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Silverstone ML07 Case??

The ML07 is a relatively new case from Silverstone. Is anyone using it?

I'm thinking of putting this mini- ITX MoBo in it with a fanless Asus GT-430 I have for my Master Bedroom HTPC..

Thoughts on this case?

Will that card fit?

Is it even worth it to install this card compared to HD2000 Graphics on the iGPU?

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The case looks pretty nice. It says it supports cards up to 13" so you are good. And yes, it is worth putting a 430 in there over hd2000.

It looks like you will need an SFX power supply though.
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I was reading up on the similarly designed Raven Case on SPCR, and it seems that there may be an issue with heat in the GPU when the case is placed horizontally, which is what I intend to do with it.

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Their new GD-10 is just slightly bigger, but seems an alternative... No experience with it though, just came across it by coincidence...
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I have a new i5 4690k on a Z97MX MoBo build in a GD05 case which doesn't fit it the dresser / AV cabinet in the Master Bedroom which was bought a couple of weeks after the case. This new build will go in the AV cabinet in the Family Room. The GD10 is even taller than the GD05. I need something less tall than the GD05, about 5" or less would be fine. I think for the 40" 1080p that this will be connected to I can probably get away with the iGPU if need be.
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Lian Li PC-C37 Case??

Maybe I'll get the Lian Li PC-C37 but I pretty much cannot use my fanless GT430 listed above as far as I can tell.

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Maybe I'll get the Lian Li PC-C37 but I pretty much cannot use my fanless GT430 listed above as far as I can tell.
Funny enough the PC-C37 is a larger case supporting mATX boards but then it only supports low-profile expansion cards. You are correct that the GT430 pictured will not work. If the ML07/RVZ01 is not appropriate, take a look at the GD04, GD05, GD06 cases from Silverstone. Similar in size to the PC-C37 but support large graphics cards.
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Funny enough the PC-C37 is a larger case supporting mATX boards but then it only supports low-profile expansion cards. You are correct that the GT430 pictured will not work. If the ML07/RVZ01 is not appropriate, take a look at the GD04, GD05, GD06 cases from Silverstone. Similar in size to the PC-C37 but support large graphics cards.
The GDO5 is too tall to fit in the location I am going to put it. This I know because I have one and it doesn't fit.
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I've got an ML07 with a GTX780. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a card that doesn't fit. There's also now a SFX 600W PSU if necessary.


That being said, they do have a nicer looking variant that was announced:





The ML07 is mostly plastic.

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Also keep in mind that the ML07 variant doesn't come with any fans or fan filters, so you'll have to spend more on those if you need them. I've got three Noctua PWM fans in there... two providing air to the GTX 780 (which as its a reference design, uses a blower design and pushes hot air right out the back of the case), and one above the CPU and CPU cooler.


Also, the feet are terrible. They're just little rubber stick-on feet. Still, it was one of the first cases in the form-factor I wanted, so I like it a lot. (For what it's worth, the plastic was also nice for me in one way - I was able to very easily drill out a little hole for an IR receiver.)

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Please explain what the "new variant being announced" is. The picture looks like it is the same case?

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It's not. The RVZ-01, ML07, this FTZ01... they're all identical inside. The differences are in the exterior and which items are included.


The ML07 ( http://i.imgur.com/4Ult5YF.jpg ) is mostly plastic. The top and bottom panels are steel, but the rest is plastic. The FTZ01 variant pictured above looks to be brushed aluminum across the front panel.

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The GDO5 is too tall to fit in the location I am going to put it. This I know because I have one and it doesn't fit.
Ah I see. I guess one easy solution would be to mount a fan on the passive GT430 when you put it in the ML07. While I get that it kind of defeats the purpose of having a fanless card, you could probably run the fan at low speed (either buy a low speed fan or run at 7V or 5V) and have it cool adequately given it's already supposed to cool adequately with no fan at all.


Or you could just use the iGPU as you said. What are you going to be using this for anyway? If it's just HD playback you don't really need anything else.
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I'm not sure if the GT 430 will properly cool itself in the horizontal position..

It'll be for whatever I have local and internet streaming going through my Denon 889 and then to my 40" Samsung LNA650 1080p HDTV.


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I'm not sure if the GT 430 will properly cool itself in the horizontal position..

It'll be for whatever I have local and internet streaming going through my Denon 889 and then to my 40" Samsung LNA650 1080p HDTV.
I think it will cool fine with a fan of some sort. I mean the passive cooler is already rated for it and it's not exactly a big TDP card or anything. Granted, I'm not sure why Silverstone decided to mount the GPU upside down given we all know heat rises...but yeah, I'm sure it should work with some kind of fan attached somehow.


