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post #6481 of 6505 Old 05-01-2010, 03:39 AM
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I've tried it. Still only works with the 9.11 drivers - anything later is knobbled for 2000 series cards thanks to ATI. It's still not spot on so I use the ActiveX one in IE8 and revert back to Beta3 plugin on FireFox & Chrome for some stuff that looks/works better under that.

I've just installed and tested the FlashPlayer 10.1 RC2 on my AGP 2600 Pro Catalyst 9.11, Windows XP SP3 machine. I recently finally got H.264 .mkvs working flawlessly (after discovering the proper way to use ReClock i.e. set as MPC-HC's default audio renderer and not as an external filter) so I was optimistic that I could get flash to accelerate with the Catalyst 9.11 drivers.

Unfortunately, although the GPU is now being used (at ~30% with the CPU at ~90%) with the 720p youtube clip, the quality is pretty poor with a lot of tearing and dropped frames. If I disable HW acceleration GPU does go to 0% and it reverts to a slideshow. This was all in Firefox 3, I tried in IE but somehow that was still using the Flash 9.0 plugin, so no HW acceleration available to test.

Can anyone help me out? I'd like to go back and test beta 3 and 2, could someone point me to a reliable link (it's a jungle out there!)?
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I've just installed and tested the FlashPlayer 10.1 RC2 on my AGP 2600 Pro Catalyst 9.11, Windows XP SP3 machine. I recently finally got H.264 .mkvs working flawlessly (after discovering the proper way to use ReClock i.e. set as MPC-HC's default audio renderer and not as an external filter) so I was optimistic that I could get flash to accelerate with the Catalyst 9.11 drivers.

Unfortunately, although the GPU is now being used (at ~30% with the CPU at ~90%) with the 720p youtube clip, the quality is pretty poor with a lot of tearing and dropped frames. If I disable HW acceleration GPU does go to 0% and it reverts to a slideshow. This was all in Firefox 3, I tried in IE but somehow that was still using the Flash 9.0 plugin, so no HW acceleration available to test.

Can anyone help me out? I'd like to go back and test beta 3 and 2, could someone point me to a reliable link (it's a jungle out there!)?

Try reverting to Catalyst 8.4 with Avivo 10.3 installed over the top. I have a Radeon HD 2400 XT running Flash 10.1 RC2 without a hitch at 720P in YouTube, Hulu Desktop, Boxee and the Firefox plugin. No problem. 1080p looks great in Boxee as well. The one format that is still giving me a problem is 1080i in YouTube. I don't think my GPU can handle it...

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Try reverting to Catalyst 8.4 with Avivo 10.3 installed over the top.

Thanks for the very specific tip, haven't heard that combination before. Usually hear about 8.5 as the previously most stable driver (for DXVA on AGP). You do have an AGP system I take it, or not? And do you run Windows XP SP3? And why do you use these particular versions, pot-luck or have you tested a whole raft of Catalyst and Avivo versions?

It's fairly time consuming for me to downgrade driver versions, with all the reboots and needing to attach a proper monitor instead of the CRT TV, so I hope you understand me wanting a bit more background before chancing it.
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It looks like Catalyst 10.5 may well bring hardware acceleration of L5.x videos (with a recent build of MPC-HC). Unfortunately it looks like ATi may be deliberately knobbling the drivers again so that us 2x00/UVD1 users are being needlessly shafted into a hardware upgrade.

Maybe I should jump ship and buy an nVidia 9400 PCI card (big shame they have no AGP) after all. All I want is an affordable passively cooled card to give my old hardware a shot in the arm and make an all round HD accelerated HTPC from. Why, anno 2010, is there not a single manufacturer that can provide this?
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Phusg,

Yes, I have an AGP card and Windows XP SP3. I've also tweaked the registry using ExDeus' Reg Tweak Scripts v. 0.16, and have installed the AMD CPU driver and their Dual Core Optimizer... just in case that makes any difference.

I was having difficulty trying to get any of the 9.x or 10.x versions of CCC to work, and an earlier post in this thread suggested that 8.4 is a winner. Applying Avivo 10.3 on top of this mess was a little bit of midnight madness, to be honest, since nothing else was working for me and I was about to throw in the towel. It surprised me that the Avivo 10.3 installer didn't spit out any error messages. Note that the Avivo options DO NOT show up in CCC, however the performance of my CPU and GPU during HD video playback in XP media players show that all is good.

