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post #16021 of 19197 Old 01-21-2011, 01:16 PM
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You should really do some reading/research b4 posting a negative question.
Maybe start w/ the # of posts and views of this thread.

You have to admire Renethx's patience with some of these guys...

Anyway, giving a little something back: if it's already been covered...sorry

For those who are using Laptop drives, I found a Silverstone 3.5 to 2.5 bay converter that stacks two drives while leaving room for airflow around each drive. The model is SST-SDP08 and runs about 8 bucks and includes all screws you'll need to mount the holder and drives.
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I have been following this thread for awhile and i respect the insight and knowledge here.

Can someone please help me choose a heatsink and fan that will fit my case (please see atched photos) that is as quiet as possible? My current stock one sounds like a kitten in a blender! I prob wont be doing any overclocking. Chip is i7 920. Hope that is enough.


I have never done this before, so ease is a premium. I would rather not have to take the motherboard out if at all possible, but to obtain peace and quiet i would possibly risk it.


Hate to keep hounding you guys....but anyone have a suggestion?
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I liked the small loaf-of-bread mini-ITX sized cases but was really concerned with the design where they place the DVD/BR drive and powersupply directly on the CPU heatsink and fan (that arrangement just destroys airflow). So I was searching for alternatives that had some room to breathe.

I don't think this one has been discussed thus far.
The In-Win BP655 it is a mini-ITX case with a 200w PSU and sells for about $50. (for $10 more you can get it with a 300w PSU)
It is 3.9"high x 10.4"wide x 12.2"long and it has an 80mm case fan, you can fit a full size DVD/BlueRay drive as well as a regular 3.5" HDD (and even an optional second 3.5" HDD). This will replace my AT&T-Uverse DVR just fine.

The smaller units had restrictions to laptop sized 2.5" HDDs and only slim DVD/BR drives but these were compromises I would rather avoid.

*The difference between a slim DVD/BlueRay and a regular one can be $50 or more, so by having the ability to use a standard size ODD is like getting the case for free.
** Since you can use a standard 3.5" HDD (I went with a Samsung 2TB) instead of a 2.5" 500GB laptop drive, like the more cramped cases require, you pay the same price for a drive but you get 4x the storage.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-196-_-Product

My case and HDD just arrived and I am pleased.
Now I'm just waiting for the Sandy Bridge i3s to be released in Feb to get on with this build.
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How come you use video cards in the i3 builds even though they can handle 1080p without any issues?
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Hi, I was curious as to when the older guide will be published, the first page has the older guides will be published every 3 months, the 'Buyer's Guide to Building a Home Theater PC - Holiday 2010' is listed as the older guide but doesn't appear to be updated as yet, the one before that was June 2010?

Great forum... you've done an excellent job here.
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Hi, I was curious as to when the older guide will be published, the first page has the older guides will be published every 3 months, the 'Buyer's Guide to Building a Home Theater PC - Holiday 2010' is listed as the older guide but doesn't appear to be updated as yet, the one before that was June 2010?

Great forum... you've done an excellent job here.

I am releasing the three months old issue for free every month. It is January, so the October issue would be released. Unfortunately there is no issue between July and November.
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Hi renethx,

Cheers for the reply... how we we get our hands on the October version?
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My apologies... I just re-read your response... no guide between July/Nov so does that mean another 2 months for the guide?
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Just sent through a donation... much easier.
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Not sure if this has been asked but there just TOO many pages to go through.
Does anyone have a low cost suggestion for turning on/off a pc with a remote?
Thanks.
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How come you use video cards in the i3 builds even though they can handle 1080p without any issues?

I can think of at least two reasons:
  1. Some of us experience HDMI handshaking issues with our installations
  2. Intel still hasn't addressed the lack of true 23.576Hz playback from the i3.
I gave up waiting for Intel to fix these issues and stuck in an ATI HD5670.

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Renethx,

As per EVGA FAQ ID # 58870 (http://www.evga.com/support/KnowledgeBase/Default.asp), the GT 430 models ask for:

-Minimum of a 300 Watt power supply.
-(Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 22 Amps.)

In your mid-range systems, the suggested PSU, Seasonic S12II-430 Bronze, has two +12V rails @ only 17A.