That said, I don't think you even need anything more than the on-board video. GT 430 is not going to get you anything in terms of modern-day gaming, and HD Graphics should do all the HD stuff you need it to.
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I think it will cool fine with a fan of some sort. I mean the passive cooler is already rated for it and it's not exactly a big TDP card or anything. Granted, I'm not sure why Silverstone decided to mount the GPU upside down given we all know heat rises...but yeah, I'm sure it should work with some kind of fan attached somehow.

There's not really any other way to design a case like this where you need a PCI-E extender, unless maybe you use one of those far less reliable ribbon extenders. Based on where the slot on a mini-ITX board is, in order to do a right-angle design, the GPU needs to be facing down.

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It can be done but not at 4.xx" tall. I guess that wouldn't be "a case like this" now would it..

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There's not really any other way to design a case like this where you need a PCI-E extender, unless maybe you use one of those far less reliable ribbon extenders. Based on where the slot on a mini-ITX board is, in order to do a right-angle design, the GPU needs to be facing down.
Ah yeah I guess you're right. I was thinking just flip the connector but that would put the outputs on the inside of the case, lol. Ribbon extenders are an idea but I think you're right about the questionable reliability--the longer those things get, the worse they are going to be as well.
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How about a Cosmos II ?

It's got lots of build space.
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Dimensions (W x H x D): 13.5 x 27.7 x 26.1 inch

Yeah! That'll work!!

But jeezus!

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How about a Cosmos II ?

It's got lots of build space.
Lulz, that thing is a monster!
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lol. I was joking.

I think the silverstone cases are nice. You seem limited on space though. Does it have to be there? or Visable ? Bigger case and located it under floor, or something. ?? Mine is in my AV closet with my equipment so I use a mid tower case. I never really understood the need to display it. A longer HDMI cable is only $10.

Remote sensors, wireless mice etc... it's all the same operationally. Right ?

BTW: I do have a Cosmos II for my desktop and it's rather nice. But not something you'd ever want in your living room.

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lol. I was joking.

I think the silverstone cases are nice. You seem limited on space though. Does it have to be there? or Visable ? Bigger case and located it under floor, or something. ?? Mine is in my AV closet with my equipment so I use a mid tower case. I never really understood the need to display it. A longer HDMI cable is only $10.

Remote sensors, wireless mice etc... it's all the same operationally. Right ?

BTW: I do have a Cosmos II for my desktop and it's rather nice. But not something you'd ever want in your living room.
This is in the Master Bedroom in a dresser specifically made for small electronics. It doesn't have to be seen but the lady isn't going to want a PC in the closet where her shoes could go.. That said, the system in the family room of the new house isn't even in the family room It is controlled by RF and in the adjacent Office / Guest Room. I'm working on running all the cables through the wall this weekend actually.. Oh, that reminds me, monoprice 10% off site-wide until Sept 1!!

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I like monoprice. It's a tech geeks dream come true.

This is a client HTPC right? SSD only? No storage?

Just grab the nicest case that fits in that case. I like the silverstone stuff.

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It is a client but I need to put some network shared drives in it too or do something else and this project is costing me more money than I want to spend on it right now...

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Right! I'm stocking up on stuff I know I'll need soon at 10% off this weekend..

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I built my new HTPC using this case. Loving it so far.

Short mini-review with pics over at The Green Button. If you have any questions let me know. The assembly is very linear, you can't just start throwing stuff in there, and I had to undo and redo things a couple of times because I forgot, for example, to put the fans in, but it's very cool.

http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/...p=78985#p78985
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I built my new HTPC using this case. Loving it so far.

Short mini-review with pics over at The Green Button. If you have any questions let me know. The assembly is very linear, you can't just start throwing stuff in there, and I had to undo and redo things a couple of times because I forgot, for example, to put the fans in, but it's very cool.

http://www.thegreenbutton.tv/forums/...p=78985#p78985
So how's it on heat with the ceton tuner on it's side?

[I know that they produce some heat from what I've read but I don't know if it is as much as GPU produces or not.]

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So how's it on heat with the ceton tuner on it's side?

[I know that they produce some heat from what I've read but I don't know if it is as much as GPU produces or not.]
Average temps are running about 40 degrees Celsius. Not sure what's typical, but I've seen anywhere from 46-50 in my old case. Keep in mind it does have two 120mm fans blowing directly on it. It's definitely not as hot as a typical GPU.
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What's the "real" cost of this case when you buy the fans and PSU??

That easily adds $50 for nice silent fans and a decent PSU, right?

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