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No, "T" verstion won't lower the power cosumption at idle and moderate usage such as video playback and streaming videos.

The max power consumption of your system is < 100W. So you can go with a PSU of lower output (e.g. picoPSU) if you prefer.

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No, "T" verstion won't lower the power cosumption at idle and moderate usage such as video playback and streaming videos.

The max power consumption of your system is < 100W. So you can go with a PSU of lower output (e.g. picoPSU) if you prefer.
Hi renethx, thanks a lot! Last question, is i3 with HD4000 iGPU good enough for MadVR?
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madVR is highly configurable. You can enjoy the power of madVR even with weak GPU such as Intel iGPU (e.g. excellent color space conversion and dithering, debanding, inverse telecine). High quality scaling by madVR requries a powerful GPU, however.
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madVR is highly configurable. You can enjoy the power of madVR even with weak GPU such as Intel iGPU (e.g. excellent color space conversion and dithering, debanding, inverse telecine). High quality scaling by madVR requries a powerful GPU, however.
Hi, thanks! I only play 1080P, so scaling is not important to me. I need good chroma/luma upscaling though Thanks again for the help!
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Hi guys,


While my HTPC is going strong, my "HTPC Support PC" is having problems. It's based on a 6 year old Gateway full size tower PC, around an RS780 (rev 1.0) motherboard with an AMD Phenom 9550 quad 2.20 processor. Anyway, whenever it is shut all the way off, it becomes completely unresponsive to the power button unless I pull the CMOS battery (which I have replaced, without any change in behavior). It will then come back to life... I reset appropriate parts of the BIOS (Date, graphics setup, boot order) and it boots fine. If anyone has any idea how to fix this, please let me know! The PC is adequate for my support needs.


Anyway, if I can't fix it, it looks like I'm in for a new motherboard/CPU/memory. Looking for something with plenty of SATA ports (I've got 1x 2.5" SSD, 2x 3.5" drives, two optical drives) and the usual stuff, but it doesn't need to be latest greatest. A good deal on reliable time tested components would be fine, as I'm coming from a pretty old basis. I'm running Win 7 home premium x64... will try to get MS to let me port the license due to MB failure.


Any recommendations, either to fix the problem I've got now, or recommended replacement components? Thanks guys!

EDIT: My HTPC runs on AMD processor and ATI graphics (Radeon 5670 if I recall) so I'd prefer to keep my support PC on the same general platform, for testing things out. Switching to say Intel/Nvidia graphics is something I'd prefer not to do on the support PC unless there's a compelling reason to do so.
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What roles does the 'support' PC play? Anyway, quick comparison:

Phenom X4 9650 vs. A8-5600K
Core i3-4330 vs. A8-5600K

If you prefer AMD, A8-6600K (with integrated graphics) with a A88X chipset motherboard is an option. If you can spend more, Core i3/i5/i7 (with integrated graphics) with a H97/Z97 motherboard is a better choice (consuming less power, more powerful). For example, x264 encoding performance is typically

- A8-6600K: 12.62 fps, 136 W
- Core i3-4130: 14.05 fps, 62 W
- Core i5-4670: 23.09 fps, 84 W
- Core i7-4770: 27.78 fps, 96 W
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Support PC is used for all dvd/Blu ray ripping and episode sorting-out. Also used to test new software before deployment to htpc.

Thanks for suggestions. Will review tonight. Any ideas what might be behind the odd motherboard issue I've got? You are sort of my guru... been following you for 5 years now!

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For your purpose, perhaps Celeron G1840, ~$45, along with a B85/H87/H97 mb is enough, that is a lot faster than Phenom. Pentium G850 vs. Phenom X4 9650 (Pentium G850 is two generation older than Celeron G1840).

Maybe some components on the motherboard became bad?

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For your purpose, perhaps Celeron G1840, ~$45, along with a B85/H87/H97 mb is enough, that is a lot faster than Phenom. Pentium G850 vs. Phenom X4 9650 (Pentium G850 is two generation older than Celeron G1840).

Maybe some components on the motherboard became bad?
Thanks Renethx. At this range, I can swing the A8-6600K you mentioned, and it's about twice the processor power I've got now, plus a nice ATI 8570 integrated. It would be plenty. What's a good current board these days? I guess since I've got an old style tower I'm in for an ATX board. And, does the processor come with a cooling fan or should I buy a separate one?


My current fan makes a lot of noise... looking forward to something a bit quieter. Doesn't need to be silent though.


