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You'd probably be able to get one dirt cheap on ebay. Alternatively, pretty much any current AMD PCIe card from with a HDMI port should work for your needs. I wouldn't go with the cheapest option, but something around $50 should be plenty adequate.
Make sure the computer's power supply is adequate for whatever GPU you add.
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Make sure the computer's power supply is adequate for whatever GPU you add.
That's a good point and a reason to stick with lower end cards.
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Make sure the computer's power supply is adequate for whatever GPU you add.
How do I find out whichever one I choose will work with the power supply?
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How do I find out whichever one I choose will work with the power supply?
The specs for the GPU will state the power requirements. The specs for the computer should state the amount of the power supply.

But, I do suggest you try to confirm the GPU will work in the computer before purchasing the GPU. I always have purchased current motherboards, CPUs and GPUs and memory at the same time. On the last update I did retain the power supply.

So, adding a GPU to an older computer is outside my experience.
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The specs for the GPU will state the power requirements. The specs for the computer should state the amount of the power supply.

But, I do suggest you try to confirm the GPU will work in the computer before purchasing the GPU. I always have purchased current motherboards, CPUs and GPUs and memory at the same time. On the last update I did retain the power supply.

So, adding a GPU to an older computer is outside my experience.
That is why I was originally asking for advice on parts to build an HTPC
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Always good to check specs but most lower end cards won't strain a tower power supply. Check back a few pages in this thread for some recent builds. Focus more on quiet fans (or no fans) in the GPU.

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renethx or others:

I also want to upgrade my Flexraid server as I am doing more with it these days such as SABNZB, Plex Media Server etc..
I have older H77 MB and Intel G860 CPU and it's a bit slow on occasions.

I was thinking just change CPU to Intel I5 3570K but thats a lot of extra watts that will sit unused for much of the day.

Any significantly lower wattage used but still powerful CPU options?
Why can't we buy the "T" versions of Intel CPUs?
Could I buy I5 3570K and do something like under voltage to drop power usage?

Does upgrading to H97 board give me better options?

Thanks!
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renethx or others:

I also want to upgrade my Flexraid server as I am doing more with it these days such as SABNZB, Plex Media Server etc..
I have older H77 MB and Intel G860 CPU and it's a bit slow on occasions.

I was thinking just change CPU to Intel I5 3570K but thats a lot of extra watts that will sit unused for much of the day.

Any significantly lower wattage used but still powerful CPU options?
Why can't we buy the "T" versions of Intel CPUs?
Could I buy I5 3570K and do something like under voltage to drop power usage?

Does upgrading to H97 board give me better options?

Thanks!
Actually i5-3570 is a good choice. ('K' version is pointless because your mb is H77.) The chart from this post may be helpful:



Core i5-3470 3.2GHz-3.6GHz is $20 cheaper and is another choice. You can downclock these processors to turn them into T/S processor easily.

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Hi Rene, hellò everybody,

Thank you AVSForum for hosting so many clever people and interesting information!
It's nice to see this thread go full speed again and I'm looking forward to the new guide myself...

Placed some questions to Rene lately and got his competent advices, so I'm able to narrow-down my choices for a new HTPC, which is going to be actually my first one, since my Dvico TViX has given-up the ghost!

But I think it's just better to go public for my last (Hope so...) questions both to let other readers share Rene's advices on my build and to gather any other people's advice...

Focussing in an Intel NUC or a Mid-Level Intel miniITX system for now, rigged to run OpenELEC/XBMC...

So, what I'm looking for is a way to watch my medium to high quality MKVs and, to a lesser extent, old AVIs that are mostly cartoons... also,maybe, some Live TV (Free to Air) and perhaps some Internet Browsing (But I can easily rule out this for now... I learnt that OpenELEC/XBMC is not really thought for Internet Browsing)... Games are not contemplated... Files are already on my QNAP NAS and I won't need storage on the HTPC, apart the SSD for OS storage...

For Movies' watching I'm sensible to PQ, but not overly picky about that so, maybe, this may save me the hassle to go the Windows way... at least for a while...

