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i just bought this ram and its running fine but according to pic its not running 4-4-4-12,can someone guide me on which settings need to be change in the dram menu?

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renethx, incredible work. Thanks! I have been considering building my own HTPC for a while. I currently have an HP z558, and the fan noise is unacceptable with it running Vista. I am looking closely at your recommendations, and I have been reading this thread for quite a while. My question: Are your recommended systems optimized for minimal noise? I realize that you cannot have actually tried all the recommended systems, but noise is my main concern.

I need an HTPC that is QUIET, can handle OTA HD. I don't need Blu-Ray. My z558 actually does what I need, but the noise is loud, plus it runs hot, so I doubt it will ultimately last that long. I am not concerned about price so much, I just want a quiet system that handles OTA HD nicely. Which recommended config do you think is the quietest? Thanks again for the incredible amount of work you have done.

There are four sources of noise: CPU cooler fan, GPU cooler fan, case fans and PSU fans. I chose components carefully to minimize fan noises. So basically any of my recommendations should be good. For example, Low-End I MicroATX system: no CPU fan (CPU can be cooled passively), no GPU fan, PSU & case fans are very quiet (for most people). In case you don't like the case fans, you can replace them with quieter ones or use Zalman Fan Mate 2 to turn down fan speed.

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i just bought this ram and its running fine but according to pic its not running 4-4-4-12,can someone guide me on which settings need to be change in the dram menu?

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4-4-4-12 is CAS-tRCD-tRP-tRAS.

- CAS = DRAM CAS# Latency (Column Address Strobe): set 4
- tRCD = DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: set 4
- tRP = DRAM RAS# Precharge: set 4
- tRAS = DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: set 12

You also need to set "DRAM Voltage" to 2.1V.

BTW lower timings affect only memory-intensive tasks like games. I would leave them to default for a HTPC.

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thx renethx for that info,hmm the asus book doesnt say anything on how to go into safe mode with this asus board i press f8 and that just gives me boot order of devices not safe mode,anybody know how to do that?

edi:nevermind i just found out how to do it,its a lil tricky heh,u press f8 after u choose device in boot order menu
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renethx,

Do you have an update to your Core_2_MB_(2007-11-18).zip spreadsheet by chance? There are a couple newer boards, like DFI, who are usually late in the game. And X38/48 boards?

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There are four sources of noise: CPU cooler fan, GPU cooler fan, case fans and PSU fans. I chose components carefully to minimize fan noises. So basically any of my recommendations should be good. For example, Low-End I MicroATX system: no CPU fan (CPU can be cooled passively), no GPU fan, PSU & case fans are very quiet (for most people). In case you don't like the case fans, you can replace them with quieter ones or use Zalman Fan Mate 2 to turn down fan speed.

You forgot Hard Drive noise. It can be quite considerable.

The Western Digital Green Drives have received the lowest noise levels every recorded by Silent PC Review (SPCR).
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You forgot Hard Drive noise. It can be quite considerable.

The Western Digital Green Drives have received the lowest noise levels every recorded by Silent PC Review (SPCR).

Oops! I forgot it. My recommendation Samsung HD501LJ 500GB is almost as quiet as WD GP (Green Power) at idle:

- Samsung HD501LJ: 35.9dB/A at 3m
- WD GP WD10EACS: 35.9dB/A at 3m

WD WD5000AACS and WD7500AACS are GP 500GB and GP 750GB. A general consensus (?) is that WD GP is good for storage but not that great for system drive. I am not sure of this point.

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renethx,

Do you have an update to your Core_2_MB_(2007-11-18).zip spreadsheet by chance? There are a couple newer boards, like DFI, who are usually late in the game. And X38/48 boards?

Robert

Lately I have not updated the spreadsheet. The next major update will be when Intel 4-Series chipsets are released in June.

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Sorry in advance for the crosspost, but I found this HTPC forum after I'd posted in the PZ85U Owners' thread earlier today.
I recently got a Panasonic 50PZ85U 50" plasma display.
I haven't decided on a home theater setup yet (won't go 5.1 surround, not enough room in my NYC apartment for that).
Will try to find high-end SMALL satellites+center+subwoofer;or a soundbar/subwoofer---still much research to do on this.(Like the Definitive Technology so far)

I initially set up my connections:
My Cablevision SA8300HD DVR goes HDMI>HDMI 1 on the TV(works great)
MY PHILIPS DVP5982/37upconverting DVD player goes HDMI>HDMI 2 on the TV(works fine for upconverted SD DVDs to 1080p)
My high-rise apt building's coaxial OTA antenna cable goes into ANTENNA 1 on the TV(does already receive many of the NYC region 1080i broadcasts)
I will be getting an AVR soon perhaps the Onkyo TX-SR705 7.1.

