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Here is a thread dedicated to deciding which operating system is better for HTPC use
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If anyone is trying out Ubuntu and needs help, feel free to PM me.
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If you are concerned about a program or game not working in Ubuntu, just ask!
Doom 3 works
Far Cry works
Quake 3 works
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*In the most recent benchmarks I have done, Ubuntu is faster at hard disk read/write than Windows XP. A direct comparison between Ubuntu and Vista has not yet been done.
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Cost of Operating System


Microsoft Windows Vista:
Windows Vista Ultimate OEM DVD: ~$200
Windows Vista Home Premium OEM DVD: ~$120

Ubuntu:
Ubuntu Desktop 6.10 Download: $0
Ubuntu Desktop 6.10 DVD: $10

System Requirements

Windows Vista:
Minimum RAM: 512MB
Disk Space Required for OS: 15GB
Architectures supported:
*x86 and compatible
*x86-64 (64-bit)


Ubuntu 6.10:
Minimum RAM: 256MB
Disk Space Required for OS: 2GB
Architectures supported:
*x86 and compatible
*x86-64 (64-bit)
*Sun UltraSPARC
*PowerPC (non-intel Macs)


Estimated Installation Time


Ubuntu: 22 minutes

Windows Vista:


A/V Format Support with Free Add-on Software


Format-----Vista-----Ubuntu

AIFF---------YES--------YES
ALAC--------YES--------YES
AVI----------YES--------YES
FLAC--------YES--------YES
H.264------YES--------YES
MPEG-------YES--------YES
MP3---------YES--------YES
MP4---------YES--------YES
MOV--------YES--------YES
OGG--------YES--------YES
TTA---------YES--------YES
WAV--------YES--------YES
WMA--------YES--------YES
WMV--------YES--------YES

A/V Format Support with Non-free Add-on Software


Out-of-the-box File System Support


Windows Vista:
NTFS: read, write
FAT 32: read, write
FAT 16: read, write

Ubuntu:
EXT 2: read, write
EXT 3: read. write
REISERFS: read, write
SWAP: read, write
FAT 32: read, write
NTFS: read

Abilities

Ubuntu
*Record Off-the-air HD
*Record SD from an s-video or composite input input
*Timeshift realtime video
*Post-process and filter SD video
*Play CDs and DVDs
*Access media on networked computers
*Play HD-DVDs and Bluray disks (without full audio, cumbersome process)
*Ability to set custom timings for displays, regardless of the EDID.
*Access files on Windows and Linux partitions

Windows Vista
*Record Off-the-air HD
*Record SD from an s-video or composite input
*Timeshift realtime video
*Post-process and filter SD video
*Play CDs and DVDs
*Access media on networked computers
*Play HD-DVDs and Bluray disks with the audio (non-free software required, still some issues with software)
*Ability to digitally manage your rights and play media which requires your rights to be digitally managed

Personal Experience

Ubuntu
greeniguana00: Installation was easy, quick, and painless. The GUI is intuitive and very clean. Installing necessary drivers and software was easy, with the exception of the video drivers with 3d acceleration which involved editing xorg.conf.

Windows Vista
greeniguana00: Installation was easy, slower than I would like, and was interrupted a few times by a BSOD. Installing the necessary drivers and software was easy, with the exception of sound card drivers, which I could never get working properly.

Windows-only software confirmed working on Ubuntu:

*Winamp http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4...eenshothu4.png

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Largest number of Vista BSODs I had in the first hour of use: Let's just say it's more than a few.
DRM =
Cost: $$$
Desktop GUI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0xtj...elated&search=

Number of times Ubuntu has had instability problems: 0
MythTV + LIRC =
Cost: Priceless (it doesn't cost a thing)
Desktop GUI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD6Bi...l%5Fyoutube%5F

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Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux: http://www.ubuntu.com/
It is available for free and is developed by Linux users.

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good luck using all those reserved spots...

for a person advocating the use of ubuntu, i would expect you to alteast write/explain why you believe one is better than the other rather than just opening up a poll and waiting for responses....so far this thread is useless
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@greeniguana00:

Real problem with every new OS is the device drivers.

Show me how my Sound Extreme, nvidia 7600GT and Sony XL1B2 are supported and I might be converted.

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good luck using all those reserved spots...

for a person advocating the use of ubuntu, i would expect you to alteast write/explain why you believe one is better than the other rather than just opening up a poll and waiting for responses....so far this thread is useless

I'm working on it!

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@greeniguana00:

Real problem with every new OS is the device drivers.