Could this be an issue ?

Would the Corsair VX450W CMPSU-450VX with a single +12v rail @ 33A be a better choice ?

Thanks
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Need suggestions for "RAID"
Built a WHS from renethx's guide(09)
Currently have 2 (1tb)drives attached to a Highpoint 264x raid controller and 5 (4-1tb) 1(320g for OS) drives directly to motherboard.
Do I set the 2 hdds on the controller to JBOD, will the motherboard then be able to incorporate them with the others for one array.
I would prefer to use the motherboard for the raid.
Or will they run concurrently toghether if both set to raid 5 or 10
Also wich is the better or prefered, raid to use 5 or 10
Thanks for any input.
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Hi All,

Thanks renethx for the latest guide....

Here is the setup I'm creating for a media server (rather than a HTPC connected to a TV), it will serve media players like WDTV/Boxee Box and PS3. So I'm guessing that I'm not reliant on a graphics card/sound card for HD video and sound (True HD, HD DTS) as long as it can done by the client media players I should be good, am I correct with this?

Is this set up fine for ripping BluRays?

In this set up, I haven't added a HBA cos for now I'm happy with amount of connectors on the motherboard

Is there anything else I'm missing...

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0Ghz AM3 95W
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3 AMD SB710 4xDDR3 VGA GLAN 6xSATA2 RAID USB3.0 MicroATX
Memory: Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A 4GB (2x XMS3 2GB) PC-10600 (1333MHz) DDR3
HDD: Western Digital 2TB Green 64MB SATAII WD20EARS
BluRay: Samsung SH-B123A 12x Blu-ray/DVD Combo Drive
Case: iCute S901-5G1 with 25cm FAN Black(NO PSU)
PSU: ?

Do these components go together correctly and what would be the Intel equivalent?
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Need suggestions for "RAID"
Built a WHS from renethx's guide(09)
Currently have 2 (1tb)drives attached to a Highpoint 264x raid controller and 5 (4-1tb) 1(320g for OS) drives directly to motherboard.
Do I set the 2 hdds on the controller to JBOD, will the motherboard then be able to incorporate them with the others for one array.
I would prefer to use the motherboard for the raid.
Or will they run concurrently toghether if both set to raid 5 or 10
Also wich is the better or prefered, raid to use 5 or 10
Thanks for any input.

I don't think so. Yes they will run concurrently. If you go with software RAID, hardware is irrelevant of course (i.e. you can mix them). Whichever. 10 is better in both fault tolerance and performance, but with less storage space.
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Hi All,

Thanks renethx for the latest guide....

Here is the setup I'm creating for a media server (rather than a HTPC connected to a TV), it will serve media players like WDTV/Boxee Box and PS3. So I'm guessing that I'm not reliant on a graphics card/sound card for HD video and sound (True HD, HD DTS) as long as it can done by the client media players I should be good, am I correct with this?

Is this set up fine for ripping BluRays?

In this set up, I haven't added a HBA cos for now I'm happy with amount of connectors on the motherboard

Is there anything else I'm missing...

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0Ghz AM3 95W
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-880GM-USB3 AMD SB710 4xDDR3 VGA GLAN 6xSATA2 RAID USB3.0 MicroATX
Memory: Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A 4GB (2x XMS3 2GB) PC-10600 (1333MHz) DDR3
HDD: Western Digital 2TB Green 64MB SATAII WD20EARS
BluRay: Samsung SH-B123A 12x Blu-ray/DVD Combo Drive
Case: iCute S901-5G1 with 25cm FAN Black(NO PSU)
PSU: ?

Do these components go together correctly and what would be the Intel equivalent?

Yes, they will work.

An intel equivalent would be:

- Core i5-2300 (assuming you want a quad-core; performance-wise dual-core Core i3-2120 [February 20] is closer to Athlon II X4 640)
- GA-H67MA-D2H (or GA-H67M-D2 [no USB 3.0, DVI/VGA only, $10 cheaper] or ASRock H67M [$10 cheaper])
- DDR3-1333 or 1600 2 x 2GB
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Thanks for this guide. I have been looking at this since I wanted an htpc but havent bought one still up to now. This is mainly due to me having an old non hdmi receiver and I cannot afford to upgrade it cause it would cost more than the htpc itself.