As I said, I'm narrowing-down my options to (Taken from Rene's advices):

Intel NUC, based on Intel Haswell (mobile) processor
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CPU: Core i3-4010U (Haswell) 2C/4T 1.7GHz 3MB Cache 15W FCBGA1168/DDR3L-1600/Intel HD Graphics 4400,
Cooler: Stock Stock cooler,
MB: Intel Next Unit of Computing Board D34010WYB UCFF, included,
Mem: G.SKILL F3-1600C9S-4GRSL SO-DIMM DDR3L-1600 CL9 4GB,
GPU: Intel HD Graphics 4400 20EUs (integrated in the CPU),
SSD: Crucial M500 120GB CT120M500SSD1 120GB SATA 6.0Gb/s SSD,
(BTW, what's the difference between this SSD drive and the Crucial MX100 128GB SSD drive?)
Barebone: Intel NUC Kit D34010WYKH with Core i3-4010U / Intel HD Graphics 4400 / 2.5" Drive Support,
WiFi: INTEL N7260 board
IR System: Included in the Barebone Kit

And this is pretty finalized as a set-up, as the NUC inherently does not allow further expansions...

But I may decide for more future flexibility (Changing a faulty/obsolete MoBo or CPU, adding a Discrete GPU later if needed, having the ability to add an Optical (BR) Disk Reader to replace an aging Samsung BR Stand Alone Player... you name the possibilities)...

So, I may go for this (Again, mostly taken from Rene's advices, my questions, doubts etc. put in blue and in brackets):

Mid-Range - Intel, based on Intel Haswell (Desktop) processor and AMD Radeon R7 graphics card
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CPU: Core i3-4130 (Haswell) 2C/4T 3.4GHz 3MB Cache 54W LGA 1150/DDR3-1600/Intel HD Graphics 4400
(Going higher than this is an overkill at this moment...)
Cooler: Stock cooler,

MB: GIGABYTE GA-H97N-WIFI or ASUS H97I-PLUS
(Which one is better suited for the task? Reasons to prefer one over the other, GPU-Wise or something else?)

Mem: G.SKILL F3-1600C9D-8GAB Ares DDR3-1600 CL9 2 x 4GB Kit,

GPU: ASUS R7260X-DC2OC-2GD5 R7 260X 2GB GDDR5,
(This is to be added at later time and if needed, I'll be using the integrated GPU to begin with...)

SSD: Crucial M500 120GB CT120M500SSD1 120GB SATA 6.0Gb/s SSD,
(Again, which one is better, this SSD drive or the Crucial MX100 128GB SSD drive?)

PSU: SilverStone ST30SF SST-ST30SF 300W 80 PLUS Bronze SFX,
(Or will change accordingly to the Case I'll chose to go with...)

Case: SilverStone Sugo SG06-LITE SST-SG06BB-LITE Mini-ITX/Mini-DTX,
(This case has both the ability to host the Discrete GPU and the BR Reader, if I decide to add these two options... what I don't like is its shape and dimensions... What's the users experience and suggestions here with not too big, HT-like, horizontally developped cases that maintain the ability to eventually host the Discrete GPU and the BR Reader???)

IR System: NONE INCLUDED
(What's best option under the initial openELEC/XBMC build? I believe that switching to Windows system later would pose few troubles... BTW, any chance to have it INTERNALLY integrated with the suggested Case/Cases? I have an Harmony Ultimate Hub-Based Remote doing most of the HT command tsks here, and it would be nice to have it working with the new HTPC too. So I won't actually need a remote... just the receiver...)

Uhmmmm... Enough questions already... I'll switch to "Listening Mode" now... ;-)

Thank you in advance, Rene and everybody willing to share some advices with me...

Best regards and happy viewing/listening!
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Another system, that's more like a AV device:

CPU: Core i3-4130
CPU Cooler: Stock
MB: H97M-G43
Mem: F3-1600C9D-8GAB
GPU: R7 260X ASUS
SSD: Crucial M550 128GB
PSU: SSR-450RM
Case: Fractal Design Node 605

or

CPU: Core i3-4130
CPU Cooler: Stock
MB: Z97 Pro4
Mem: F3-1600C9D-8GAB
GPU: R7 260X ASUS
SSD: Crucial M550 128GB
PSU: SSR-450RM
Case: GD08 (deeper, supports up to 9 x 3.5" HDD, 2 x 2.5" HDD, 1 x ODD)

As for SSD, get any of the lowest price, there won't be any difference in normal HTPC usage.

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Hi Renethx and all,

Thank you so much for such outstanding advices I got...
After more thoughts and reading, I think I narrowed down my choices to the following components:

CPU: Core i3-4130

CPU Cooler: Stock
(Initially at least... I'll eventually go to a third party cooler if the stock one is too noisy or whatever...)

