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post #181 of 1291 Old 01-13-2008, 01:09 PM
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re: 800x600 reset issue.

Can we remove the modes we don't want/need? Like editing xorg.conf for linux systems?

My "monitor supported modes" reported by the Intel driver include:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (67 Hz)
640 by 480 (72 Hz)
640 by 480 (75 Hz)
720 by 400 (70 Hz)
720 by 400 (88 Hz)
720 by 576 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (56 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (72 Hz)
800 by 600 (75 Hz)
832 by 624 (75 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (70 Hz)
1024 by 768 (75 Hz)
1024 by 768 (87 Hz)
1152 by 864 (60 Hz)
1152 by 864 (70 Hz)
1152 by 864 (85 Hz)
1152 by 870 (75 Hz)
1280 by 720 (50 Hz)
1280 by 720 (60 Hz)
1280 by 1024 (60 Hz)
1280 by 1024 (75 Hz)
1280 by 1024 (85 Hz)
1400 by 1050 (60 Hz)
1600 by 1200 (60 Hz)

I plan on using only 2 of these.

Just thinking that by removing all the modes I never use, Windows would be unable to default to 800x600.
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Hmmm... you could use mode pruning, but it would be a BIOS hack; I can't recall another way of turning off certain modes.

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Hello

Just want to say thank you for this great tool! Now I have my 1366x768 tv pixelmaped.

Found a generic modeline for 60 hz with works:
85,5 1366 1494 1624 1798 768 770 776 795 +hsync -vsync

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archibael,

My 1280x720, 48hz mode worked using the modeline generated by powerstrip from my previous hardware setup. How can I convert this to 1280x720, 24Hz? I tried just lowering the pixel clock until DTDcalc showed an approx refresh rate of 24 hz, but I had some strange artifacting (portions of stuff on the left side wrapped around to the right side of the screen).

Dig this though: when I pick the 1080p24 standard timing from the DTDcalc dropdown box, add it and reboot, I can select it and my native 720p projector syncs! The proj has a popup/overlay notification box that states whatever mode/resolution it's receiving, and it clearly states 1080p24. So that's cool, except my desktop is scaled to "squinty".

Obviously, I can't just guess at the 720p24 timing. And it doesn't seem like I can convert my 720p48 timing into 720p24. Is there any way I can figure this out without installing a video card and powerstrip?

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1. I first tried the Intel Utility on a regular Monitor and got the report shown below. As you can see, there was no RAW EDID Data.

2. I then tried the MonInfo utility instead and worked fine on the same monitor; I got the RAW EDID Data.

3. However, when I tried the MonInfo utility on my Projector, Panasonic AX200U, I got no info at all using MonInfo (or Intel Utility) for the Projector; no EDID Data and not even a listing of the Projector Resolutions!!??

Maybe I can not use MonInfo on this Projector?

Any suggestions? I would like to set my Laptop Intel Graphics card to Output 1280x720 for the Projector.

p.s. I have the 915G/GM chipset and 14.25.50 drivers so it should work according to the DTD Wicki...



Intel Report on regular Monitor

Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver for Mobile Report


Report Date: 01/17/2008
Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 02:21:32
Driver Version: 6.14.10.4764
Operating System: Windows XP* Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600)
Default Language: English
DirectX* Version: 9.0
Physical Memory: 1014 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 128 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 9 MB
Processor: x86 family 6 Model 13 Stepping 8
Processor Speed: 1729 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2592
Device Revision: 03


* Accelerator Information *

Accelerator in Use: Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family
Video BIOS: 1220
Current Graphics Mode: 1024 by 768 True Color (85 Hz)



* Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator *


Active Monitors: 1
Non Active Notebook Displays: 1


* Monitor *

Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Display Type: Analog
Gamma Value: 1.94
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: 14.0 inches
Vertical: 10.0 inches
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (67 Hz)
640 by 480 (72 Hz)
640 by 480 (75 Hz)
720 by 400 (70 Hz)
720 by 400 (88 Hz)
800 by 600 (56 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (72 Hz)
800 by 600 (75 Hz)
800 by 600 (85 Hz)
832 by 624 (75 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (70 Hz)
1024 by 768 (75 Hz)
1024 by 768 (85 Hz)
1024 by 768 (87 Hz)
1152 by 870 (75 Hz)
1280 by 1024 (75 Hz)
1280 by 1024 (85 Hz)
1600 by 1200 (75 Hz)
1600 by 1200 (85 Hz)
1920 by 1440 (60 Hz)
2048 by 1536 (65 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Supported


