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I had been blissfully unaware of the "Slingbox" by Sling Media until I saw it mentioned in Walt Mossberg's column in the Chicago Sun-Times this morning (which comes compliments of the WSJ), so I thought I'd check in to see how many RTVers have already picked on up.

Here's a link to the article in question...
http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20050630.html

Here's a link to Sling Media's web site...
http://www.slingmedia.com/

And here's a link to an AVS thread over in the Generat HT forum on the subject...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=529655

http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...2005182557.jpg

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I don't have one, but I've seen a bit on them. There was some story on the company in some local SJ rag. Sounded interesting, although I think it's fulgy box... It hasn't been released yet that I know, but it should be soon.

I don't remember it doing anything by live encoding, ie you can't record a show for later watching. But... if you could remotely control your DVR you could stream that via the box. Boy would that be the nightmare support issue!

But it really does sound like a real-time video encoder/streamer. Nothing too fancy, and I'd think you could have a PC do it.

Fun to get up at 7am in Japan to watch your 5 o'clock news from the day before... that's so yesterday!

Since I never leave the house it wouldn't do me much good... (that said, myreplaytv site has saved me once!)
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=426734
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=546093


A 'new' guy popped up on AVS a few days ago. Calls himself Slingbox411. He has 3 posts so far. His sig is 'Slingbox user for over 1/365th of a year.' Check out his slingbox411.com web site. I like him already; he grabbed the space early.

The slingbox appeals to me because I trust hardware for these things much more then I do software, and because the control it gives me can't easily be relinquished. With that said, I'd think similar software in a HTPC would be more straightforward.

There's ReplayTV Support (minus a few buttons)
I put this in google:
site:slingmedia.com replaytv
and got this..
http://portal.knowledgebase.net/disp...58&r=0.7950251


Manual here:
http://www.slingmedia.com/documentation.php4

For the heck of it I installed the slingbox software. It's a simple interface, sorta like vlc (without the huge lists in submenus). I like it.
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(in short, you just plug in everything, ir blaster, cat5 cable, etc)

PDF page 13:

Connect the IR control cable
The IR control cable allows the Slingbox to act as a universal remote, controlling the device you connect to the Slingbox. It works with your cable/satellite box or
DVR, and many other devices. Make sure you place your Slingbox close enough to your device so the IR control cable can be attached to the front of your device.

1. Connect the IR control cable to the IR connector on the Slingbox. Make sure to firmly insert the cable connector so the cable’s plastic covering meets the back of the Slingbox. It clicks in when fully inserted. Check this connection before continuing.

2. Place the emitter ends of the cable on the top and bottom of the device so they point at its IR sensor. Make sure they extend out far enough to send a signal to your device.

Finding the IR sensor
The infrared sensor is on the front of the device, usually behind a dark, sometimes reddish plastic window. If you don’t see the sensor, shine a flashlight through the window and look for a small bulb, similar to the one on the end of the emitters.

• Once you are sure you have placed an emitter correctly, remove the adhesive covering and affix the emitter so it extends out far enough to send a signal to your device.

Important: When you install the SlingPlayer software, the Setup Wizard attempts to communicate with your device using the IR control cable. Make sure you place the emitters over the infrared sensor on your device before you install the SlingPlayer software. If the Setup Wizard is not controlling your device, you may need to adjust the position of the emitters. You may want to wait to affix the emitters until after you install the SlingPlayer software.
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Slingbox's competitor is Orb (orb.com). Orb is free i guess. Looks like it has some software annoyances at first glance.

Here's an article on it:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...networks_x.htm


'site:http://www.orb.com/ replaytv' in google renders nothing.
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I don't want to be a killjoy about this box. But one of the specs I read after
some google researching. Said as a requirement to run this box. You will
need a P4 1Ghz min.

This could be a performance killer! Even at a min of P3-800, this box would
be hard to swallow. The general population of PC machines is not P4 and
certainly not 1 GHZ!!!!

Just look at how many people can get thier ass'es off Win95. I see many returns
for this device. From non-technical, spyware loaded, ownz'ed PC's users.