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Either MSI A88X-G43 or GIGABYTE GA-F2A88X-D3H, ~485, is recommended. The features of these motherboards are almost the same, including 8 SATA ports.

The stock cooler tends to be loud under load. Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus, $30, is a cheap, quiet, good tower cooler.
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Good stuff, thanks. So, it looks like I can do the AMD system for under $250, plus the cost of RAM.


But now that I look at it more, I'm kind of thinking the i5-4670 may be the way to go. If I ever refit the HTPC, I would probably move it to an Intel based system anyway. My HTPC is from April 2009, so it is getting long in the tooth, for all it is working fine.


So, going i5-4670, I would probably get the (K) variant of it, just in case I ever want to overclock. I can get one of these for around $200 on Amazon Prime. For motherboard I was looking at this one:


GIGABYTE GA-Z97-HD3 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Having trouble with links today, but here it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-715-_-Product


Or maybe cheaper:


MSI Z97 PC Mate LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-779-_-Product


There are so many memory choices. What would you suggest for 8 GB RAM ?


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Core i5-4690K (the current highest), 4670K (the former highest) or 4590 (non-K) is a good choice.

ASRock Z97 Pro4 is perhaps a better (or the best) buy: Intel Gb LAN, optical audio out, M.2 card, SATA Express card; none of them is supported by GIGABYTE or other Z97 motherboards in this price range.

Memory: any DDR3-1600 4GB x 2 should be good, e.g. G.SKILL F3-1600C9D-8GAB, $76. If you are interested in memory overclocking, G.SKILL F3-2400C11D-8GAB, $84.
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The ASROC board looks good. I really like having INTEL LAN.
But I just noticed the motherboard in my PC is a micro ATX, not full ATX like I assumed.. I thought it was the larger full size ATX but it's apparently not.


Should I go with a comparable ASROC mATX or is there a better deal to be had on mATX size? I'll be ordering parts later today to move this along. I had another problem with the PC yesterday while running some tests, and almost couldn't get it to boot back up.


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If your case supports a full ATX motherboard, go for a full ATX mb, no reason to choose a microATX mb (there are more, better ATX motherboards). Otherwise, for example, MSI Z97M-G43 (Realtek LAN). ASRock and ASUS released several good Z97 microATX mb, but they all have two PCI slots, totally a waste of real estate (unless you still have PCI devices). ASUS GRYPHON Z97 has four PCI Express slots and Intel Gb LAN, but is pricey (> $160).
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If your case supports a full ATX motherboard, go for a full ATX mb, no reason to choose a microATX mb (there are more, better ATX motherboards). Otherwise, for example, MSI Z97M-G43 (Realtek LAN). ASRock and ASUS released several good Z97 microATX mb, but they all have two PCI slots, totally a waste of real estate (unless you still have PCI devices). ASUS GRYPHON Z97 has four PCI Express slots and Intel Gb LAN, but is pricey (> $160).

I'm really surprised, but I think I have to go mATX. The current board measures mATX spec (9.6" square, right?) as far as I can tell with my plastic ruler in there and there's not much additional room to stick an ATX board in (12" x 9.6" right?). I'll attempt to put in a picture but I've had trouble with the recent edition of the forum. See what you think.


Meanwhile please pm me your paypal address, I'd like to send a little thank you gift for the help you've given me.

Thanks Rene!


PS: the small board at the bottom of the picture is a modem card! <chuckles>
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Sorry to hog the thread, but hopefully this is relevant since this PC does a lot of ripping and the occasional transcode!


I looked at:


MSI Z97M-G43 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

But noticed it has only 4 SATA ports. That's a problem, since I currently have 5 SATA devices and might want to go to 6.

This Gigabyte board has 6 SATA ports:

GIGABYTE GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

It has Qualcomm LAN chipset... I've never (knowingly) used one. Not sure if it maters or not. Have a preference for Intel but if it works, it works...

I'm still poking around a bit. Having fun, sort of. Got Newegg to narrow it down to 7 micro ATX Z97 boards with 6 SATA ports.


EDIT. I think it's down to the Gigabyte mentioned above, and this one:


ASRock Z97M OC Formula LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard

They have very similar specs. I screened out some others due to lack of a PS2 port (I like my keyboard which is PS2). Neither is Intel networking, but c'est la vie. Of course I could always get a PS2 to USB adaptor...

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Killer E2200 (became popular among gamers) is equivalent to Intel Gb LAN, better than Realtek. So you can go for either motherboard.
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Thanks again.


From Amazon I bought the 4670K, a 212 EVO cooler, some Arctic silver in case I need it, and a mini motherboard case speaker in case the MB doesn't have a beep function.