* Notebook *

Monitor Name: Plug and Play Monitor
Display Type: Digital
Gamma Value: 3.54
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: Not Available
Vertical: Not Available
Monitor Supported Modes:
1280 by 800 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Supported


* SDVO Encoder Report *

** Encoder 1 **
Vendor ID: Chrontel
Device ID: 60
Device Revision: 6
Major Version: 1
Minor Version: 1

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Did you cut & paste the info straight from the report windows or save the report to a .txt file before posing it?

How are you connecting to the PJ? VGA or DVI? Is it a direct connection of via a repeater or switching device?

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Did you cut & paste the info straight from the report windows or save the report to a .txt file before posing it?

Saved as .txt file and then copy/pasted from the text file.

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How are you connecting to the PJ? VGA or DVI? Is it a direct connection of via a repeater or switching device?

Connected directly through VGA cable from Laptop to Projector.
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Odd. Can't really offer any suggestion as to why you can't get the EDID's (especially for the monitor as the report lists supported modes and moninfo can report it).

As for the PJ giving no information at all well.....I have no idea. Never known that before.

Maybe Archibael will have an idea when he's less tied up. He normally blames Laptop weirdness on the video BIOS but who knows.

Presumably you can get some sort of image from the PJ so while this is puzzling it doesn't necessarily mean you can't use DTD Calc to achieve your objectives. Try doing a Google search for a suitable modeline for your PJ and, failing that, try using the standards based 720p available within DTD Calc and see what happens.

If you install DTD Calc and it claims it can't find the Intel driver (check the "Reg Hack" tab for this). Then we might have a clue as to what is going on.

Let me know how you get on.

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Wo0zy,
The "Reg Hack" tab shows the registry location.

The Panasonic Manual Specified as follows:
Resolution =1280x720
H Scanning Frequency =45.1 KHz
V Scanning Frequency =60.1 Hz
Dot Clock Frequency = 76.5 MHz

The DTD Calculator has a preset of
1280x720 @ 60Hz
I loaded it into memory and it showed a slightly different Dot Clock Frequency = 74.25 MHz, an identical V Scanning Frequency V=60.073 Hz but no info about H Scanning Frequency.

I wrote it to the registry and rebooted. However, after reboot, 1280x720 doesn't show up as an available resolution .

I opened the DTD calculator again and read the new EDID string from the registry. It is there....

Any suggestions?
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Odd. Can't really offer any suggestion as to why you can't get the EDID's (especially for the monitor as the report lists supported modes and moninfo can report it).

Ancient driver. Well, that's an exaggeration, but it is like the 1st driver which supported custom resolutions with DTD. One of the first, anyway.

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As for the PJ giving no information at all well.....I have no idea. Never known that before.

Maybe Archibael will have an idea when he's less tied up. He normally blames Laptop weirdness on the video BIOS but who knows.

I think the Raw EDID didn't get printed to the Diag Report until comparatively recently. I am surprised he got nothing out of MonInfo, though.

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Presumably you can get some sort of image from the PJ so while this is puzzling it doesn't necessarily mean you can't use DTD Calc to achieve your objectives. Try doing a Google search for a suitable modeline for your PJ and, failing that, try using the standards based 720p available within DTD Calc and see what happens.

This would have been my suggestion. My attempts utterly failed at finding one, though. rbrande, do you have any other machine (different graphics card) which could provide an EDID with MonInfo?

As I said in the adjacent thread, sorry I've been AWOL. Work is hell right now and I am only now getting caught up. I'll be around this weekend.

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Wo0zy & aaarchibael,

Thank you for trying to help!

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Wo0zy: Presumably you can get some sort of image from the PJ so while this is puzzling it doesn't necessarily mean you can't use DTD Calc to achieve your objectives. Try doing a Google search for a suitable modeline for your PJ and, failing that, try using the standards based 720p available within DTD Calc and see what happens.

archibael: This would have been my suggestion. My attempts utterly failed at finding one, though. rbrande, do you have any other machine (different graphics card) which could provide an EDID with MonInfo?