Link with bad news:
http://www.slingmedia.com/how.php4
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Here's a link to the Slingbox at Best Buy...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1115366460216

Btw cow, your slingbox media knowledgebase link doesn't work, so I tried the Google search and that didn't find anything either.

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Here's a link to CompUSA they're in stock now...

http://www.compusa.com/products/prod...29231&pfp=hpf4

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The general population of PC machines is not P4 and
certainly not 1 GHZ!!!!
But at $250 and what the Slingbox is and does, J6P is probably not the average Slingbox customer. Plus a 1 Ghz+ PC can be had for $200 or $300 these days, so I doubt Sling Media is worried about the required PC specs keeping people from buying it.

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Bought one but haven't hooked it up yet. The best test will be if I can get NFL Sunday Ticket away from home.

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This morning's Merc has a bit on it, saying it wasn't worth the trouble to use. The writer liked the idea, just not setting it up. He said he had to spend 1/2 an hour on the phone with an exec at slingbox just to get it working in his setup...
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As to Ken's point... I could buy one for my folks and hook it up there so I could always watch my Pats without the sunday ticket. And at $250/season I think the box might be a better choice than the ticket.
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A netcitizen --somewhere-- wrote that the slingbox software is open source. I've made an initial attempt to verify that, but failed. I don't see it on slingmedia's website.

The slingbox bypasses the double-select bug since it uses a IR blaster. That's attractive.

I'll be watching them for a few months, and am prepaired to snap one up if they get ubruptly get sued, heh (I have no data on the odds, heh).

newsflash (old) Slingbox makes cnet top 10 gadgets:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-8900_7-...?tag=cnetfd.ld
bonus: a mostly worthless video clip available!


giftlist:
>RTV
>DVARCHIVE
>SLINGBOX
>WIFI PDA
>BLUETOOTH HEADPHONES
> Teleglass Wearable Display

http://www.letsgodigital.org/images/...leglass_in.jpg
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news...tory_3580.html

It would be nice to watch any show on a DVA Server on a wearable Display via slingbox. Why don't one of you rich, successful guys try it!




Year old forbes article:
http://www.forbes.com/infoimaging/20...isplay_ii.html


wantonly strewn articles:
http://news.com.com/2060-10801_3-0.html?tag=nefd.bl
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000850038379/


Note: The first wearable display
1966 (F) Sutherland creates first computer-based head-mounted display [MIT]
Sutherland created a tethered HMD using two CRTs mounted beside each of a wearer's ears, with half-silvered mirrors reflecting the images to the user's eyes. Another system determined where the user was looking and projected a monoscopic wireframe image such that it looked like a cube was floating in mid-air. The bulk of the system was attached to the ceiling above the wearer's head, earning the system the nickname "Sword of Damocles."

Story of "Sword of Damocles":
http://ancienthistory.about.com/libr...l_damocles.htm


First dude (probably) to startwearing wearable display constantly, Thad Starner:
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/people/.../thad.starner/

more crazy ****:
http://www.media.mit.edu/wearables/history.html

bonus random links:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...lr%3D%26sa%3DG
http://isc.temple.edu/sdrury/survey/...sketchpad.html

(first astronaut ever, Laika a russian dog, 1957)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/image/laika.jpg

http://www.aec.at/en/archiv_files/19902/E1990b_123.pdf
http://www.cis.rit.edu/people/facult...p_9/ch9p1.html

no clue:
http://www.khm.de/~vrmlkurs/historie/sensorama.jpg
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I've read most of what has come out recently on the thing. And I just can't see it working for anyone with 128k upstream bandwidth. Which is the majority of dsl customers these days. Myself included.

So you can watch your home town football team in Tokyo... at what resolution and what compression to get all the way there without drop outs? I mean could you even see the ball?

Unless you got a fat upstream pipe, I just don't see this thing working well. Well enough for the news maybe, but not football.

The idea is solid but the infrastucture. Is it ready for this? Sony has a similar product. I'm guessing it'll languish for a while in the shadow of PSP sales than get the axe.
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Holy COW! IC you have got some kind of freaky ability to gather information. Was that your major?
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I think he majored in "Google".

