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I just thought I'd resurrect an "old" topic for hopefully some fun discussion.
Regardless of the objective merits of having long balanced interconnects and short speaker cables, this just isn't a practical solution for most of you. But it does work for those few of us with mono amps at each speaker!!!!
When I first setup my then brand new Aerial speakers and Bryston 7B amps in my then brand new home theater room back in March 1997, I had leftover long Kimber flat speaker cable from my downstairs system that I used, so I went with short interconnects and long speaker cables.
Then I demod some Transparent networked cabling from my local dealer and was interested in that. I talked with Transparent and was advised that they adjust their cable networks to compensate for length, so long speaker cable from a subjective standpoint sounds virtually identical to shorter speaker cable. Transparent also recommended that even if I used long balanced interconnects and short speaker cable, that the speaker cable be no less than 8 foot long as that was necessary engineering wise to sound as it should. Well, this persuaded me to go with short interconnects and long speaker cable, and to put the amplfiiers in my main equipment racks, not by the speakers. And we don't wanna discuss what I spent for the new Transparent cabling. Or how much I '"lost" when I sold it early 2001. There is no doubt that when I demod several levels of Transparent speaker cabling, both I and my helpers, my wife's sister and her friend, heard the differences. Problem is that with more listening and tweaking we become more experienced and learn that some differences are not necessarily overall "better" or monetarily worthwhile. A hard lesson to learn. And a lesson I have no doubt some of you tweakers are learning at times, too.
In early 2001 I moved the Bryston 7B amps to my Aerial speakers, using long Meitner Bybee balanced interconnects (a thin wire Ed Meitner picked up from a Canadian company, Ed cryod the wire, and Jack Bybee then
terminated the wire for me), and I used external balanced Bybee devices at the end of each interconnect. And I initially used some short about eight inch Legend Apature speaker cable fashioned by my friend Jack Bybee
into biwired on the speaker end. And yes, it sounded better than my prior setup, just more musical and more real life texture to the sound.
Then, by summer 2001, I had completed my Granite Audio Odyssey (Get it, 2001: A Space Odyssey!)! I had Granite Audioized my system, with their 560 10 guage toroids each end power cords, long balanced silver interconnects, and short speaker cables. WOW! What a difference! I now play my system at a real reasonable, somewhat low level yet its so clear and dynamic. When forum member Mark Davis came over a few months ago, he was blown away (please excuse me for bragging) because he expected my system to be loud and have to be turned down, and instead found it relaxing and totally non-fatiguing. Amazing what some fake Granite can do!!!
I'd like to hear experiences of anyone else who has gone on a similar odyssey.
And of course, I think that over the past several years on the web, especially here at AV Science, and as a member of the Az Audiophile Society, I have learned a lot from folks such as Don Hoglund of Granite Audio, Alan Maher of Perfect Cable, Bob Williams of Audionut, Peter Bislewicz of Symposium Acoustics, Glimme, Jack Bybee, and others -
so I've become better objective based in my decision-making, not just subjective.
And some good questions to discuss objectively pertaining to this subject:
- Are long balanced interconnects carrying a line level signal objectively going to have much less loss of signal quality over long lengths, then that amplified signal going through a long length of speaker cable? Why?
- If a cable company says that you need at minimum an 8 foot cable length for speaker cable, or it won't sound right (I've had two companies tell me this when I asked over the years), is this pure fluff, or is there anything to it?
- One reason touted by some companies to go with longer speaker cables is that they use networks which compensate for length and/or impedance.
So that subjectively long speaker cables sound the same as short speaker cables? Does this make any sense objectively? Why or why not?
- I've seen one cable company which has some sort of box near the interconnect end and claims its ten step adjustable based on the impedance of your amplifier. The company claimed at Audio Asylum that this is not a network. Is that possible objectively? Wouldn't you have to use some sort of network to have this sort of variability???
Anyway, I think this is an interesting topic - that is, if anyone is interested???
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