1. I tried to use Moninfo on another (even older Laptop), and got no info from the attached Projector (see attached screen-shot)


2. In any case, as explained in my previous post above, I used one of the standard EDIDs in the program. The main problem, however, is that after I added it to the registry, I can still not bring up the 1280x720 resolution.

Any suggestions?
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Hi rbrande,

Based on Archi's assesment I think I'd be inclined to update your Intel drivers before trying anything else. Who knows, you might get the EDID in the report.

If you can actually "recall" the DTD from the registry from within DTD Calc after it's written then I'm back to suggesting a driver update (sorry. stuck record .

You could try to manually add the DTD to the registry by searching for every instance of DTD. Changing/adding the DTD from DTD Calc to each DTD_1 instance (not forgeting the 37 01 on the end of each) and also ensuring that all "TotalDTDCount" keys are set to 1. Only reason I say this is because the registry conventions may have changed along with other aspects of the drivers and DTD Calc has only been available (and tested) with the "English Language" releases of the last couple of Vista and XP driver versions.

Worth a shot.

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As I said in the adjacent thread, sorry I've been AWOL. Work is hell right now and I am only now getting caught up. I'll be around this weekend.

A poor excuse my friend!!

Na, seriously. Glad you're getting sorted mate

Welcome back!

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Hi rbrande,

Based on Archi's assesment I think I'd be inclined to update your Intel drivers before trying anything else. Who knows, you might get the EDID in the report.

If you can actually "recall" the DTD from the registry from within DTD Calc after it's written then I'm back to suggesting a driver update (sorry. stuck record .

As far as I understand, the driver that I use, v. 14.25.50, is the latest one available for my chipset (Mobile Intel(R) 915GM/GMS,910GML Express Chipset Family). According to the DTD Wicki, this driver is supposed to work, but obviously it doesn't ...
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Seems to for others. Give the manual method a try.

Also try running the Intel report with only the Laptop screen active and see if that gives any more information.

Can't really suggest anything else. Sorry.

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Will this utility give the ability to run a resolution not divideable by 8, like 852x480 or 1366x768?
On the Radeon X1250 this resolution is supported, but I'm considering switching to a Penryn based setup.

Many thanks to Archie, and all the other very helpfull posters for the wealth of information and support.
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Will this utility give the ability to run a resolution not divideable by 8, like 852x480 or 1366x768?
On the Radeon X1250 this resolution is supported, but I'm considering switching to a Penryn based setup.

Many thanks to Archie, and all the other very helpfull posters for the wealth of information and support.

Yes, resolutions which are not modulo-8 are supported (although I'd stick to even numbers at least).

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Yes, resolutions which are not modulo-8 are supported (although I'd stick to even numbers at least).

Great,
thanks for letting me know. Then I'll jump for either a G35, or G45 setup, if I can stand the wait
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I have an ASUS P5E-VM connected to a ASUOS 32" via a HDMI DVI adaptor. Up until reading this thread, I could get no better than 1280x760 from the intel drivers.

Anyway I bit the bullet, loaded the custom tool, got the current timings from the jgeneedid page, did a reverse DTD calc, saved to the registry and rebooted. I now have a perfect display, using every pixel of the screen, no over or under scan - just beautiful

Quick tip, need to set AQUOS to 1366x766 digital via the OSM first.

Thanks for a great tool and a great thread. I could never get the AQUOS to run true 1366x768 under my previous nvida board. BTW, the AUS P5E-VM is a fantastic board - perfect for a HTPC
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Hi shaunarundell,

Great to hear of a 1366x768 success story!

Despite some driver issues, I have to agree with you regarding the capabilities of the P5E-VM. Really looking forward to G45 and the 15.9 driver Archibael mentioned in another thread.

Thanks for the feedback mate.

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This weekend I am building a system based on an Asus P5E-V motherboard. I had the P5E-V shipped from the UK because I wanted the extra PCI slots.

Friday night, I was able to get 1080p to my HP MD5880n DLP and 7.1 LPCM to my Onkyo 905, so I was pretty happy.

Like all rear projection TV's, the HP has optical overscan. With nVidia and ATI cards, I am able to create a custom 1872x1040 resolution that eliminates the optical overscan while maintaining 1:1 pixel mapping.

