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The Saphire 4670 GDDR4 Fan Card is very, very, very quiet. You will be happy with it.
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I just wanted to say awesome HTPC guide. Thank you very much.

Can I suggest that you might add a section where you suggest receivers and displays that work well with a HTPC.


Thanks again.

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I just wanted to say awesome HTPC guide. Thank you very much.

Can I suggest that you might add a section where you suggest receivers and displays that work well with a HTPC.


Thanks again.

Are you kidding, that would be huge. This thread is closing in on 8k posts as it is. Folks would never find anything then with that addition.

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Whats the noise level like on that card? Im trying to keep things as quiet as possible without sacrificing quality too much. Also, have you tried onboard graphics in your system? I know there is going to be some quality increase but is it significant increase?

Thanks for the help. Will definitely be dropping a contribution next payday. This is by far the best forum for anything I have ever seen.

Card is quiet.

I never tried onboard graphics, I'm not agreeable to the idea at this time. I like the flexibility of a discrete card.

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Hi All,

I was set to get the GA-E7AUM-DS2H however in reading the forums it seems if I want the best video quality I should be going with a dedicated graphics card. i would rather not pay for the 9400 integrated graphics since I won't be using them however I cannot find a cheaper mATX motherboard that aslo has s/pdif port which is a requirement for me right now. Any recommendations out there? Thanks for your help.

The ATX or microATX mid-range AMD/AMD system.
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Are you kidding, that would be huge. This thread is closing in on 8k posts as it is. Folks would never find anything then with that addition.

Agreed. I'm very grateful for Rene's knowledge in computer components, but asking him to keep track of Receivers too would be too much to ask (and might dilute his availability for PC advice).

I think in terms of Receivers there are only a few items that need to be known:

HDMI 1.3 compliant?
PC compliant (some Receiver's manuals state they aren't compatible with PC output, would be nice to know which ones)
DTS HD and DOLBY TRUHD decoding/passthrough

Sounds like a good idea for a grid, but I have almost no knowledge about the latest equipment. Anyone wanna take up that challenge? (different thread of course)

I'm no expert....so your mileage may vary
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Yes, correct, bad example.

I downloaded two versions of Lost in HD. I'm seeing the 720p one play fine, but once again the 1080p once goes out of sync and the HA does not kick in.

I read on the Radeon HD 2400 post on this forum about people having HA problems with XP Pro. I'm wondering if an upgrade to vista, in addition to a new MB/Ram/Card will fix my problems. Will an upgrade from single-channel ram to dual-channel ram yield a performance increase?

Are you using the latest driver (9.4)? Try Windows 7 RC (free).

HA for a PCI Express card is no problem with any of XP, Vista, Win 7.

Single vs dual has nothing to do with HA and barely affects video playback performance in general.
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Whats the noise level like on that card? Im trying to keep things as quiet as possible without sacrificing quality too much. Also, have you tried onboard graphics in your system? I know there is going to be some quality increase but is it significant increase?

Perhaps (one of) the quietest card(s). Whether you see performance difference between IGP and a good discrete card depends on your usage and your eyes. For HD progressive contents, IGP is just good enough. For HD interlaced contents and SD, IGP is not good enough, IMO.
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First of all, thanks for everything! Long time reader but finally signed up... I think i signed up before, but i can't remember the user name hahaha :P

Anyhow, I am going to build a mini itx system:

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Intel/NVIDIA (Tentative)

System

* CPU: Pentium Dual-Core E5200 2.50GHz LGA775, $64.
* CPU Cooler: SilverStone NT07-775, $23.
* Motherboard: ZOTAC GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi GF9300-D-E LGA775 GeForce 9300 mGPU Mini-ITX, $145.
* Memory: A-DATA ADQVE1A16K DDR2-800 2 x 1GB Kit, $27.
* Graphics Card: GeForce 9300 (integrated in the chipset), $0.
* HDD: Western Digital WD6400AAKS 640GB SATA 3.0Gbps, $70.
* PSU: ATX12V 250W SFX PSU (included in the case): $0.
* Case: Apex MI-008 Mini-ITX, $50. An alternative is Apex MI-100 Mini-ITX, $56 and Apex MI-100BK Mini-ITX, $56.
* Total Cost: $379

I already have a hdd for it, so i'm saving some money there.

One of my questions is, some people are saying in reviews that the NB chipset overheats a little, so i was thinking about getting this heatsink for it: ZALMAN ZM - NBF 47 Aluminum Heatsinks only - Retail
Do you guys think that'll help/work/fit?

Another question is, would this set up be any good for playing games like starwars battlefront or battlefield 2142?