Show me how my Sound Extreme, nvidia 7600GT and Sony XL1B2 are supported and I might be converted.

I have no idea what your "Sound Extreme" is. If you are reffering to the Diamond Xtreme Sound 7.1, then it is supported (idk about realtime DDL encoding, though). Your 7600GT is supported. If your Sony XL1B2 is a TV, then it is supported.

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I have no idea what your "Sound Extreme" is. If you are reffering to the Diamond Xtreme Sound 7.1, then it is supported (idk about realtime DDL encoding, though). Your 7600GT is supported. If your Sony XL1B2 is a TV, then it is supported.

It is Diamond Xtreme all right.

DDl encoding is the major reason I use it.

w/o DDL it is useless to me.

My Sony XL1B2 is 1394 200 CD/DVD changer. Should I say changers? I have 4 of them chained thru 1384.

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http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sony_XL1B2

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http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Sony_XL1B2

That's cool nd I can do it, but with my XP I just hook it up and it works.

"Neither" sounds better and better in the poll.

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Let's not gloss over Linux just yet. If the average Joe winds up having to deal with dependancies, compiling, soft links, etc then Linux can be a pretty tough road. There is a learning curve that evangelical Linux users tend to downplay.
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My main Mythtv/HDhomerun setup is installed on Ubuntu, it also serves as my multi-tera byte file/mail/openssh/apache/mysql server and does them all very well. I switched to Ubuntu on the desktop a little over 2 months ago and I like it alot. I've converted a couple of my friends over to Ubuntu and now that I have my Beryl desktop setup (lots of eye-candy and very functional) my wife is now wanting to switch over. The cool thing about Linux is I can do a backup of my current system and take it with me to my other home and restore it to a completely different machine (Intel vs AMD, different graphic cards, sound etc.) and after making the monitor and network changes, I am up and running with the same exact system as at my other location. No way can you do that with Windows. I was programming in .net but have switched to Java using Eclipse and it rocks! I can go on and on about it. Windows still has its place in the world but just not my world anymore!
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There are personality types that think that if you 'do a lot' to get your OS to work and tweak it that it's better.
Just like the car buffs...always working on it and messing with it to spend the time.
I just prefer to buy the Ferrari and be done with it.

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There are personality types that think that if you 'do a lot' to get your OS to work and tweak it that it's better.
Just like the car buffs...always working on it and messing with it to spend the time.
I just prefer to buy the Ferrari and be done with it.

So you would be this guy:


Really, Ubuntu is set up with very, very little user intervention. You may have tried another Linux distro before, but this is different. In fact, someone who doesn't even know what a partition is could set up Ubuntu with no problems.

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So you would be this guy:


Really, Ubuntu is set up with very, very little user intervention. You may have tried another Linux distro before, but this is different. In fact, someone who doesn't even know what a partition is could set up Ubuntu with no problems.

Nah, he stole it.

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Ubuntu's great. Now, if I can only get HD DVD or Blu-ray running on it. And ATI drivers that are worth a damn.

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For me a HTPC means: a computer that drives the signal to the TV and is operated by only a remote. I care more about applications, in this case the front end, not the OS it sits on.

For a *nix type system I have tried Myth (many, many, many times) and thought the layout and overall design was horrible.

For Vista the included MCE I thought the layout and overall design was horrible.

Both play/record TV, play DVD etc.. but its all about user experience in the livingroom for me.

So my vote is neither as I feel both have their shortcomings and none a clear choice for the livingroom.
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I just prefer to buy the Ferrari and be done with it.

Ferrari... OK...
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I watched some of the ubuntu/beryl desktop videos at youtube and even though I'm a windows person I must say they make even Vista look archaic.

I'm going to have to check this stuff out for sure! I don't have a clue about linux but I guess it's time to learn.

I'll still dual boot because lets face it I have to have all the games and things that are windows only as well.

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To answer one criticism in another thread and earlier in this thread, consumer oriented distros like Ubuntu, Freespire/ Linspire and Knoppix *do not* require and compiling or dependency checking by the user.

That's the *whole point* of the Synaptic repositories and *.deb installation files, the equivalent of Windows .msi or .exe installers.

Even if you have to manually download a *.deb installer file, double clicking it is all you need to do to install the package (app). Double clicking automatically invokes the Debian Package Manager, analogous to the Wise installation manager for many Windows installers.
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@greeniguana:

Do you know whether it will work with Acronis OS Selector as my fourth OS on the same PC?

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To answer several app related criticisms in the "Vista Mistake" thread, I also remove Windows Media Player from all my XP builds. I only use Media Player Classic + ffdshow and VLC player on all my XP boxen.