I am using the Intel 15.73 drivers and Vista Home Premium 32-bit. Using EnTech's Moninfo and the Intel driver's information button, I can identify the HP's timing as:

"1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

Using DTD Calculator, I entered this timing info, and then created a custom resolution of 1872x1040 by removing 20 lines from the top and bottom, and 24 pixels from the left and right edges, and then I wrote the new resolution to the registry.

The problem is that after I reboot, and I switch to the new resolution, the display falls back to 800x600. Worse, I can't even switch back to 1920x1080. Any resolution I try just falls back to 800x600, even after a reboot. Uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers does not help.

Since I am early in the install process, I just reinstalled Vista to get back to 1920x1080. However, I would like to get 1872x1040 working.

Any help would be appreciated, even if it is just telling me how to get back to 1920x1080 without reinstalling Vista.

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Hi Dave,

I don't think this is a DTD Calc thing (I fact I know it isn't). From what I've heard (and read) there seems to be some "Quirk" with the Intel drivers that causes this.

Anyway, if you want to disable all custom resolutions, search the registry for "TotalDTDCount" and change all entries from 1 to 0 and reboot. ANything you've done with DTD Calc will now be disabled.

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Thanks Wo0zy,

I think you are right. The same thing happens if I try the Intel resolution of 1776x1000 without even installing DTD Calculator.

Since you mentioned that this is a quirk of the Intel drivers, I was wondering whether you have a recommendation for which drivers to use. As I mentioned, I am using 15.73, which is the latest at Intel's site, but perhaps an earlier version works better.

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hey woozy think you can give me some pointers on how to setup my htpc before my lg drive gets here?

my tv is a sony xbr2 32in (kdl-v32xbr2 1080i 1366x768) currently the htpc is connected to vga because it looks better. the hdmi input however, looks completely washed out! here is the two information that i was able to get:

VGA INPUT

Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver Report


Report Date: 01/27/2008
Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 14:01:35
Driver Version: 7.14.10.1409
Operating System: Windows Vista (TM) Ultimate* , (6.0.6000)
Default Language: English
DirectX* Version: 10.0
Physical Memory: 8182 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 358 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 163 MB
Processor: EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11 GenuineIntel
Processor Speed: 2405 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2982
Device Revision: 03


* Accelerator Information *

Accelerator in Use: Intel(R) G35 Express Chipset Family
Video BIOS: 1508
Current Graphics Mode: 1360 by 768 True Color (60 Hz)



* Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator *


Active Monitors: 1


* Monitor *

Monitor Name:
Display Type: Analog
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: Not Available
Vertical: Not Available
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
720 by 400 (70 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1280 by 768 (60 Hz)
1360 by 768 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Not Supported
Raw EDID:
00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 4d d9 00 eb 01 01 01 01
27 10 01 03 08 00 00 78 0a 3f f7 a5 55 43 95 23
10 48 48 a1 08 00 31 40 45 40 61 40 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 66 21 50 b0 51 00 1b 30 40 70
36 00 00 00 00 00 00 1e 0e 1f 00 80 51 00 1e 30
40 80 37 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00 00 00 fd 00 39
3f 1e 31 09 00 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 fc
00 4b 44 4c 2d 56 33 32 58 42 52 32 0a 20 00 f3


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** Encoder 1 **
Vendor ID: Silicon Image
Device ID: 174
Device Revision: 0
Major Version: 1
Minor Version: 2

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HDMI INPUT

Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver Report


Report Date: 01/27/2008
Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 16:32:26
Driver Version: 7.14.10.1409
Operating System: Windows Vista (TM) Ultimate* , (6.0.6000)
Default Language: English
DirectX* Version: 10.0
Physical Memory: 8182 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 358 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 131 MB
Processor: EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11 GenuineIntel
Processor Speed: 2405 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2982
Device Revision: 03


* Accelerator Information *

Accelerator in Use: Intel(R) G35 Express Chipset Family
Video BIOS: 1508
Current Graphics Mode: 1776 by 1000 High Color (30 Hz)



* Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator *


Active Digital Televisions: 1
Non Active Monitors: 1


* Monitor *

Monitor Name:
Display Type: Analog
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: Not Available
Vertical: Not Available
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
720 by 400 (70 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1280 by 768 (60 Hz)
1360 by 768 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Not Supported


