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Old 02-22-2008, 11:55 AM
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I notice 8.45rc2 is still on the Gigabyte website, but no rc4. I'm trying to find 8.47rc1, which apparently is the first version to support Hybrid Crossfire (I've got a 3470 sitting here). I wish AMD was congenial like nVidia in making beta drivers available. But then, the lack of mature driver support is AMD's stated reason for delaying the RS780 launch everywhere except in China (meaning they're using the Chinese as beta testers...or just figuring user demands there aren't as great?).

Here is a source of recent ATI drivers from Chinese motherboard manufacturer Onda so use at your own risk...

ftp://ftp.onda.cn/download/driver/mb/ati/

Notable files include:

02/01/2008 02:13PM 253,798,356 onda_ati_8.452_rc2_xp.exe
01/17/2008 11:20PM 111,488,519 onda_ati_8.45_rc4_vista.exe
01/18/2008 12:00AM 145,194,942 onda_ati_8.45_rc4_xp.exe
02/21/2008 06:44PM 111,137,287 onda_ati_8.47_rc1_vista.exe
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The Enzotech won't have height issues inside many of the HTPC cases...might contact them or the vendor to see if they have any ideas on the ability to mount it to the new boards.

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Here is a source of recent ATI drivers from Chinese motherboard manufacturer Onda so use at your own risk...

ftp://ftp.onda.cn/download/driver/mb/ati/

Notable files include:

02/01/2008 02:13PM 253,798,356 onda_ati_8.452_rc2_xp.exe
01/17/2008 11:20PM 111,488,519 onda_ati_8.45_rc4_vista.exe
01/18/2008 12:00AM 145,194,942 onda_ati_8.45_rc4_xp.exe
02/21/2008 06:44PM 111,137,287 onda_ati_8.47_rc1_vista.exe

Outstanding! Thanks, magnoman!
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Yes, awesome. D/l'ing now. It's slow of course. I'll try and put it up on a faster host later today.

Got my board from ClubIT. Sadly I have to wait till tues for eveything else to come in. Ordered the 5000+ BE with Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 combo at newegg plus $40 MIR and got the OCZ Vendetta hsf. And I couldn't pass up the $0.99 500W PSU.
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Here is a source of recent ATI drivers from Chinese motherboard manufacturer Onda so use at your own risk...

ftp://ftp.onda.cn/download/driver/mb/ati/

Notable files include:

02/01/2008 02:13PM 253,798,356 onda_ati_8.452_rc2_xp.exe
01/17/2008 11:20PM 111,488,519 onda_ati_8.45_rc4_vista.exe
01/18/2008 12:00AM 145,194,942 onda_ati_8.45_rc4_xp.exe
02/21/2008 06:44PM 111,137,287 onda_ati_8.47_rc1_vista.exe

Mirrored for faster d/l here.
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Yes, awesome. D/l'ing now. It's slow of course. I'll try and put it up on a faster host later today.

Got my board from ClubIT. Sadly I have to wait till tues for eveything else to come in. Ordered the 5000+ BE with Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 combo at newegg plus $40 MIR and got the OCZ Vendetta hsf. And I couldn't pass up the $0.99 500W PSU.

I ordered the same 5000+ BE with Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 combo from Newegg, as well as this case:

APEVIA X-QPACK-NW-BK/420 Black Aluminum 1.0 w/ ABS plastic front panel MicroATX Desktop Computer Case 420W Power Supply

I also need a hsf but I am not familiar with that, could anybody recommend a small one that will fit the case?

By the way, my board has been shipped from ClubIT today
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I also need a hsf but I am not familiar with that, could anybody recommend a small one that will fit the case?

By the way, my board has been shipped from ClubIT today

Yeah, the 5000+BE/Corsair combo seems to be pretty popular.

I think the popular small HTPC hsf is the Scythe Ninja Mini. It's not too expensive either. I got the OCZ Vendetta bcz of price, efficiency, PWM, and it just needed to be under 6" in height. Good luck.
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I ordered the same 5000+ BE with Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 combo from Newegg, as well as this case:

APEVIA X-QPACK-NW-BK/420 Black Aluminum 1.0 w/ ABS plastic front panel MicroATX Desktop Computer Case 420W Power Supply

I also need a hsf but I am not familiar with that, could anybody recommend a small one that will fit the case?