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As to Ken's point... I could buy one for my folks and hook it up there so I could always watch my Pats without the sunday ticket. And at $250/season I think the box might be a better choice than the ticket.
Wow, haven't really thought about it but the possibility of region-shifting sports in particular makes you wonder if this would be a wide-open invitation for the leagues (NFL, especially) to sue Sling. There's lots of good games that my Dad gets that I don't because I'm in an NFL market (ATL), and even though I love the Birds I still want to have more than two choices on Sunday afternoon. Not to mention the possibility of people getting blacked-out games that they're not supposed to...

So, I could hook him up with one of these (after the price drops to a more realistic level, natch) and possibly get four or more game choices on Sunday without paying for the Ticket (which I can't get anyway since I don't have DTV).
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It is Wednesday night 7/6/ and I am looking to do a story on the new sling box. I am a producer with KCBS Channel 2. We would love to come out and see if you like the product, and how it works. I can't submit my email because I'm a new poster, but please reply.
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Hmmm.... maybe not such a good idea to have a So. Cal. affiliate of CBS showing off all the neat ways we've devised to circumvent the entertainment industry's IP protections.

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The box works well, setup was straight forward. I/R blaster positioning on my Replay 4500 was very critical but does work.

I also tried it on an old P3 500Mhz (XPpro) Laptop with wireless G and it streamed my Replay without any stuttering.

I'm not so keen on the non-standard rear connectors, the blaster phone jack is smaller than the industry standard 3.5mm. I'm using S-Vid input (the only Std. connector) and wish the audio was Std. RCA's, but they are quad mini-phone with composite video mixed with them so I have to use the Sling supplied cable and leave the yellow connector unplugged.

All in all, it's a cool box. It will rock when it supports a WiFi PDA like an iPAQ 4700. Hopefully that will happen sometime soon!

I've no interest in streaming outside my area, and wouldn't like to see the media play it that way. It's a great product to allow one to see their own content, anywhere.

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I didn't see anyone mention it, but there's also a PC Magazine review at http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1833045,00.asp.

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I think he majored in "Google".
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Slowbiscuit, so if the falcons are playing that's the only game on? I thought that was was something special in the bay area where if the 9er's are playing that's the only game that can be one. How stupid of the NFL if they did that. They don't get that fans don't always live in the towns with the teams they love....
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Yeah Jeff, I get two games when the Birds are at home, one of them the Falcons and another in the other time slot. Sucks when the game is a blowout and a better game is on in the same slot. But that's the NFL's rule, the home team gets exclusive rights.
I was kind of joking about the NFL suing Sling since they're so under the radar right now, but I can see this device (or others) being used to circumvent the restrictive broadcast rules used by sports teams. I would love to be able to get other games live every week simply by accessing a relative's or friend's cable box, sat receiver, etc. over the net, but you know the leagues will not let this lie if it becomes widespread.
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I'd like to try one out, but maybe it's vaporware??
Last week Best Buy estimated units in stock by 7/11, now their site says 7/20-7/27, CompUSA has no physical inventory, but is taking orders.... Hmmmmmmm.

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When they get a PDA client going, I'll definitely buy one of these. My Treo 650 should easily handle the streaming and I already watch coverted Replay MPGs comfortable on the small hi-res screen.

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They may be in short supply, but are not vaporware. They work as advertised and will just be better when the Win2K and PDA client software is released, hopefully soon!

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They may be in short supply, but are not vaporware.
Where do we order one from? No one seems to have them in stock.
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As to Ken's point... I could buy one for my folks and hook it up there so I could always watch my Pats without the sunday ticket. And at $250/season I think the box might be a better choice than the ticket.
Actually this is a darn good idea. If my brother ever got broadband he would probably pay me to buy the box so he could watch Giants games. I don't think my sister-in-law appreciates him going to the Sports bar at 10am on Sundays.
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If my brother ever got broadband he would probably pay me to buy the box so he could watch Giants games. I don't think my sister-in-law appreciates him going to the Sports bar at 10am on Sundays.
Unless there's more to going to the sports bar than just watching football. :D

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