* Digital Television *

Monitor Name:
Display Type: Digital
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: 27.0 inches
Vertical: 15.0 inches
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
720 by 480 (60 Hz)
1920 by 540 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Not Supported
Raw EDID:
00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 4d d9 00 95 01 01 01 01
27 10 01 03 80 46 28 78 0a 0d c9 a0 57 47 98 27
12 48 4c 20 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 01 1d 80 18 71 1c 16 20 58 2c
25 00 df a4 21 00 00 9e 8c 0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10
10 3e 96 00 30 a4 21 00 00 18 00 00 00 fc 00 53
4f 4e 59 20 54 56 0a 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 fd
00 3a 3e 0f 2e 08 00 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 33
02 03 1b 76 47 85 02 03 04 06 07 01 23 09 07 07
83 01 00 00 66 03 0c 00 10 00 80 01 1d 00 72 51
d0 1e 20 6e 28 55 00 df a4 21 00 00 1e 8c 0a a0
14 51 f0 16 00 26 7c 43 00 30 a4 21 00 00 98 8c
0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10 10 3e 96 00 df a4 21 00 00
18 8c 0a a0 14 51 f0 16 00 26 7c 43 00 df a4 21
00 00 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 86


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** Encoder 1 **
Vendor ID: Silicon Image
Device ID: 174
Device Revision: 0
Major Version: 1
Minor Version: 2

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Thanks Wo0zy,

I think you are right. The same thing happens if I try the Intel resolution of 1776x1000 without even installing DTD Calculator.

Since you mentioned that this is a quirk of the Intel drivers, I was wondering whether you have a recommendation for which drivers to use. As I mentioned, I am using 15.73, which is the latest at Intel's site, but perhaps an earlier version works better.

-Dave

Hi dave,

I've never seen the problem so it's hard to say however I didn't see any reports of this with 15.6.1 (make sure it's the.1 though if you want HD playback) or 15.7.0. Might be worth a shot.

Failing that Archibael may have see insight into when we may see a fix.

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hey woozy think you can give me some pointers on how to setup my htpc before my lg drive gets here?

my tv is a sony xbr2 32in (kdl-v32xbr2 1080i 1366x768) currently the htpc is connected to vga because it looks better. the hdmi input however, looks completely washed out! here is the two information that i was able to get:

VGA INPUT

Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver Report


Report Date: 01/27/2008
Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 14:01:35
Driver Version: 7.14.10.1409
Operating System: Windows Vista (TM) Ultimate* , (6.0.6000)
Default Language: English
DirectX* Version: 10.0
Physical Memory: 8182 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 358 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 163 MB
Processor: EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11 GenuineIntel
Processor Speed: 2405 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2982
Device Revision: 03


* Accelerator Information *

Accelerator in Use: Intel(R) G35 Express Chipset Family
Video BIOS: 1508
Current Graphics Mode: 1360 by 768 True Color (60 Hz)



* Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator *


Active Monitors: 1


* Monitor *

Monitor Name:
Display Type: Analog
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: Not Available
Vertical: Not Available
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
720 by 400 (70 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1280 by 768 (60 Hz)
1360 by 768 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Not Supported
Raw EDID:
00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 4d d9 00 eb 01 01 01 01
27 10 01 03 08 00 00 78 0a 3f f7 a5 55 43 95 23
10 48 48 a1 08 00 31 40 45 40 61 40 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 66 21 50 b0 51 00 1b 30 40 70
36 00 00 00 00 00 00 1e 0e 1f 00 80 51 00 1e 30
40 80 37 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00 00 00 fd 00 39
3f 1e 31 09 00 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 fc
00 4b 44 4c 2d 56 33 32 58 42 52 32 0a 20 00 f3


* SDVO Encoder Report *

** Encoder 1 **
Vendor ID: Silicon Image
Device ID: 174
Device Revision: 0
Major Version: 1
Minor Version: 2

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HDMI INPUT

Intel(R) Graphics Media Accelerator Driver Report


Report Date: 01/27/2008
Report Time[hr:mm:ss]: 16:32:26
Driver Version: 7.14.10.1409
Operating System: Windows Vista (TM) Ultimate* , (6.0.6000)
Default Language: English
DirectX* Version: 10.0
Physical Memory: 8182 MB
Minimum Graphics Memory: 8 MB
Maximum Graphics Memory: 358 MB
Graphics Memory in Use: 131 MB
Processor: EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 11 GenuineIntel
Processor Speed: 2405 MHZ
Vendor ID: 8086
Device ID: 2982
Device Revision: 03