The total of my components on new egg is $352.16 on new egg. These are the pieces:

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Shopping Cart

APEX MI-100BK Black Steel Mini-ITX Tower Computer Case 250W Power Supply - Retail $47.99

A-DATA 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ADQVE1A16K - Retail $29.99

ZOTAC GF9300-D-E LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300 HDMI Mini ITX Intel Motherboard - Retail $134.99

Intel Pentium E5200 Wolfdale 2.5GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E5200 - Retail$69.99

ZALMAN ZM - NBF 47 Aluminum Heatsinks only - Retail $9.99

SILVERSTONE NT07-775 90mm CPU Cooler - Retail $22.00

Subtotal: $315.94
Tax: $29.22
Shipping: $7.00


Grand Total: $352.16

Oh and I tried to add some ram into my old system and ordered 240 pin ram instead of 168 oops :P~ So now i'm stuck with 2gb... but it turns out that this mobo can take this ram, but the ram is pc3200 and the mobo takes pc2 6400... could i save $30 and use the slower ram? Or would that just be too much of a difference?

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@GhettoBSD

Your questions may be better answered in this thread.
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@GhettoBSD

Your questions may be better answered in this thread.

whooooooops well thanks! :P
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@renethx

Thanks for all your help on this forum.

I am going to build a new HTPC and would like to know what you would recommend.

I am going to use the HFX Mini Metal chassi and i am wondering what motherboard and CPU and graphics card you would recommend for that chassi?

Main purpose for my HTPC will be playing 1080p MKV files and FLAC files, no bluray drive.

My budget can stretch it to $1500 max and i would like top components.
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Are you using the latest driver (9.4)? Try Windows 7 RC (free).

HA for a PCI Express card is no problem with any of XP, Vista, Win 7.

Single vs dual has nothing to do with HA and barely affects video playback performance in general.

Yes, I'm using 9.4. I have not tried it on Windows 7. Did that just come out today for technet download?

Also, my card is an AGP card, not a PCI-E. Are you aware of any HA issues with AGP using Win XP? It seems some users are having problems with HA using the AGP version of this card under Win XP.

Thanks for all the help so far!
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I got my case, psu, cpu, ram and HD today. Still waiting on the mobo and fan. I'm planning on downloading Win 7 on tuesday. So all I really need now is an TV tuner and optical drive.

I was planning on getting the cheapest DVD drive I could find, but newegg has the Lite-ON DH-4O1S-58 bluray drive for $70. The lowest prices I've seen on a DVD burner is $23.

So the question is, should I spend $47 more now and have bluray right away (without LPCM until I upgrade the GPU) or just save my money and look for a better deal when I upgrade my GPU in November?
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Woo! All of my stuff is here and I can assemble it this evening.

This is what I have:

Logitech LX310 mouse + keyboard
Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB
LG Black Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32
Antec Fusion Remote Black
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 4670
GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-US2H
CORSAIR CMPSU-400CX 400W
CORSAIR XMS2 4GB
AMD Athlon 64 X2 7750 Kuma

Thanks a bunch to rene for the guide and for steering me away from the 4650.
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@renethx

Thanks for all your help on this forum.

I am going to build a new HTPC and would like to know what you would recommend.

I am going to use the HFX Mini Metal chassis and i am wondering what motherboard and CPU and graphics card you would recommend for that chassis?

Main purpose for my HTPC will be playing 1080p MKV files and FLAC files, no bluray drive.

My budget can stretch it to $1500 max and i would like top components.

HFX Mini is a special case so that it requires hand-on experience to recommend best components for the case. Perhaps you'd better start a new thread.
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Yes, I'm using 9.4. I have not tried it on Windows 7. Did that just come out today for technet download?

Also, my card is an AGP card, not a PCI-E. Are you aware of any HA issues with AGP using Win XP? It seems some users are having problems with HA using the AGP version of this card under Win XP.

Thanks for all the help so far!

Windows 7 RC is available publicly on May 5th. Perhaps you can find the leaked version on the Internet now (Build 7100).

Unfortunately I have never used 2400 AGP.
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So the question is, should I spend $47 more now and have bluray right away (without LPCM until I upgrade the GPU) or just save my money and look for a better deal when I upgrade my GPU in November?

If you want to play BD movies right now, but it now. Otherwise buy a DVD drive. Maybe a BD drive costs < $50 in November.
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[quote=renethx;16362916]You will need a universal remote such as Logitech Harmony (as I recommended on page 85). Yup, 4670 is a good choice for a HDMI AVR. For starters you don't need a fancy server. A decent (Windows) system with a couple of HDDs can be used. As storage space increases (e.g. more than 10 HDDs), you will need a good strategy of archiving media files (hardware/software/OS). Check server recommendations on page 85

I'm wondering about this port (RS232) on the dvp. Would I be able to control the dvp through the htpc? I have 400+ dvd's now. That is one main reason for the htpc, (stop searching through discs.) None are hd or bd yet, would like to migrate into them though. Thats why I ask about the storage solutions. Would like something on my network so others can enjoy also. And be able to grow into. Have alot to learn I know, havent even thought about sotware yet.
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Needed to have 3 posts before I could post a link, HAHA
Here is the link for the dvp port
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Hi all,

First, I would like to thank you (rene) for the massive guide on HTPC thread.

I am a total newbie on computer stuff.

