4670K minimum to match. rolleyes.gif

Overclocking cheap processors was nice in the old days because it really is a free performance boost. Heck, I've got a $50 Biostar G41/Celeron E3300 combo from Fry's working at 3.33 GHz with a BSEL mod. rolleyes.gif
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Ok I'll agree to avoid an unnecessary argument. I just though a cheap overclock able CPU was cool.

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It's just the anniversary edition Pentium they announced sometime back (to celebrate 20+ years of the Pentium brand/line). It's more just for celebration/show than practicality.
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I just though a cheap overclock able CPU was cool.

It is cool, at least in theory. From a practical point of view though, if you've got a budget of ~$300 for MB+CPU, which one are you gonna choose:

$70 H-series MB
$200 i5-4590

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$200 Z-series MB
$70 G3258

Granted, the price premium for Z boards on microATX or ATX is pretty small so for those, the G3258 should be fun to play around with.
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I'd choose something like this:






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H series motherboards are for cowards biggrin.gif

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*Looks at my $22 motherboard and hides in the corner.*
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Good luck getting that 1150 cpu in that 2011 socket tongue.gif
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Good luck getting that 1150 cpu in that 2011 socket tongue.gif

Well I guess Pentium chips are for cowards too then wink.gif

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Anyone know if the new x99 chips get the same TIM advances as Devils Canyon ?

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Anyone know if the new x99 chips get the same TIM advances as Devils Canyon ?

The NGPTIM is for new unlocked 4th gen core processors only. So Devil's Canyon and newer i5/i7 K series. Articles are giving it a lot of credit for increased overclockability while most OCers are saying it's more the new 9 series chipset than anything else. They are seeing similar gains on the older 4770K on the new chipset as well.
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The NGPTIM is for new unlocked 4th gen core processors only. So Devil's Canyon and newer i5/i7 K series. Articles are giving it a lot of credit for increased overclockability while most OCers are saying it's more the new 9 series chipset than anything else. They are seeing similar gains on the older 4770K on the new chipset as well.

You mean specifically Z97?

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There are certain HTPC applications where overclocking the CPU can be advantageous. Game emulators come to mind.
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You mean specifically Z97?

Yeah. I was able to bump my i5 from 4.8 to 5.2 just with the change from Z87 to Z97.
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Yeah. I was able to bump my i5 from 4.8 to 5.2 just with the change from Z87 to Z97.
With the same voltage? Pretty sweet if so.
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Slight bump in voltage but unstable with the Z87 boards I tried. I currently only have 1 Z97 board.
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Brb getting z97 mobo smile.gif.

Slightly used z87 for sale biggrin.gif

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Anyone know if the new x99 chips get the same TIM advances as Devils Canyon ?

The NGPTIM is for new unlocked 4th gen core processors only. So Devil's Canyon and newer i5/i7 K series.

Simply there is no information on what TIM is used in Haswell-E (Core i7 5960X, 5930K, 5820K, all unlocked of course). Considering relatively low base clock of these processors (3.00-3.50GHz base, TB is unknown), NGPTM may not be used. Who knows.
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Simply there is no information on what TIM is used in Haswell-E (Core i7 5960X, 5930K, 5820K, all unlocked of course). Considering relatively low base clock of these processors (3.00-3.50GHz base, TB is unknown), NGPTM may not be used. Who knows.

Sandy-E and Ivy-E were soldered, it is a safe bet Haswell-E will be as well. Soldered IHS beats stock TIM, though having the option to de-lid does give you a chance to surpass it. (I'll pass)

Their "TIM experiment" to save a few pennies per unit got quite a bit of unexpected backlash, hence the whole DC PR counter-spin coming into existence at all.
I would not expect them to repeat it with models that are steeped in enterprise and often in thermally limited environments such as blades or cloud nodes smaller than 1U, they are very tight fisted with clocks and TDP, have to pay out the nose for both. The volume is a lot lower and the margin a lot higher on "real" xeons, too risky. (E3s are nothing more than feature-complete consumer cpus and/or perhaps consumer cpus are bin-failed E3s)

Buyer beware when dealing with "socket 2011" in the future, intel in its usual giant corporation-style stupidity kept the pin count the same while changing the layout, no compatibility. None that knows better expected any moving from ddr3 to ddr4, but adding or subtracting a pin to avoid confusion is so blindingly obvious only a massive organization with such inertia could miss it.
Haswell-E X99 will be "2011-3"


By the way, according to all documentation so far (mostly by omission) the 20th anniversary pentium G3258 does NOT have the improved TIM, only the specifically noted DC i5 and i7. Delid that badboy if you are going for the golden overclock...

Which reminds me, anyone have a reference as to why they chose the number 3258? I'm sure it means something but I was nerdy on other things back then.

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I did hear that some people preordering the unlocked pentiums are able to get the $40 socket 1150 motherboard bundle discount at microcenter, if that was not an error this can definitely help you get a Z-series board cheap.

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I did hear that some people preordering the unlocked pentiums are able to get the $40 socket 1150 motherboard bundle discount at microcenter, if that was not an error this can definitely help you get a Z-series board cheap.

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Well I guess Pentium chips are for cowards too then wink.gif
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