Question: is that I will build a cheap HTPC (I hope below $1000) with some different specs: NO gaming or media encoding and just light internet browsing
(I have 3 other PCs @ home for that.)(This HTPC will be for playing my CDs, .mp3s, FLACs, some .avis; some possible BluRay playback with a drive like the LITE-ON Black 12X DVD-ROM 32X CD-ROM SATA Blu-ray DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-4O1S-11 - OEM ;
with sound going from a PCI card like the HT OMEGA CLARO 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail
out to an AV Receiver thru an Optical S/PDIF OUT, and video going to connect with a DVI-to-HDMI cable to the TV, probably in HDMI 3 (since the PC will be placed on that side of the TV, just until I get the AVR).

In addition,since my building's roof antenna cable feeds me many OTA HDTV local stations, should I consider a TV tuner card to record the occasional HD show to my HDD? What card would you recommend? An s-video input to record my SVHS tapes to DVD would be a plus worth paying for.

Finally what would be the minimal Intel PCU to consider, My first thought was a Intel Pentium E2200 Allendale 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail but some forum experts seem to have BD playback issues with a low end CPU . Anyone recommend an big upgrade here to an Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 Allendale 2.2GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80557E4500 - Retail or Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80570E8400 - Retail?

My parts list so far:
CASE: SILVERSTONE SST-SG01-B Black Aluminum MicroATX Desktop Computer Case - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16811163050)
MB: ASUS P5E-VM HDMI LGA 775 Intel G35 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16813131237)
POWER: CORSAIR CMPSU-450VX ATX12V V2.2 450W Power Supply
(http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16817139003)
CPU: Intel Pentium E2200 Allendale 2.2GHz 1MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor - Retail or E4500 or E8400? if necessary
(http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16819116063)
MEMORY: CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
(http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820145177)
HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE16 WD6400AAKS 640GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
(http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16822136218)
BD:LITE-ON Black 12X DVD-ROM 32X CD-ROM SATA Blu-ray DVD-ROM Drive Model DH-4O1S-11 - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106227)
SOUND:HT OMEGA CLARO 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16829271002)
KEYBOARD: Logitech diNovo Edge 2-Tone 84 Normal Keys 9 Function Keys USB Bluetooth Wireless Mini Keyboard - Retail
(http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16823126008)



Many thanks for any help or comments.
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To my knowledge the 780G chipset scores about 93 of 130 in a HQV test. If I'm not mistaken a graphic card like Geeforce 8600GT or ATI 3650 scores almost 100%. But how visible are the differences? Does it really matter on a 42" or 50" good quality screen? Gaming is of no importance to my.
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- Your system can't play back the newest audio codecs (DD+, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD MA) via HDMI at full resolutions. There is only one (or two) way to do so in near future (with the upcoming PowerDVD 8.5):

1. Use the ASUS Xonar AV1 or Auzentech X-Fi Prelude + HDMI X-Tension sound card (not a cheap solution).

2. Use a GeForce 8200/8300 mb (for AMD or Intel), an Intel G35 mb or an Intel G45 mb. The newest audio codecs are decoded to LPCM by PowerDVD and sent over HDMI. So you don't need (and can't use) a discrete graphics/sound card. G35 does not support hardware acceleration.

Right now CyberLink has not announced the list of supported motherboard GPUs, so I am not sure if the second option gives full resolution sounds because the HDMI audio controller must be able to decrypt audio data encrypted by PowerDVD. Even if you use AnyDVD HD and the content is not AACS-encrypted any longer so that the encryption-decryption process is not involved, I am not 100% sure if you get full resolution with PowerDVD 8.5. But you surely get 7.1 channel 16-bit/48kHz LPCM over HDMI with these mb GPUs and PowerDVD 7.3/8.0/8.5/TMT/Nero. (But then the only advantage of HDMI audio over S/PDIF is 7.1 surround sounds.)

- The combination of Core 2 Quad Q6600 and ASUS P5K Deluxe is not good from the viewpoint of power consumption and heat output. Core 2 Quad Q9300 runs cooler than Q6600. But unless you do lots of transcoding, Core 2 Duo E8400/E7200 is enough. The ASUS board consumes about 30W more power than the other P35 boards (due to the bad PWM circuitry).

- The performance difference between DDR2-1066 and DDR2-800 is very small in HTPC. You may choose cheaper DDR2-800 modules.

Thanks Renethx.