"Why, anno 2010, is there not a single manufacturer that can provide this?" Amen to that! I'm already starting to acquire HTPC components for my next build and it is surprising how few options exist for good passively cooled video cards, regardless of the interface. That said, NewEgg has the Gigabyte GV-R455D3-512I Radeon HD 4550 512MB passively cooled card on for $19.99 after rebate with free shipping right now and one of them should be arriving at my door later today...

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Good news: My new card arrived yesterday, looks like it should be a good performer, although the specs list only 80 shaders so I am not sure how much blu-ray post-processing it will be able to do...

Bad news: I'm an idiot. As I was putting the new card up on my spare parts shelf, I read the specs on the box for my old Radeon HD 2400 XT card. It's a PCI Express card, not an AGP. Sorry to mislead you like that. That's what I get for guessing the specs on a machine I built two years ago and recently dragged out of storage.

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Bad news: I'm an idiot. As I was putting the new card up on my spare parts shelf, I read the specs on the box for my old Radeon HD 2400 XT card. It's a PCI Express card, not an AGP. Sorry to mislead you like that.

No need to be so harsh on yourself, not to worry, I hadn't gotten round to this yet anyway... but AGP is a big difference Catalyst driver-wise, the AGP drivers have even more bugs than the PCI-E drivers. So unless someone else with some time on their hands confirms that 8.4 + Avivio 10.3 is a winner for AGP cards, I'll stick to 9.11. I do now have pretty good HD mkv support and I don't watch that much flash video anyway. I will keep my eye's open for possible decent L5.1 support in 10.5, that would be nice and worth sacrificing flash acceleration for. Hopefully someone will come up with an Omega style driver remix with the best of all worlds. Doesn't look like ATi will deliver on that one.
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I have the 2600xt pcie card and its been working fine until I installed catalyst 10.4 now after adjusting scaling on my sharp 46 inch 1080p lcd to 0 it keeps switching back to 15% so not filling the screen. When I look at the settings it says its on 0% but when i move it back to 15 then back to 0 it fills the screen again until it decides to switch. Anyone else having this problem? Also using Windows 7 Pro x64.
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I just want to post my observations after years of trial & error:

I have a HD2600 with Catalyst 9.3 under Vista, aero disabled.
I'm using "YCbCr 4:4:4" as pixel format and a HDMI cable using the special DVI->HDMI adapter.

I calibrated my 50' Panasonic PZ70E plasma using the free HCFR calibration software and the "Eye-One Display 2" sensor. As patterns I used IRE0 to IRE100 HDTV patterns from www.w6rz.net under theatertek vmr9 fullscreen mode.

At the time I didn't know that the pixel format "YCbCr 4:4:4" would pass video unaltered, and compress window levels from 0..255 to 16..235. It gave the most natural video to my eyes, with lots of low-key gray shades.

I did a lot of reading on the video vs pc-level topics and also some experiments, and for my display which can input & display 0..255 via HDMI, I recommend using "YCbCr 4:4:4":

- windows RGB levels are compressed to 16..235

How am I sure ? When using the nokia test patterns (ntest.exe) and absolute black corresponds to the lowest background light on the plasma, and 1% is barely visible (you see some grey pixels dithering when you are close to the display), when you switch from "YCbCr 4:4:4" to Full RGB, all shades up to 8% grey are clipped to full black. When boosting the brightness on my display, they become visible again.

Which means my display can display 0..255 RGB via HDMI, but when sent as "YCbCr 4:4:4", windows black is output as IRE0 (16,16,16) & windows white is output as IRE100 (235,235,235) instead of 255,255,255.

When outputing IRE105 video patterns under "YCbCr 4:4:4", the IRE105 bar becomes whiter then windows white! This is only possible if video levels are unaltered and windows levels are compressed. This is not possible when using full RGB where video 16..235 is expanded to 0..255 and non-video is unaltered.

- video levels vs window levels under "YCbCr 4:4:4"

IRE0 is as dark as windows dark
IRE100 is as dark as windows white
IRE105 is displayed as whiter than white

When you swith to full RGB, windows white also becomes whiter as it is now sent as 255 instead of 235 to the PDP ... . But when absolute black is calibrated to IRE0 under "YCbCr 4:4:4", going to full RGB makes the video oversaturated and shades of dark grey (eg suits) are crushed. It looks like artificial augmented blacklevels. When boosting brightness, the crushing disappears.

- no video alterations ?