By the way, my board has been shipped from ClubIT today

I would have recommended the Scythe Ninja Mini. I've got one in an Antec Fusion case, and it fits with about an 1/8" to spare. But that Apevia will take a heatsink no taller than 76mm (see Addendum on last page), so you're going to have to filter your prospects on the basis of that spec, and then let reviews and price steer you toward a decision. You'll also have to consider lateral clearance of the motherboard itself. But this Gigabyte board is pretty forgiving in that respect (as long as you don't intend to stick high-profile DIMMS like OCZ Reaper, Patriot Viper, or Corsair Dominator in the first memory slots).
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I would have recommended the Scythe Ninja Mini. I've got one in an Antec Fusion case, and it fits with about an 1/8" to spare. But that Apevia will take a heatsink no taller than 76mm (see Addendum on last page), so you're going to have to filter your prospects on the basis of that spec, and then let reviews and price steer you toward a decision. You'll also have to consider lateral clearance of the motherboard itself. But this Gigabyte board is pretty forgiving in that respect (as long as you don't intend to stick high-profile DIMMS like OCZ Reaper, Patriot Viper, or Corsair Dominator in the first memory slots).

I was looking at the Ninja Mini and I did notice that it exceeds the height limit... should I consider another case? According to the reviews the APEVIA X-QPACK is not bad (at $60), is a Antec Fusion or similar worth 140 extra bucks?
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I ordered the same 5000+ BE with Corsair XMS2 2GB DDR 800 combo from Newegg, as well as this case:

APEVIA X-QPACK-NW-BK/420 Black Aluminum 1.0 w/ ABS plastic front panel MicroATX Desktop Computer Case 420W Power Supply

I also need a hsf but I am not familiar with that, could anybody recommend a small one that will fit the case?

By the way, my board has been shipped from ClubIT today

I still think the best cooler I have ever seen for this space is the Silentflux Media cooler...
http://www.noiselimit.com/index2.asp?id=15


Boasts a superior noise/performance ratio of 24 dB(A) at 100W. Under most working conditions, for example, movie recording and DVD viewing, this noise level is only a few dB(A) above ambient noise and therefore perceived as noiseless
Has no movable parts, giving excellent reliability
Weighs only 300 grams (including the fan), which means reduced shipping costs and less risk of damage under handling and transportation
Is only 6 cm high - including the fan
Only uses environmentally correct materials
Is RoHS compliant
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For a list of relative noise levels...
http://www.maglevpa.com/eis/april03pub/noise_2.pdf

Directron carries their ATX version...

http://www.directron.com/noiselimitamd.html

I am pretty sure they carry the media version as well, but I don't see it listed.

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I was looking at the Ninja Mini and I did notice that it exceeds the height limit... should I consider another case? According to the reviews the APEVIA X-QPACK is not bad (at $60), is a Antec Fusion or similar worth 140 extra bucks?

Check zipzoomfly.com for a better price on the antec fusion. It is a very nice case, and it has 2 120mm side fans for quiet and cool operation.

Still trying to decide between this and the geForce 8200 boards. Hopefully CeBit will paint a clearer picture. I am leaning toward the nvidia though because of the multichannel PCM over HDMI.
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Anyone having any heat issues @ 1080p Blu-ray using HDMI?
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I still think the best cooler I have ever seen for this space is the Silentflux Media cooler...

Direction does not seem to carry the media version, can't find it elsewhere either.
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Pardon my ignorance. Can someone claify whether this is supposed to be an upgraded board over the Gigabyte GA-MA69GM-S2H?

Thanks.
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Pardon my ignorance. Can someone claify whether this is supposed to be an upgraded board over the Gigabyte GA-MA69GM-S2H?

Thanks.