I am planning to build my first HTPC and I have this one HP Pavilion machine from 2007 (product type: m8165cn, if you guys don't mind, please kindly check the full spec in HP website), however, the main specs are as follows:

Intel E6420 (C) DC 2.13 Ghz, 1066 Mhz
RAM 2GB PC2-5300 DDR2
Video: GeForce 8500GT, 512 MB GDDR2 up to 1GB, HDMI

I want to change the motherboard to accommodate 6 or more SATAII ports for hard disk expansion. Right now, the motherboard can only accommodate 4 ports and 1 is already used for DVD and I am running out of harddisk space.
I still want to use the processor, and video and possibly the RAM (as much as possible).

My questions are:

1. Are those processor, video and RAM is adequate enough even for low level HTPC for playing mkv and/or even blu-ray files (m2ts)?

2. If it is enough, then what motherboard do you recommend (6 or more SATAII port) should I want to keep the processor, video and/or RAM. I don't have any budget on my mind, but I welcome any options that are available (also with consideration that it is still upgradeable on the processor side to have more juice on HD playback in the future, when my money is available ^^)?

3. Any other suggestion to maximize the capability of the overall PC based on the current hardware and/or with a little bit change of hardware?

Thanks.

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If you want to play BD movies right now, but it now. Otherwise buy a DVD drive. Maybe a BD drive costs < $50 in November.

If you have the disk space you can get a head start on rips if you get the BD drive now.

I'm no expert....so your mileage may vary
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I'm wondering about this port (RS232) on the dvp. Would I be able to control the dvp through the htpc? I have 400+ dvd's now. That is one main reason for the htpc, (stop searching through discs.) None are hd or BD yet, would like to migrate into them though. That's why I ask about the storage solutions. Would like something on my network so others can enjoy also. And be able to grow into. Have a lot to learn I know, haven't even thought about software yet.

You should be able control DVP-CX777ES (as well as your other devices and HTPC) with Logitech Harmony.

So you are going to rip all 400 DVDs in HDDs, right? (Then you can sell your DVP-CX777ES. ) Just buy a couple of 1TB HDDs like this and rip movies on them using a ripping software such as DVDFab Platinum (shareware)/HD Decrypter (free) or SlySoft CloneDVD. These HDDs can be stored in your HTPC (accessing from another PC is no problem unless you shut down HTPC) or a dedicated server. If you are ripping BD movies, perhaps you will need a server because of a large number of HDDs.

You can access ripped movies from a front end such as VMC (Media Center included in Vista Home Premium/Ultimate) or MediaPortal with an appropriate movie plug-in (e.g. MediaBrowser or My Movies for VMC; Moving Pictures for MP) and play them with the front end's internal player or your favorite player.
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Which case are you going to use?
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You should be able control DVP-CX777ES (as well as your other devices and HTPC) with Logitech Harmony.

So you are going to rip all 400 DVDs in HDDs, right? (Then you can sell your DVP-CX777ES. ) Just buy a couple of 1TB HDDs like this and rip movies on them using a ripping software such as DVDFab Platinum (shareware)/HD Decrypter (free) or SlySoft CloneDVD. These HDDs can be stored in your HTPC (accessing from another PC is no problem unless you shut down HTPC) or a dedicated server. If you are ripping BD movies, perhaps you will need a server because of a large number of HDDs.

You can access ripped movies from a front end such as VMC (Media Center included in Vista Home Premium/Ultimate) or MediaPortal with an appropriate movie plug-in (e.g. MediaBrowser or My Movies for VMC; Moving Pictures for MP) and play them with the front end's internal player or your favorite player.

Thats why I am wondering if the htpc not the remote (so much) would be able to control the dvp thru the rs232 port. It might save all the ripping of the 400+, same cover art, same software running movies. All future rips will be in bd/files of some sort. Am I making any sense with this rs232 port or would it be best to ditch the dvp and go with a server.
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Is there a reason the Hauppauge 2250 is out of stock just about everywhere?

Edit: Never mind, I found it for $118 and its back in stock some places.

I didn't, however. realize that it doesn't have an IR receiver built in. I thought that the 3.5 mm jack at the base of the card was for IR signal, turns out its an audio input.

I have a Harmony 890 and have run either an IR blaster from the RF receiver or just a cable with 3.5 mm connectors from the base to the right port on the PC. This should be a very cheap part. I'm surprised that Hauppauge went with a USB add on instead of just having an IR input on the card like older cards had in the past.

Any tips that aren't on page 85?
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I found this IR-USB receiver. Will it work with my Harmony to control Win 7 media center?
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Hi folks,

Recently assembled my system around the MA78GPM-UD2H motherboard. A major duty for it will be to act as a DVR using the SiliconDust HDHomerun tuner.

But how do I get around this scenario: Power fails. UPS drains, system turns off. Power comes back on. How do I get the system to auto-reboot? Haven't found anything about it in the mobo documentation.

Ideas?

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Which case are you going to use?

Rene, I don't know yet, but I guess I have to accept locally made (Chinese) casing (a little bit hard to find branded casing like you mentioned in the guide, here in a quite small city in China), which for sure, I will look for one that can accommodate 6 or more harddisk in one casing.

Does it really matter which casing that I have to use?

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