* Accelerator Information *

Accelerator in Use: Intel(R) G35 Express Chipset Family
Video BIOS: 1508
Current Graphics Mode: 1776 by 1000 High Color (30 Hz)



* Devices Connected to the Graphics Accelerator *


Active Digital Televisions: 1
Non Active Monitors: 1


* Monitor *

Monitor Name:
Display Type: Analog
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: Not Available
Vertical: Not Available
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
720 by 400 (70 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
800 by 600 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1024 by 768 (60 Hz)
1280 by 768 (60 Hz)
1360 by 768 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Not Supported


* Digital Television *

Monitor Name:
Display Type: Digital
Gamma Value: 2.20
DDC2 Protocol: Supported
Maximum Image Size: Horizontal: 27.0 inches
Vertical: 15.0 inches
Monitor Supported Modes:
640 by 480 (60 Hz)
720 by 480 (60 Hz)
1920 by 540 (60 Hz)
Display Power Management Support:
Standby Mode: Not Supported
Suspend Mode: Not Supported
Active Off Mode: Not Supported
Raw EDID:
00 ff ff ff ff ff ff 00 4d d9 00 95 01 01 01 01
27 10 01 03 80 46 28 78 0a 0d c9 a0 57 47 98 27
12 48 4c 20 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
01 01 01 01 01 01 01 1d 80 18 71 1c 16 20 58 2c
25 00 df a4 21 00 00 9e 8c 0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10
10 3e 96 00 30 a4 21 00 00 18 00 00 00 fc 00 53
4f 4e 59 20 54 56 0a 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 fd
00 3a 3e 0f 2e 08 00 0a 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 33
02 03 1b 76 47 85 02 03 04 06 07 01 23 09 07 07
83 01 00 00 66 03 0c 00 10 00 80 01 1d 00 72 51
d0 1e 20 6e 28 55 00 df a4 21 00 00 1e 8c 0a a0
14 51 f0 16 00 26 7c 43 00 30 a4 21 00 00 98 8c
0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10 10 3e 96 00 df a4 21 00 00
18 8c 0a a0 14 51 f0 16 00 26 7c 43 00 df a4 21
00 00 98 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 86


* SDVO Encoder Report *

** Encoder 1 **
Vendor ID: Silicon Image
Device ID: 174
Device Revision: 0
Major Version: 1
Minor Version: 2

* Other names and brands are the property of their respective owners.

Hi AP2,

I'm surprised that the HDMI input seems less vibrant. Guess you may have to try a few adjustments on the screen itself to compensate for that.

As far as your EDID's goes, I can see the following timings for the HDMI connected data

Block 1
01 1d 80 18 71 1c 16 20 58 2c 25 00 df a4 21 00 00 9e 1080i@60
8c 0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10 10 3e 96 00 30 a4 21 00 00 18 480p@60

Block 2
01 1d 00 72 51 d0 1e 20 6e 28 55 00 df a4 21 00 00 1e 1280x720p@60
8c 0a a0 14 51 f0 16 00 26 7c 43 00 30 a4 21 00 00 98 1440x480i@60
8c 0a d0 8a 20 e0 2d 10 10 3e 96 00 df a4 21 00 00 18 720x480p@60
8c 0a a0 14 51 f0 16 00 26 7c 43 00 df a4 21 00 00 98 1440x480i@60

Short Video Descriptors
1920x1080i@60 (considered native)
720x480p@60 (4:3)
720x480p@60 (16:9)
1280x720@60
720x480i@60 (4:3)
720x480i@60 (16:9)
640x480@60

What this is basically saying is that you should get the best results going for 1080i however, I think I would also try the 720p timing to compare. Whichever looks best is the one you should use as the basis for "adjustment".

Do both of these resolutions show up under the graphics tray at present? If so select the one you're going to try first then launch DTD calc and enter the corresponding DTD into the "reverse calculator". Once you've done that you'll be able to use the "ruler" tool to compensate for overscan and then save the new timing to the registry.