Massively so.
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I was looking at the Ninja Mini and I did notice that it exceeds the height limit... should I consider another case? According to the reviews the APEVIA X-QPACK is not bad (at $60), is a Antec Fusion or similar worth 140 extra bucks?

binetree, you might also check out the Fusion's lesser sibling, the NSK2480. It's the same size as the Fusion, but lacks: 1) a flourescent display with built-in IR sensor (in its place is a second optical drive bay). 2) hinged optical drive doors (if you get a silver NSK2480, you might want harder-to-find silver-bezeled drives, since those drives will never be hidden), 3) a solid brushed aluminum front face plate (the NSK2480's front is painted plastic), 4) a 430w psu (the NSK2480 has a 380w), 5) a volume knob.

Those are the major differences I'm aware of, there could be a few others. Some people even prefer the NSK2480 over the Fusion, due to a few known problems with the Fusion's flourescent display and IR sensor.

I got my Fusion case for $132 shipped from Buy.com (after a $30 rebate). Sometimes places like ZipZoomFly and Frys have the NSK2480 for as low as $50 after rebate.
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Pardon my ignorance. Can someone claify whether this is supposed to be an upgraded board over the Gigabyte GA-MA69GM-S2H?

Thanks.

Massively so.

sorry, who has upgraded which Board?

@ audio via HDMI: the MA78GM-S2H is supposed to support HDMI 1.3b:
h t t p ://62.109.81.232/cgi-bin/sbb/sbb.cgi?&forum=2&show=2516&a=show&start=105#108

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Question: The NB heatsink on the GA-MA69GM-S2H gets very hot even when the system is idle. Does it get hot also when idle on this new 780G board?
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I am definitely interested in maximizing my audio capabilities. The ability to do some of the new HD audio formats over HDMI would be important. I understand that the MA69GM-S2H can do them over analog outputs. However, the analog inputs on my pre-amp are already being used by my SACD/DVD-A player. Given that, am I correct in understanding that the new MA78GM-S2H would fit the bill better for me?
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Question: The NB heatsink on the GA-MA69GM-S2H gets very hot even when the system is idle. Does it get hot also when idle on this new 780G board?

Yes, it gets quite warm even when idle.

I loaded up AMD OverDrive last night and I noticed a couple of things...

It appears that my 780G northbridge GPU runs about 81 degrees Celcius when idle in a completely open case (almost nervous to close it!). Under load (playing a Blu-ray) I've seen it as high as 87 degrees so far. Also, when idle the northbridge clocks down to 200 Mhz and then increases to 500 Mhz when under any kind of load.
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I am definitely interested in maximizing my audio capabilities. The ability to do some of the new HD audio formats over HDMI would be important. I understand that the MA69GM-S2H can do them over analog outputs. However, the analog inputs on my pre-amp are already being used by my SACD/DVD-A player. Given that, am I correct in understanding that the new MA78GM-S2H would fit the bill better for me?

No, not at this time. The 780G chipset only supports 2 channel LPCM and I think regular Dolby Digital and DTS via HDMI but I haven't tried to get regular surround working yet over HDMI. The 2 channel LPCM seems to work fine though. The board does support sending Dolby Digital and DTS via the optical S/PDIF and converting from the HD audio formats to its 8 channel analog outs.

You may be more pleased with an upcoming Geforce 8200 based motherboard if you are concerned about HD audio formats over HDMI. The Geforce 8200 is reported to support 8 channel LPCM but even it doesn't support passing the HD formats in bitstream to an external decoder.
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Yes, it gets quite warm even when idle.

I loaded up AMD OverDrive last night and I noticed a couple of things...

It appears that my 780G northbridge GPU runs about 81 degrees Celcius when idle in a completely open case (almost nervous to close it!). Under load (playing a Blu-ray) I've seen it as high as 87 degrees so far. Also, when idle the northbridge clocks down to 200 Mhz and then increases to 500 Mhz when under any kind of load.

I've seen that 81c temp too - but I have put an 80mm fan directly on it to the point where it's cool to the touch and that number doesn't dip any lower, I'm wondering if AMD OD doesn't fully support 780G yet?
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I've seen that 81c temp too - but I have put an 80mm fan directly on it to the point where it's cool to the touch and that number doesn't dip any lower, I'm wondering if AMD OD doesn't fully support 780G yet?