Ubuntu has several Media Player classic equivalents like Totem, xine and Mplayer, with many uses codec libraries whose code base is shared with ffdshow.

Also, on all my XP builds in the past 8 months, I have installed Open Office, not MS Office. I see *no* reason for any average home user to need more than Open Office. If this were not the case, I would have heard feedback from the many family members and friends I've installed Open Office for. This group includes grade school students, college students, professional engineers in Fortune 10 companies, high school teachers in major school districts, non-technical siblings, and of course, Mom .

Yes, you can always call out some obscure macro function or feature that possibly doesn't work in OO vs MS Office, but it has never affected any one of these people- i.e. most consumers wouldn't know the difference.

In summary, to even on XP builds, my standard load consists of 95% free software (most open source, some closed, all freely distributable), so finding Ubuntu equivalents has been easy and most of the time, trivial.

If you are going to try Vista, you should also at least try Ubuntu. It's easy to download the .ISO image and burn it, and boot it live without affecting your hard disk.

Too bad this choice isn't available at retail to uninformed consumers...
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Do you know whether it will work with Acronis OS Selector as my fourth OS on the same PC?

It appears from a quick Google search that Acronis OS selector may not detect an Ubuntu install, but the hits I got were from 2005 and my search was not exhaustive. Perhaps the latest version of OS Selector might update the issue?

FYI, Ubuntu installs GRUB, a free multi-OS boot menu utility, by default. Perhaps you could uninstall Acronis, then use GRUB to select OS's? Works fine on my Ubuntu 6.1/ XP Pro dual boot machine.
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Here is a thread dedicated to deciding which operating system is better for HTPC use.

I also added a poll.

Why did you ask "which is better"? The question should of been what are you using. An open ended question such as "which is better" really doesn't give you any information worthwhile.

Vista might be considered "better" by some, but that doesn't mean they use it. Same way with Ubuntu. You might think Ubuntu is great for HTPC use, but that doesn't mean it does everything you need so you might not run it as your main HTPC OS.

IIRC we have had the Linux vs. Windows poll before. Was it not like 10% of people who actually used Linux on their HTPC?

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It appears from a quick Google search that Acronis OS selector may not detect an Ubuntu install, but the hits I got were from 2005 and my search was not exhaustive. Perhaps the latest version of OS Selector might update the issue?

FYI, Ubuntu installs GRUB, a free multi-OS boot menu utility, by default. Perhaps you could uninistall Acronis, then usee GRUB to select OS's? Works fine ono my Ubuntu 6.1/ XP Pro dual boot machine.

Thanks RGB. Problem is, I now have multiboot of XP, OS X and Vista. There were quite a few tricks involved and I would hate to lose this multiboot.

I "might" try it on the one of my single-boot machines.

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Why did you ask "which is better"? The question should of been what are you using. An open ended question such as "which is better" really doesn't give you any information worthwhile.

Vista might be considered "better" by some, but that doesn't mean they use it. Same way with Ubuntu. You might think Ubuntu is great for HTPC use, but that doesn't mean it does everything you need so you might not run it as your main HTPC OS.

IIRC we have had the Linux vs. Windows poll before. Was it not like 10% of people who actually used Linux on their HTPC?

Chris

Since there is no choice in the major retail outlets (big box stores, HP.com, Dell.com, etc), of course Windows would come out higher in an installed base poll. By asking which is "better", we avoid the retail monopoly advantage of Windows and get an assessment of impressions about the features and design of each OS.
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As a convenience, link to download Ubuntu to try:

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download

Please avoid the 64 bit version and use the 32 bit version (apples to apples with Vista 32 bit installed on most retail consumer machines). 64 bit still needs driver development and tweaking.
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I'm not talking default install, how many people in here us a box from Dell? Unless I missed something, 99% of AVS members either built there own or buy pre-built and the first thing they do with that is reinstall the OS to their likely.

I'm talking what AVS Forum us on their own HTPC, and that's not the question that was asked in the poll.

This opened ended question of "which is better" doesn't tell you anything. You should be asking which OS are you using.

When only presented with Windows Vista, Ubuntu, or Neither most people are going to select between Vista and Ubuntu despite what is on their machine. Asking which of these two is better gives you no real information.

Back to Ferrari's, they are "better" then Fords for sure. That doesn't mean a thing when you consider none of those own or "use" a Ferrari. But I bet you Ferrari would win that poll, with half the people voting driving an American made (err--possible?) car.

BTW, I used Ubuntu before. As with Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake (or whatever they call themselves now), Debian, etc.

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