I see no difference between avivo, vmr9, directx and direct3d in levels using "YCbCr 4:4:4". I tried:

theatertek renderless vmr9
vlc + directx
vlc + direct3d
tmt + avivo -> IRE105 is displayed not brighter than IRE100, but IRE 0 ..100 look the same as above

and using test pattern

http://www.w6rz.net/ramp.zip

I also tested the colors of the demo 'philips colors of miami' and VLC and TMT have exactly the same color decoding, identical between vlc and tmt.

How can I be sure that TMT doesn't first to

16..235 -> 0..255
and then the card remaps to 16..235

as IRE105 is clipped to IRE100 under TMT and not under VLC.

Does avivo support WTW IRE105 ? Or does it clip >IRE100 ?

I also noticed that in more recent drivers, the pixel format option is gone !

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Hi everyone,

Can someone confirm if it's possible for me to play 1080p mkv files with my setup.

Pentium 4 2.4ghz
1 GB Ram
Video Card: ATI HD 3650 agp

I am using an old viewsonic m1200 for my cpu. I just got hold of ati hd 3650 agp since the board it uses doesn't have pci-e. But I can't seem to play 1080p mkv files. The sounds gets lagged and the video slows down after a minute of playing. I have installed a lot of software from mediaportals to different codecs to classic media players and stuff but to no avail.

Can someone confirm it is possible to play 1080p with my video card and setup and if so, can someone lead me to what i need to set this one up?

Thanks in advance for any help
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Do you have the latest CCC driver installed? I think the 1gb ram is pushing it. You must be running WinXP. I'm not too familiar with what CCC version works best on XP.
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This thread is too long for me to read through. I am trying to play BD discs with TMT3 Platinum and I have a major issue. Wanted to see if this could possibly be the vid card. ATI 2400 XT AGP. The disc will play for a second or two, then pause for 2 or 3 seconds, then play for a second... is there something I need to do to fine tune the settings?
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This looks like nothing that was tied to these cards. I have one, and followed the discussions quite thoroughly.
It looks more like the behavior I had when I had the BD drive on an overall weak system (with this card), mostly a lowly CPU (Barton@2.0 GHz).
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Thanks Roussi. That could be the problem. This is the MLB I was using as my prior HTPC, but I never ran anything through it over 1080i recorded off-the-air with my ATI Home Theater Pro 600 tuner. Looks like I had the right plan in the beginning, I had originally planned on building an ITX system for the bedroom from scratch, then got cheap.
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Has anyone tried the 10.6 drivers? do they help with Flash HD acceleration?
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Has anyone tried the 10.6 drivers? do they help with Flash HD acceleration?

Unfortunately, the HD 2xxx and 3xxx series will probably never support the Flash HD acceleration. ATI drivers support the Flash HD acceleration through its UVD engine. The 2xxx and 3xxx series only have UVD and UVD+ versions. The Flash HD acceleration requires UVD2 (4xxx and 5xxx series). And yes, the IGPs 3200 (780G) and IGP 3300 (790GX) are the exception because they actually have the UVD2 feature. Therefore, they are the only "3xxx" series included in the Flash acceleration support list.

Otherwise, cards with anything less than UVD2 will not support the Flash HD acceleration. Whether this is a specific limitation of UVD and UVD+ or just something that AMD has chosen not to put effort into developing for older hardware is unknown.
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Hello. I recently bought an ATI HD 2400 AGP. I spend a lot of time, to make the system fairly stable with Windows 7 and 9.11 AGP hotfix.

The problem is although DXVA works with every player, I'm getting random artifacts when DXVA is on.

I've tried combinations of those filters and players, but no luck:
-Windows Media Player, MPC-HC latest svn, KMPlayer, PotPlayer
-Microsoft DVT-DVD Video Decoder, FFDShow DXVA video decoder, MPC decoder

Has anyone experienced such a problem?



Also, I have H/W acceleration with the latest version of Flash 10.1. AMD GPU Clock Tool says UVD is active in every resolution, but only in 360p is really stable. Above that, I'm experiencing stuttering caused by high CPU usage.


(sorry for my bad English)
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netw0rx, I had similar issues with a Sapphire ATI 2400 card - I returned it. It was a POS - over time the artifacts got worse no matter how many times I reinstalled the drivers or even after a fresh OS install.