Wouldn't surprise me. I just tried the same thing and mine came down to 80c and it also became cooler to the touch. Given the temp change of the heatsink I would have expected much more of a change in the sensor reading so who knows how truthful its being. Does yours also go up quite a bit during movie play-back? You eluded to a heat issue in an earlier post. Is it affecting play-back? I haven't seen it get too hot to play properly but then again I haven't tried closing the case yet.
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Wouldn't surprise me. I just tried the same thing and mine came down to 80c and it also became cooler to the touch. Given the temp change of the heatsink I would have expected much more of a change in the sensor reading so who knows how truthful its being. Does yours also go up quite a bit during movie play-back? You eluded to a heat issue in an earlier post. Is it affecting play-back? I haven't seen it get too hot to play properly but then again I haven't tried closing the case yet.

Yes, I have two Rev 1.0 boards with the F3c BIOS (sorry, I can't send this out). During POTC: At World's End @ 1080p, if I do not actively cool the NB very quickly I start to get white pixel artifacts and then snowy bars - then the screen goes to snow and then black. It's unrecoverable. If I catch it quickly enough and put a fan back on it, the artifacts go away and I can watch the full movie. Acts the same on both boards. Funny thing is if I go out VGA I do not have this issue. I have even removed the NBs, cleaned the thermal gunk off, and applied Arctic Silver 5. As these boards were acquired through ClubIT from China and sold prior to the US launch, I am hesitant to make too much of it. There is no telling how ClubIT acquired these boards. Oh, and this is all open air, not in a chassis. So if some of you are not having this issue then I bet it is something that proper US retail product won't have. And I am working very closely with several people on this.
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Yes... ...During POTC: At World's End @ 1080p, if I do not actively cool the NB very quickly I start to get white pixel artifacts and then snowy bars - then the screen goes to snow and then black...

Just a thought but you might want to try to underclock it. Maybe try 400 Mhz?

I had initially heard that 400 Mhz was going to be the stock speed anyway... Maybe they decided to increase it to better compete with the GF8200.

Heck, for that matter, these Chinese Rev 1.0 boards could actually be 400 Mhz parts factory overclocked to 500 Mhz.
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Just a thought but you might want to try to underclock it. Maybe try 400 Mhz?

I had initially heard that 400 Mhz was going to be the stock speed anyway... Maybe they decided to increase it to better compete with the GF8200.

Great idea, I will try that immediately.
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binetree, you might also check out the Fusion's lesser sibling, the NSK2480. It's the same size as the Fusion, but lacks: 1) a flourescent display with built-in IR sensor (in its place is a second optical drive bay). 2) hinged optical drive doors (if you get a silver NSK2480, you might want harder-to-find silver-bezeled drives, since those drives will never be hidden), 3) a solid brushed aluminum front face plate (the NSK2480's front is painted plastic), 4) a 430w psu (the NSK2480 has a 380w), 5) a volume knob.

Those are the major differences I'm aware of, there could be a few others. Some people even prefer the NSK2480 over the Fusion, due to a few known problems with the Fusion's flourescent display and IR sensor.

I got my Fusion case for $132 shipped from Buy.com (after a $30 rebate). Sometimes places like ZipZoomFly and Frys have the NSK2480 for as low as $50 after rebate.
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Thanks for the information.

Is a 380W psu enough for the 5000+ BE and GA-MA78GM-S2H combo? I will put in 2 HDD and an optical diver.
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Check zipzoomfly.com for a better price on the antec fusion. It is a very nice case, and it has 2 120mm side fans for quiet and cool operation.

Still trying to decide between this and the geForce 8200 boards. Hopefully CeBit will paint a clearer picture. I am leaning toward the nvidia though because of the multichannel PCM over HDMI.

I don't like the ATI drive either -- please let us know when you finish your study
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Just a thought but you might want to try to underclock it. Maybe try 400 Mhz?

I had initially heard that 400 Mhz was going to be the stock speed anyway... Maybe they decided to increase it to better compete with the GF8200.

Heck, for that matter, these Chinese Rev 1.0 boards could actually be 400 Mhz parts factory overclocked to 500 Mhz.

Dude, FANTASTIC call - @ 400MHz the issue took MUCH longer to pop up, but it's still there.
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