Is it possible for me to get DTS Master Audio and Dolby True HD using my old receiver? The Radeon video cards only have hdmi. My receiver has no hdmi.

Once again thanks a lot.
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It is not possible to get DTS-MA or Dolby TrueHD without HDMI into the receiver.

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Is it possible for me to get DTS Master Audio and Dolby True HD using my old receiver? The Radeon video cards only have hdmi. My receiver has no hdmi.

Sending TrueHD/DTS-HD requires HDMI and your receiver must be able to decode these codecs.

Adding an analog sound card is a way around: a software decoder (e.g. ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD) decodes them to LPCM, then sends to the sound card. Possible configurations are:

- Any (customizable) DirectShow player + ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD + any analog sound card
- PowerDVD + Auzentech X-Fi HomeTheater HD
- TMT + ASUS Xonar HDAV1.3 Deluxe

You use your receiver as an amplifier.
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Hello Guys,

I am planning to start working on my new build and was hoping I can get some advice from you. I have gotten latest htpc guide from renethx. I know what to get for most of the components but I have a hard time deciding on cpu/motherboard/gpu combination. I would like to go with the new sandy bridge. I would love to have very quiet system. My system would be mostly used for viewing my media collection, online streaming and some blu ray. I would have 1 - 2 hard drives, blu ray drive, silverstone gd04 case, seasonic power supply.

Here are the choices for components I am not sure about:
Option 1:
- Intel i2500k
- ASUS P8P67-M PRO LGA 1155
- SAPPHIRE 100287VGAL Radeon HD 5670
- Power supply would probably have to be Seasonic 430W

Pros:
- fairly powerful system
- will support 23.976Hz Refresh rate
- could be overclocked in the future if i decide to use the components for my desktop
Cons:
- will be slightly louder becuase of additional fan
- will use more energy
- might be an overkill for most of the tasks that the htpc would be used for (video streaming, playing personal media)


Option 2
- Intel i2500k
- ASRock H67M-GE LGA 1155
- no Video, use intel graphics hd 3000 on the chip
- power supply SeaSonic S12II 380B 380W
Pros:
- quiet
- energy efficient
- could use very quiet seasonic 380 power supply
Cons:
- no 23.976Hz Refresh rate support

Having said that I am split and would love to hear your opinions. I was also thinking of a hybrid system where I would use Intel i2400s processor with P67 motherboard and dedicated graphic card. This would give me discrete graphics but with less energy usage and cooler due to i2400s.
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The gyration air music remote is a fairly cool think I just heard about thanks to this thread. Does anyone know if its possible to use the LCD screen to display playlists from anything other than foobar and windows media player? i.e foobar or xbmc
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First let me say sorry for the double post. Posted over in the MediaCenter forum but realized this is probably the more likely place for the post...

Ok. I was leaning towards doing a sony 400 disc blu ray changer set up in my dedicated home theater with control4 until I came across some youtube videos showcasing XBMC and Windows Media Center 7 HTPCs. Now, I'm leaning heavily towards going this route instead of the changer option.

However, before I make up my mind I have a couple of questions:

1. Will I lose the ability to watch/listen to any resolution/audio that would normally be on a blu ray disc, if I rip blu rays and go this route (lossless audio, etc.)? From what I've learned so far xbmc does not support hd audio? But what about WMC 7?

2. Through this forum, I've learned about the Dell Inspiron Zino HD and configured a system on the dell website and want you guys' opinions/recommendations on this system.

a. AMD Phenom 11 x4 P940 Quad Core Processor
b. Windows 7 home premium edition, 64 bit
c. 6 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHZ-2DIMMS
d. 1TB SATA Hard Drive
e. Dell media remote
f. ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5450 MXM Discrete Graphics card
g. Blu ray disc combo drive
H. THX Tru Studio PC
I. Dell 1520 802.11 b/g/n


I realize there is no tv tuner or blu ray burner. Can I do external?

Aside from that and the relevant software, what else would I want/need in this system in order to stream dvd and blu ray from a server to my front projector?

