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Hello,
I am building a new PC for My Home Office. Since I am Looking at a 30" Monitor for my PC desktop that does 2560 x 1600 I wanted to look into a higher resolution way of watching TV on this monitor in my Windows desktop. I would like to find a PC card that will do Live Capture of Component Video up to 720p or 1080i so I could watch DTV in a Window on my desktop like the TV application that comes with ATI All in Wonder cards. I wold also like to occasionally record the capture. I am basically looking foe a card and App that will let me watch and Capture up to HD level signals from a CATV or DirecTV STB Component Output. I would like for the solution to be under $2000.

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I looked over the Page here and this does not appear to be what I am looking for. I am looking for a PCI/PCIe card to watch live HD in a scalable window and Capture it on occasion from Component Video inputs. I Found a Card AJA Xena He but the software with it is for video editing only and not really useable to watch TV on. It doesn't scale really. It is meant for editing.
I don't understand why nobody has invented this card yet, it must be a legal issue. I've been trying to find something like this for about 6 years.

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I looked over the Page here and this does not appear to be what I am looking for. I am looking for a PCI/PCIe card to watch live HD in a scalable window and Capture it on occasion from Component Video inputs. I Found a Card AJA Xena He but the software with it is for video editing only and not really useable to watch TV on. It doesn't scale really. It is meant for editing.
I don't understand why nobody has invented this card yet, it must be a legal issue. I've been trying to find something like this for about 6 years.

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Because it's not legal, cost feasible, or user friendly.



The link I gave you is for a modification that works perfectly smooth thru SageTV (via usb 2.0) and fits the requirement of watching in a pc window.


I'm sure others will chime in but in the end the R5000 is the most elegant solution.

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There is also this but it is not without it's limitations.

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There is also this but it is not without it's limitations.

I spent some time with these guys on the phone today and this one won't work. I don't remember the exact kicker, but I believe it captures to a files perfectly, but you can't "Monitor" or "watch" with it.

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Because it's not legal, cost feasible, or user friendly.



The link I gave you is for a modification that works perfectly smooth thru SageTV (via usb 2.0) and fits the requirement of watching in a pc window.


I'm sure others will chime in but in the end the R5000 is the most elegant solution.

This guy just left me his number, and I'm waiting for a call back. I don't appreciate any Legal issues here necessarily for Monitoring as long as distribution is not done. This reminds me of when Cassettes came out.

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This guy just left me his number, and I'm waiting for a call back. I don't appreciate any Legal issues here necessarily for Monitoring as long as distribution is not done. This reminds me of when Cassettes came out.

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What in the world are you talking about?

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What in the world are you talking about?

I'm referring to the guy who sells the R5000. I spoke with him tonight and I don't care for that solution, but thanx for the pointer nonetheless. I think I could make a ton of money if I came up with this card I'm looking for. The AJA Xena card does what I want, I just don't have the "TV" window app for it.

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I'm referring to the guy who sells the R5000. I spoke with him tonight and I don't care for that solution, but thanx for the pointer nonetheless. I think I could make a ton of money if I came up with this card I'm looking for. The AJA Xena card does what I want, I just don't have the "TV" window app for it.

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Do you realize the equipment you need to capture component video stream? If not, feel free to search the numerous threads in this forum that are asked at least a few times a week. IMHO you are trying to re-invent the wheel.

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Do you realize the equipment you need to capture component video stream? If not, feel free to search the numerous threads in this forum that are asked at least a few times a week. IMHO you are trying to re-invent the wheel.

The Xena LHe card will capture component Video, I am interested in Viewing the Live Input as a TV app in a small window or full screen. The SW that comes with the Xena card is made for Editing so it won't do what I want as far as watching Video on my Windows desktop in High res. I've been "searching threads" for years for something to do this. Thus far it does not appear to exist. If you kow where the secret thread is, I would certainly appreciate it!

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Honestly, you're probably better off getting a DirecTV HR20 DVR and hooking that up to your monitor directly. I think most of the 30" ones have component inputs, right? If not, you could get a component -> VGA converter and feed it that way.

It'll be cheaper than any HD capture card and probably work a whole lot better.
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I think the 30" the OP had in mind is the Dell 30". Dell 3007WFP-HC 30" Widescreen LCD


Note: For the best viewing experience, your PC must have a dual-link DVI-D graphics card that supports 2560 x 1600 resolution.

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I think I could make a ton of money if I came up with this card I'm looking for.

Sure, all you need is some hardware MPEG4 encoder that can do real time compression of 300-600 GB of raw video per hour, down to the typical 9 GB of OTA transmissions and you're golden... While you're at it, get it HDCP certified too, so it can also do HDMI/DVI captures...
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Heck, even if he could get it down to 20Mbps MPEG-2 he'd be golden.

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How Does D*TV do it with there hr20 HD DVRs and don't charge $100s of dollars per box?
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Because they're recording it while it's still compressed and digital, not the uncompressed analog signal (aka "component").

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You might take a look at this. Not sure if that's exactlty what you're looking for or not...
Intensity card

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You might take a look at this. Not sure if that's exactlty what you're looking for or not...
Intensity card

Great find. Thanks.

I did not know that such a device existed.

If it actually does what it seems to say it does, I'm interested.

Hopefully anyone who tries one of these will post about their experience.
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Hopefully anyone who tries one of these will post about their experience.

Post #12 has like 6 threads about it...
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Try the Avertv HD DVR High Definition / Analog Video Capture Card PCIe MTVHDDVRR card, from Amazon, best one out. I've tried many other cards, include All-in-Wonders and Happauge. Works straight from a HDMI cable. Easiest card to setup.
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Try the Avertv HD DVR High Definition / Analog Video Capture Card PCIe MTVHDDVRR card, from Amazon, best one out. I've tried many other cards, include All-in-Wonders and Happauge. Works straight from a HDMI cable. Easiest card to setup.

So with this card, you can capture encrypted Directv programs from the HDMI output of the Directv receiver?
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So with this card, you can capture encrypted Directv programs from the HDMI output of the Directv receiver?
Nope. The HDMI input will only work for HDMI that has no HDCP. That is most likely not the case for a satellite receiver. You'll notice Steve Day said "Try the Avertv HD DVR High Definition..." And Steve was responding to an over 5 year old thread!
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Try the Avertv HD DVR High Definition / Analog Video Capture Card PCIe MTVHDDVRR card, from Amazon, best one out. I've tried many other cards, include All-in-Wonders and Happauge. Works straight from a HDMI cable. Easiest card to setup.

Holy necroposting Batman! (thread from 5 years ago) eek.gif

But anyway, a couple of comments, at one point (somewhat recently) neither DirecTV nor Dish had HDCP enabled on their receivers, but I haven't heard heard anything lately, though I think Dish started enabling it on movie channels or more channels or something.

As far as Component capture, I think Hauppauge has what you want:
http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/prods_hd-recorders.html

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I used Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle on Component DTV

http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensity/
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