My building this system is highly dependent on the new codec's i have a pretty kick butt 7.1 system and i must have that abilty to play these, IMO thats the best thing about the HD world is the new Audio codec's. With that being said i'm willing to go with the ASUS Xonar AV1 if that what going to give me the audio that i desire. i'll save money on DDR201066 by going with the 800, and will go with the Core 2 Duo E8400.

I'm not restricted by a budget so much, but i would like to spend it wisely, with the components that i have listed what would be your recommendations for a system and my requirments.. which mainly is HD playback 1080p, and Audio codec's and able to expand for future

Also whats the difference between Xonar D2 and the Xonar AV1
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Well, I would recommend a different, cheaper mb with a discrete grahics card instead of getting a powerful CPU, like Low-End II in MicroATX system. A sound card is unnecessary if you use S/PDIF. You may not get surround sound from some BD movies, though (read this post). Low-End I is better in this respect as the mb supports DTS Connect. Check my guide for TV tuner.

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To my knowledge the 780G chipset scores about 93 of 130 in a HQV test. If I'm not mistaken a graphic card like Geeforce 8600GT or ATI 3650 scores almost 100%. But how visible are the differences? Does it really matter on a 42" or 50" good quality screen? Gaming is of no importance to my.

93 is bit-tech.com's result. AnandTech said "The 8.3 drivers allow the 780G with a Phenom to score 122 out of 130 points and 113 with the 4850e". But it seems that 780G has the same problems as 690G in DVD playback quality (related to jaggies in interlacing). Many users don't notice them, but some do. Please read the 690G thread.

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Also whats the difference between Xonar D2 and the Xonar AV1

D2 is a traditional sound card with analog and S/PDIF out/in. It supports the new audio codecs only in analog forms. On the other hand, AV1 takes video signals from a graphics card via HDMI in, muxes them with audio (in full resolutions), then sends the A/V signals over HDMI out.

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Oops! I forgot it. My recommendation Samsung HD501LJ 500GB is almost as quiet as WD GP (Green Power) at idle:

- Samsung HD501LJ: 35.9dB/A at 3m
- WD GP WD10EACS: 35.9dB/A at 3m

WD WD5000AACS and WD7500AACS are GP 500GB and GP 750GB. A general consensus (?) is that WD GP is good for storage but not that great for system drive. I am not sure of this point.

Wow, nice sound level for that drive! I need a new system drive, so I will look at that one.

I noticed an issue with speed of transfer for the system drive, so I moved my GP to the second, storage, drive. With its power saving ability when not in use, I am a happy camper when I am not playing the ripped DVDs.
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I wonder where is that Antec NSK2480 for $75? The best I could find is around $100.
Is it just me or this guide has unrealistic prices?
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I need to ask the PC gurus in here a question: My current PC (MSI PT880 Neo-LS):

Supports 8 memory banks using four 184-pin DDR DIMMs.
Supports up to 4GB memory size.
Supports Dual channel DDR266/333/400MHz and up.
Supports 2.5v DDR SDRAM DIMM.

So can I buy any DDR2 memory, even (especially) much FASTER memory e.g. 800Mhz and expect it should work? According to some things I've read, memory is backward-compatible (it can run slower) but then of course others say "what doe the Mfr recommend".

I need some additional memory Now, but I'd like to buy faster memory that I can use later when I upgrade this old P4 system.
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I wonder where is that Antec NSK2480 for $75? The best I could find is around $100.
Is it just me or this guide has unrealistic prices?

Prices fluctuate a lot even within a vendor. The NSK2480 is sometimes on sale or has rebates available, though it's been a while since I've seen any. Other components also have prices that vary a lot: for example, you can get the recommended 2x1GB RAM for $19AR right now from a certain egg-like vendor today. Tomorrow it may go up $10 or more. Froogle and ResellerRatings are good starting places to find low prices and at least have some idea about how reputable the seller is.
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Supports 8 memory banks using four 184-pin DDR DIMMs.

So can I buy any DDR2 memory ?

The bad news is DDR2 and DDR aren't interchangeable. The good news is memory speed is mostly irrelevant in a HTPC.
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The 3470 Sapphire silent video card listed on Newegg seems like a decent deal for $39.99 AR. Thoughts?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102728

Also the mutant Mini Ninja on sale with rebate for $19.99. I got it on sale since it will fit in desktop case. I hope it will cool a Q6600.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185046

Newegg is a bad habit for my wallet.

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The bad news is DDR2 and DDR aren't interchangeable.