From Newegg I bought the overclockable memory you mentioned (probably won't over clock, but nice to have options), the Asrock motherboard (flipped a coin), and for good measure threw in a new 120 GB SSD (bought a new Transcend SSD340). This lets me keep my existing OS hard drive safe and sound if I need to go exploring the drive for forgotten files.


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Killer E2200 (became popular among gamers) is equivalent to Intel Gb LAN, better than Realtek. So you can go for either motherboard.
So, I've got the ASROCK and plan a build on Thursday. But I may have goofed.


I was looking at the existing power supply LiteOn PS6301-06A and it has a 24 pin ATX power and a 4-pin power cable. The new board looks like it wants the 24 pin plus an 8-pin. Unless there's another 4-pin "half" of an 8 pin buried in there somewhere, I might be out of luck.


Other than "get new power supply" is there any suggestion? The 4-pin looks to have 2 black wires (ground?) and two yellow-black striped wires.


Any thoughts appreciated.


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EDIT: Never mind! I did some research and it looks like adaptor configurations are dodgy at best. It's worth ~$40-50 just to go pick up a power supply locally. The only problem is finding time to do it before my busy build day. Likely will buy the Thermaltake TR2 430W or something else local at Fry's. The only thing is most of these supplies don't list an 8 pin connector, and lots of them only list 1x 4-pin +12. What specifically should I look for in specs?


Further edit: I snuck out tonight and got the TR2 430. No worries. Connectors should be fine. I probably should have (a week ago) just bought a new ATX case with built in power supply... would have been a better deal overall. But, all the parts from the "old build" (except for the wonky motherboard) will go into a new build for my kids to use, later this summer. I just have to find a "new old" motherboard that can take the old Phenom 9550. Not sure if I need ATX or microATX yet... getting a case /PSP from my dad in a month.

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I got my build done on Thursday. There were a few snags: I didn't check specs on the Evo212 cooler I bought, and after going through considerable trouble to install it, found it was too big for the case. I eventually went out and bought a smaller one (Vortex Plus) to allow me to get the case side cover back on. Also, the ASROCK board has the SATA ports sticking out to the side, in the plane of the motherboard, instead of sticking up. Drat the luck, they pointed right at a sort of bulkhead in my case, blocking attachment of the cables. I had to bend the bulkhead out of the way. This was not too difficult and I eventually got things settled in. This is the first board in my albeit limited experience where the SATA ports stick to the side instead of up, so I hadn't even considered it. The picture clearly shows it but I wasn't paying attention. Oh well, problem solved.


Things are working well but my fans are humming relatively loud... I'll see about utilities to quiet them.


In the meantime, I'm planning a build for my kids using most of the old parts... but I need a motherboard for the Phenom 9550 (AM2+). Newegg doesn't seem to have any boards for AM2+ with four RAM slots (because I've got 4 sticks). Anybody got a line on a decent board for AM2+ available anywhere with four slots? The case I'm planning to use isn't yet in my possession, so I'm not sure if it's ATX or microATX, but I can always buy a different case if needed to fit whatever board I get.

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im looking to build a small size HTPC
just for playback using XBMC
and be silent
i'm leaning toward the antek isk-300 since it has a ODD and space for small size PCI board at the back (plan is to get a vid card that will support the 4K output in the future)
8gb ram probably enough
a 128 or smaller HDD just for OS (i like win 7)... files will be on server

PSU i saw i can use a pico PSU question is what power?
CPU ? i5 with onboard will likely be enough for bluray
CPU cooler - the shuriken 2 ?
ODD- whats a quiet bluray reader?
dont know what motherboard (need gig-e lan) ...
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CPU: Celeron G1840 or Core i3-4130 (for BR 3D). You can go with Core i5-4590 (or higher), but in future all 4K HEVC decoding will be done by GPU, so a powerful processor is unnecessary.
CPU Cooler: Stock, or Noctua NH-L9i, perhaps the best cooler inside ISK 300 case
MB: MSI H81I or ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac if you want to spend more. There is no difference in video playback, of course, you just get more features such as M.2 card, SATA Express card, IEEE802.11ac, etc.
Mem: F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ (4GB is enough even for 4K video playback) or F3-2400C11D-8GAB.
GPU: Intel HD Graphics (Haswell)
SSD: Crucial MX100 128GB
PSU: ISK 300-150. If you add a discrete card in future, you'd better use this PSU.
Case: ISK 300-150
ODD: Panasonic ODD: UJ-240

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