Also (and this is a long shot) as the native resolution of your screen seems to be 1360x768 (as offered when connecting via VGA) you could try and force this onto the HDMI connection and see what happens. The two DTD's I got from the "VGA" EDID are

66 21 50 b0 51 00 1b 30 40 70 36 00 00 00 00 00 00 1e 1360x768@60
0e 1f 00 80 51 00 1e 30 40 80 37 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 1280x768p@60

Try entering the 1360x768 DTD into the reverse calculator then save it to the registry, reboot and test. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I was under the impression that 1360x768 didn't work using HDMI but shaunarundell's experience seems to suggest it might.

Let me know how you get on. If Archibael's watching he may have another suggestion in which case go with whatever he says (he's the expert!!).

Good luck

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hey woozy,

ill give that a shot tonight when i get home from work.

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Do both of these resolutions show up under the graphics tray at present? If so select the one you're going to try first then launch DTD calc and enter the corresponding DTD into the "reverse calculator". Once you've done that you'll be able to use the "ruler" tool to compensate for overscan and then save the new timing to the registry

i dont get any of those exact resolutions. what should i do now? or how should i start the DTD calc without those present resolutions?

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hey woozy,

ill give that a shot tonight when i get home from work.

in your question:


i dont get any of those exact resolutions. what should i do now? or how should i start the DTD calc without those present resolutions?

thanks

If the Intel graphics tray doesn't list 1280x720 or 1920x1080 at all then start by adding them with DTD calc using the DTD's I posted for each. When you reboot they should be selectable. Select one, launch DTD Calc again load the corresponding DTD from the registry (so your selected resolution and the resolution loaded into DTD Calc are the same) then using the tuning tab to adjust as needed.

It's odd that neither are available as the EDID includes them

Let me know how you get on.

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"Hi Slangaren,

Your EDID suggests that 1080i@60 should be considered your native resolution.

02 3A 80 18 71 38 2C 40 58 2C 4A 00 34 CC 31 00 00 1E is the DTD for this

Enter this into DTD Calc and "tweak" it slightly so you will recognise it when you reboot, then select it and use the tuning tab "ruler" tool to adjust from there.

You could try "unticking" the interlaced button on the "calculation" tab. This will change the DTD from interlaced to progressive however the result will be @30Hz (so not much difference). Alternatively try using the standard timing for 1080p @50 from the drop-down menu (again on the "calculation" tab). Save that to the registry and see what happens when you select it.

You could also try

4C 30 80 18 71 38 2C 40 58 2C 4A 00 34 CC 31 00 00 1E

Although I'd like Archibael to check that before you do!

The difference between the "H Start of Sync Pulse" value and the "H Active Pixels" value is the same as "Front Porch" in Powerstrip and the difference between "H End of Sync Pulse" and "H End of Blanking Interval" is the back porch (same for Vertical timing). However, setting either of these values to 0 is very unlikely to achieve the result you're looking for in this case.

If you you want to take this further I'd suggest posting in the DTD Calc thread so we don't upset anyone .

Cheers,

Wo0zy"

Hi Wo0zy,

Thanks for your reply in the G35 thread. I am now moving into hear as it seams more like a ACER / DTD issue.

If I look into my EDID (aftre reading up on how to get them from top of this thread I guess it should be:
01 1d 80 18 71 1c 16 20 58 2c 25 00 34 cc 31 00 00 9e

If I look above you have a different one..

When I use yours the LCD doesn't show the screen at all.
I also tried yours at 30 something Hz, without the LCD to boot with this setting.

Is there any way to get the standard setting as the "first" to be used so that the tuned setting ce be selected, so that if it doesn't show, it reverts back?

I attach two screenshots of the ACER and yours at 30 Hz.

As I said before, the Acer showed 1080P/48 Hz with ATI and powerstrip.
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Thanks Wo0zy,

I think you are right. The same thing happens if I try the Intel resolution of 1776x1000 without even installing DTD Calculator.

Since you mentioned that this is a quirk of the Intel drivers, I was wondering whether you have a recommendation for which drivers to use. As I mentioned, I am using 15.73, which is the latest at Intel's site, but perhaps an earlier version works better.

-Dave

A lot of people are seeing this, and only some are seeing it cured with 15.7.3 (of which you are obviously not one). 15.6.x did not have this problem, if you want to bounce back to that one.

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