Also, please read a post or two up regarding Adobe Flash. It helps to read some of this thread at least.
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Config Updated

Radeon HD 2400 pro AGP
Intel DualCore 2,4Ghz
1 GB RAM

Windows XP SP3
10.6 Agp hotfix
AMD GPU Clock Tool: GPU set at 720 Mhz and MEM at 530 Mhz (Stock 540-400) Startup script
MPC-HC with VMR-9 Renderless, 3d surfaces, Bilinear scaling, VMR9 Render v-Sync all off
PixelShader 0-255->16-235 active because DVI to HDMI cable used to 16-235 calibrated Sony LCD
Internal MPC h264 DXVA for L4.1 or lower and CoreAVC for rest
PowerDVD 10 Mpeg2 codec used for MPEG2 DXVA on MPC-HC
Set automatic refresh changes on fullscreen playback
Haali Media Splitter
Reclock as audio render
Set Always wait for vsync on Catalyst Control Center, all settings 3D Configuration

No tested Flash DXVA yet but i think does not work


And this is it
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netw0rx, I had similar issues with a Sapphire ATI 2400 card - I returned it. It was a POS - over time the artifacts got worse no matter how many times I reinstalled the drivers or even after a fresh OS install.

I'm completely dissapointed from the card. The Aero performance is TERRIBLE, compared to my old 6600GT. But there are not a lot of alternatives with h/w acceleration for the AGP owners, so I want to research it a little bit more.



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Also, please read a post or two up regarding Adobe Flash. It helps to read some of this thread at least.

No, you misunderstood it. There are a lot of posts here, regarding the Flash issue, so I wrote it to inform that h/w acceleration is possible with 9.11 and the latest version of Flash.
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hey guys I'm building a htpc based on ATI 2400 HD pro AGP in a win 7, P4 3.0 GHz, 2 gig ram. But have read a lot in this thread and am confused on what version of ati catalyst to install and what will be most stable when using DXVA acceleration. I'm reading a lot that i should install 8.4,8.5 and 9.11 ( i haven't been able to find the 9.11 AGP drivers for win 7 could someone post a link please ). I would love to hear from some users to confirm thank you. BTW This htpc will only be used for playing media files and watching bluray disks. Thankyou regards Marty.
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guys, what drivers is best for 2600 pcie?

right now im on 10.5, any above this blue screen with atidag.sys error.
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Thread Necromancy

Anyone tried the latest AGP hotfixes with the 2600 Pro under XP?

Anyone running Win_7 with the same.? Looking to extend the life of an old box to give my youngster.

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Hello, I'm a newbie here. Finally found a thread about the HD 2xxx series.

First of all, my laptop's specs:
- CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo T5750
- GPU: Mobility Radeon HD 2400 128MB
- 2GB DDR2 RAM
- Windows 7 Professional 64 bit version
- Catalyst 11.5
- MPCHC and Haali (32-bit versions, latest stable releases). No codec packs, ffdshow, or AVC Core.

Lately I'm having serious problems when trying to play 720p videos with profile 5.1 (16 ref frames) in MPCHC with DXVA enabled.

It all started when the latest driver updates enabled DXVA playback for video files with high profiles. Before that, DXVA would disable automatically, because the driver didn't give support to such videos. But now the added support is a pain in the ass, because I get a corrupted video, sometimes even corrupting the OS screen, and most of times, the system gets unstable and I get a BSOD. Even with the latest drivers released this month, the problem is still there.

I would want to know if anyone here, desktop or mobility HD 2X00 users are having the same issues. If there's any solution or workaround for this, I'll be grateful to know.
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So, I bought this system today for $70 because my desktop took a dump on me. It was a slap together from different systems I found along the road, completely free, except I had to put it together. Never thought it would last me the two years it did.

Back on topic, this system uses an ABIT IC7 mobo (i875 chipset), P4 3.2GHz dual core, 2GB DDR ram.

This system was shown working to me prior to purchase with windows 7 installed. The hard drive was removed as part of the deal, but I have several, so no big deal. 40GB IDE, I think, was thrown in and windows xp sp2 was loaded. Correct drivers for chipset, as found on mobo installation disk, and ATI drivers are per the installation disk.

There exists a resource conflict, and I cannot change the resource values for any of these. I have been through all the resource settings, and have found that the "VGA SAVE" values directly conflict with those allocated for the 2400 pro.....I tried to disable the VGA SAVE, and rebooted, but now I get black screen.

I downloaded more recent drivers for the 2000 series reinstalled windows, installed drivers, and reboot. Same problem. It is an AGP card, if that makes a difference.

Also, it is error code 12 I am getting, the device cannot find enough resources to use, drivers downloaded for the 2000 series just 4 hours ago are version 8.3, I think. It was a 120MB file.

Any help here would be greatly appreciated.
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