Get 1080P blu ray video and audio from the streams?

Any information you guys can provide is extremely welcomed and appreciated!!

Regards...
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First let me say sorry for the double post. Posted over in the MediaCenter forum but realized this is probably the more likely place for the post...

Ok. I was leaning towards doing a sony 400 disc blu ray changer set up in my dedicated home theater with control4 until I came across some youtube videos showcasing XBMC and Windows Media Center 7 HTPCs. Now, I'm leaning heavily towards going this route instead of the changer option.

However, before I make up my mind I have a couple of questions:

1. Will I lose the ability to watch/listen to any resolution/audio that would normally be on a blu ray disc, if I rip blu rays and go this route (lossless audio, etc.)? From what I've learned so far xbmc does not support hd audio? But what about WMC 7?

2. Through this forum, I've learned about the Dell Inspiron Zino HD and configured a system on the dell website and want you guys' opinions/recommendations on this system.

a. AMD Phenom 11 x4 P940 Quad Core Processor
b. Windows 7 home premium edition, 64 bit
c. 6 GB Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM at 1333MHZ-2DIMMS
d. 1TB SATA Hard Drive
e. Dell media remote
f. ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5450 MXM Discrete Graphics card
g. Blu ray disc combo drive
H. THX Tru Studio PC
I. Dell 1520 802.11 b/g/n


I realize there is no tv tuner or blu ray burner. Can I do external?

Aside from that and the relevant software, what else would I want/need in this system in order to stream dvd and blu ray from a server to my front projector?

Get 1080P blu ray video and audio from the streams?

Any information you guys can provide is extremely welcomed and appreciated!!

Regards...

I did post an answer to your question on the WMC thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2708

Cheers,
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Hi all
how do you guys think about nmediapc 8000 wooden case?
I see it somehow big, but my wife likes it (women !!)
it seems to have a good airflow and a lot of rooms to cable management, but I'm always skeptic about the idea of "a space for 4 HDDs", isn't that an opposite to the principle that HTPC should be "cool and quite, and consumes the least amount of power"?

of course I know that I don't have to mount 4 HDDs just because the case allows me two, I'm not that stupid !!
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Does EVGA 01G-P3-1430-LR video card have a mini hdmi connector or a regular one?
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first i want to say great work on the guide. i just donated the other day and your post and info is really helping me out. it is very well put together. I was wondering if I can get a opinion on my setup that I plan to put together. trying to make it simple using your guide to build my setup.

Case - silverstone gd04b
Processor - i5-2500k
Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H LGA1155 Intel H67
Memory - G.SKILL F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH
PSU - Corsair 450VX
Hard drive - got some laying around

for cpu cooler can I run the stock or should I get cpu cooler?
down the road later this year I will add a ssd hard drive. then also add a graphics card like a gtx460 which means I would need to upgrade the PSU and put on a aftermarket cpu cooler. correct?
also will switching out from a h67 to p67 make a difference with the added upgrades?
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first i want to say great work on the guide. i just donated the other day and your post and info is really helping me out. it is very well put together. I was wondering if I can get a opinion on my setup that I plan to put together. trying to make it simple using your guide to build my setup.

Case - silverstone gd04b
Processor - i5-2500k
Motherboard - GIGABYTE GA-H67MA-UD2H LGA1155 Intel H67
Memory - G.SKILL F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH
PSU - Corsair 450VX
Hard drive - got some laying around

for cpu cooler can I run the stock or should I get cpu cooler?
down the road later this year I will add a ssd hard drive. then also add a graphics card like a gtx460 which means I would need to upgrade the PSU and put on a aftermarket cpu cooler. correct?
also will switching out from a h67 to p67 make a difference with the added upgrades?

Will this do anything besides HTPC duties?
The 2500K is a waste unless you plan to overclock in the future (for games, or whatever, not HTPC) with a P67 or future chipset motherboard, only then would you need an aftermarket heatsink and fan.

My Sandy Bridge Gaming/HTPC Build

Cyrix PR166+ → AMD K6 200 → Intel Celeron 266 → AMD Athlon 1GHz → AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ → Intel i5-2500K
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