No? Well, I guess that's why I asked (because I didn't know the answer)!
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Im building a gamer/htpc rig board is the asus striker 2 formula GPU lates GX2 that i won in a local contest. Do you see any problem with this board passing sound to the graphic card thru HDMI?
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The 3470 Sapphire silent video card listed on Newegg seems like a decent deal for $39.99 AR. Thoughts?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102728

Also the mutant Mini Ninja on sale with rebate for $19.99. I got it on sale since it will fit in desktop case. I hope it will cool a Q6600.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185046

Newegg is a bad habit for my wallet.

3470 is good for HTPC. Unless you overclock Q6600, Ninja Mini is good.

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Im building a gamer/htpc rig board is the asus striker 2 formula GPU lates GX2 that i won in a local contest. Do you see any problem with this board passing sound to the graphic card thru HDMI?

The motherboard is OK. But I have seen problems in getting HDMI audio with GeForce cards (no sounds) perhaps because of a driver problem.

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I posted several days ago but nobody took me up on it. I built a system with GA-MA69, 5000 BE, and a Sapphire 3450. I have a Vizio LCD that is 1366X768. I have two issues:

The desktop is not crisp at any HDMI setting I have tried but is fine using VGA.

The bigger issue is that the PC won't output to the LCD after resuming from S3 when connected with the DVI/HDMI cable. I have no issue resuming with VGA. This seems to be very common and I have not found many "fixed" posts on any forum. I have the latest ATI driver. The solution seems to be a DVI Detective ($129) or a remote that can boot the machine from S5 ($89).

I am willing to spend the time and money for one of the above solutions if I can be confident that I can get a significant increase in PQ. Will it make that much of a difference with a 1366x768 TV or should I stick with VGA until I buy a 1920 x 1080 model?

TIA

The $69 DVI Detective N will suffice. It even passes through HDMI audio. Works great with my 720p projector, huge difference from SD.

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Finally built my first HTPC.

Setup:

Sony KDS-55A3000 Rear Projection TV

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4850e
Ram: Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800
HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Drive: LG Blu-ray/HDDVD SuperMulti Drive
OS: Windows Vista 32 Home Premium
Case: IN WIN IW-BT610T.300BL Black Steel MicroATX Desktop Computer Case 300W Power Supply

I'm having the following issues:

1) I can only get the picture to display on my Sony with the VGA port. If I try a straight HDMI connection I get nothing. Anyone know why this is?
2) The desktop doesn't fill the entire TV screen - how do I get it to do so?

I hve set the bios to use the HDMI port and not the DVI. Thanks in advance.
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Finally built my first HTPC.

Setup:

Sony KDS-55A3000 Rear Projection TV

Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-MA78GM-S2H AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G HDMI Micro ATX
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4850e
Ram: Crucial Ballistix 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800
HDD: Western Digital Caviar SE 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
Drive: LG Blu-ray/HDDVD SuperMulti Drive
OS: Windows Vista 32 Home Premium
Case: IN WIN IW-BT610T.300BL Black Steel MicroATX Desktop Computer Case 300W Power Supply

I'm having the following issues:

1) I can only get the picture to display on my Sony with the VGA port. If I try a straight HDMI connection I get nothing. Anyone know why this is?
2) The desktop doesn't fill the entire TV screen - how do I get it to do so?

I hve set the bios to use the HDMI port and not the DVI. Thanks in advance.

1 - Check the BIOS setting for the primary display port setting. There are options.
2 - Using the Ati display applet, select wide-screen display. (You may also need to change the display setting in Vista to widescreen.)

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Power supply unit is getting flaky. Case, Ahanix, takes full size mobo but needs micro atx psu unless I want to mod the case. Any suggestions for a good, solid mATX psu? I would like as much power as I can get but could get by with 400 or even 350. Does an external psu make any sense?
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1 - Check the BIOS setting for the primary display port setting. There are options.
2 - Using the Ati display applet, select wide-screen display. (You may also need to change the display setting in Vista to widescreen.)

Thanks for the advice!

1) I have set the bios to use the HDMI out and not DVI. Still no signal. Further thoughts?
2) I believe I have already done this (in the ATI Applet atlest) I will try and reset it in Vista too. The picture I get when set to 1920x1080 is widescreen - it just has a black border around it. I would prefer if the desktop filled the entire screen.
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Power supply unit is getting flaky. Case, Ahanix, takes full size mobo but needs micro atx psu unless I want to mod the case. Any suggestions for a good, solid mATX psu? I would like as much power as I can get but could get by with 400 or even 350. Does an external psu make any sense?

Seasonic SS-300SFD 80 Plus is reviewed by Silent PC Review. The 350W version is not available in US.

Sparkle FSP350-60GNV 350W (Sparkle is a reputable company, but I can't guarantee the quietness.)

SilenX IXM-35-14 350W

SilenX IXM-40-14 400W

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