MB: MSI H97M-G43
(Actually seems a good MB... Several high-end options (M.2, more PCIe Slots, albeit two of them 1x... Only doubt is that I just read somewhere that it has just 4 SATA ports, but this info seems to be wrong to me as I see it's 6 (And more than that using the M.2 to Sata option) on MSI site... Hope I'm not wrong... 4 would sufice anyway, but having a few more may be useful in the future...)

Mem: F3-1600C9D-8GAB

GPU: Embedded Intel HD 4400 (May go for an R7 260X ASUS in the future or whatever is out in a few months from now...)

SSD: Crucial 128GB MX100

PSU: SSR-450RM

Case: Silverstone Grandia GD04 Case (Fits best my HT System...)

IR System: Still have to gather info on this, but I'll do that soon...

I realize this took a different twist from what I initially planned (Intel i3 NUC or miniITX system...) but that's the way it usually goes when I start investigating something new, and while I' still considering the i3 Intel NUC an option if I decide to keep it simple, it will be either the NUC or, in the sake of future mods/improvements/longevity, the microATX system that Rene helped to define...

I know, initial overkill, but may grant a bit more logevity keeping some components from one build to another, if necessary...

Thanks a lot again, guys... great Forum!
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MSI H97M-G43 has six SATA ports and all of them work unless you use an M.2 card that will disable two of them.

Just a note, you can't use a graphics card with taller heatpipes such as ASUS R7 260X DirectCU II with GD04.

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Oh! I knew there was still something to consider carefully...
BTW, what's your suggestion for a comparable GPU that fits the GD04?

Would one of the other R7 260X incarnations out there with no protruding pipes be ok? 1GB or 2GB versions?

This is case I need to add one....

And thanks for the confirmation that, when no M.2 option is used, the MSI H93M-G43 has 6 SATA Ports...

Ciao!
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Oh! I knew there was still something to consider carefully...
BTW, what's your suggestion for a comparable GPU that fits the GD04?

Would one of the other R7 260X incarnations out there with no protruding pipes be ok? 1GB or 2GB versions?

This is case I need to add one....
XFX should be good inside GD04.

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Rene, I saw you many times recommened people to buy R7 260X card for their HTPCs. What is the most benefit of it? How to compare to things like HD-7770 or GeForce GT 730/740? (price/performance)
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Rene, I saw you many times recommened people to buy R7 260X card for their HTPCs. What is the most benefit of it? How to compare to things like HD-7770 or GeForce GT 730/740? (price/performance)
Thanks.
R7 260X is a rework of HD 7790. The basic performance is the same, with a couple of improvements (e.g. support for up to three HDMI displays).

GT 740 GDDR5 = GT 650, roughly equivalent to HD 7750, half the performance of R7 260X.

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R7 260X is a rework of HD 7790. The basic performance is the same, with a couple of improvements (e.g. support for up to three HDMI displays).
When 4K contents far away to come, do you think R7 260X and/or HD 7790 are overkill ones for current HTPCs? (save money to buy, save money to pay power bills)
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When 4K contents far away to come, do you think R7 260X and/or HD 7790 are overkill ones for current HTPCs? (save money to buy, save money to pay power bills)
The answer depends on the contents you play. For FHD contents, it's overkill. For SD and HD contents, it's not overkill but just a good choice.

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rene,
Could madVR performance/capability be most simply broken down to # of graphics cores, at least on the AMD side, given all the model name/number sharing between HDxxxx and Rx yy0?
i.e. 256 cores enough for up to (x) level madVR at (x resolutions)
How integral is the VRAM interface? (ddr3 vs ddr5 for dgpus, system ddr speed for APUs)

Aside,
Opinions on the Kaveri A6 7400K? (dual steamroller core, 256 shader cores)?
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Rene,

I am helping someone who is new to the world of HTPCs put together their first system. Here is what I plan on recommending. Please let me know if I should make any changes.

processor $47: Intel Celeron G1840 Haswell Dual-Core 2.8GHz

motherboard $135: ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac (this is the most affordable option I could find with integrated wifi and an M.2 slot, which should offer a lot of boot time and speed advantages)

memory $45: G.SKILL 2 x 2GB

Internal Blu-ray drive $40: LG UH12S30

Case including PSU (power supply unit) $55: APEX MI-008

M.2 drive for the OS $45: MyDigitalSSD 64GB

3.5" Hard drive $110: Western Digital WD Green 3TB

Remote Control (really just need it for the IR receiver, he will be using a Harmony) $9: USB PC WMC Remote

TOTAL: $486

This will be used exclusively for streaming video and for local blu-ray rips (1080p). He will be using Windows 8.1 and XBMC.
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