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CEDIA Outraged by California Energy Commission's (CEC) Approval
of TV Energy-Efficiency Standard


Ruling Will Negatively Impact CEDIA Members' Businesses in California

Indianapolis - (November 19, 2009) - The Custom Electronic Design & Installation Association (CEDIA) is outraged by the adoption of the unnecessary and harmful regulation regarding the California TV energy efficiency standard the CEC chose to adopt yesterday.

Despite continued efforts and data outlining the negative ramifications of the ruling provided by CEDIA and the Californians for Smart Energy coalition, the CEC chose to adopt regulations on the energy consumption of televisions sold in California. This regulation will have a significant negative impact on the sale and installation of flat-panel displays and the businesses in the residential electronic systems industry.

CEDIA has worked tirelessly on this issue and is dismayed and frustrated at the CEC's decision to pass the ruling, said Utz Baldwin, CEDIA chief executive officer. From the beginning of the hearings it was evident that the CEC had already determined the outcome before they started and had no intentions of factoring in any other viewpoints.

According to Baldwin, not only does the ruling negatively affect CEDIA members' ability to do business, it also minimizes their ability to provide enhanced energy-efficient solutions to their clients.

The television is often the first point of entry into the home for CEDIA members, said Baldwin By placing a mandate on the energy-usage of TVs in the home, this ruling is ultimately preventing small business owners' ability to provide enhanced energy-saving technologies that go above and beyond the television.

Despite the beliefs of the CEC, their actions will negatively impact California-based electronic systems contractors as well as the entire residential electronic systems industry in California, said Darren Reaman, CEDIA director of public policy. The CEC's actions will negatively affect hundreds of small businesses that employ thousands of people in the residential electronic systems industry and increase California's 12% unemployment rate.

CEDIA has worked on this issue for over a year. Throughout the process, CEDIA has provided examples to the CEC regarding the continuous efforts of electronic systems contractors who are working without a mandate to meet customers' desire for energy-efficient homes to become more energy-efficient with numerous solutions. CEDIA worked closely with the Californians for Smart Energy coalition and other industry stakeholders to inform the CEC about the negative consequences the proposed rule would have on the State of California, and specifically hundreds of small businesses.

This has been an uphill battle since this regulation was proposed and CEDIA will continue to invest time and resources in this issue not only in the State of California, but as the issue is brought up in other states"', said Baldwin.

CEDIA supports manufacturer and retailer participation in energy efficiency programs and has established a Green Task Force charged with researching processes and procedures for developing energy-efficient products for consumers.

For more information CEDIA's public policy efforts, please visit www.cedia.org/public_policy

About CEDIA
CEDIA is an international trade association of companies that specialize in designing and installing electronic systems for the home. The association was founded in September 1989 and has more than 3,500 member companies worldwide. CEDIA members are established and insured businesses with bona fide qualifications and experience in this specialized field. For more information on CEDIA, visit the association's website at www.cedia.org.
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According to Baldwin, not only does the ruling negatively affect CEDIA members' ability to do business, it also minimizes their ability to provide enhanced energy-efficient solutions to their clients.

Agreed, you can count on government to undo any good the private sector might do even in energy-efficiency. A good example is Energy Star compared to the new government required Energy Efficiency stickers.
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According to Baldwin, not only does the ruling negatively affect CEDIA members' ability to do business, it also minimizes their ability to provide enhanced energy-efficient solutions to their clients.
Agreed, you can count on government to undo any good the private sector might do even in energy-efficiency. A good example is Energy Star compared to the new government required Energy Efficiency stickers.

Do not take CEDIA's statement too hard. Manufacturers will do everything in their power to avoid environmental protections. Tighter requirements will stem more research and growth in order to invent new more efficient technologies, but that requires investment. Do you take car manufacturers too seriously on their complaints on tighter regulations? Without that there would be no initiatives to develop electric cars, and I do not think anyone will find much wrong with Tesla or Fiskar Karma. Loose government regulation always end up bad for everyone, just like it happened with banking industry in 2008. Typically CA leads the way and everyone else eventually follows.
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I'm sorry but while your statements do offer valid points I think the car industry is the exact opposite of regulation. Toyota sold 100,000 units of the Prius until gas went north of $4.00 a gallon. They then sold almost twice that. Government regulations had squat to do with the increase in sales volume it was solely the response to an increase in gas prices. Likewise all of the American manufactures were scrambling to make a competing vehicle (that are now available today because of the gas crunch not government regulations). BTW, you may want Google pissed off Tesla owners and do some reading you may find a good group of people that think getting taken for double deposits is wrong.
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I'm sorry but while your statements do offer valid points I think the car industry is the exact opposite of regulation. Toyota sold 100,000 units of the Prius until gas went north of $4.00 a gallon. They then sold almost twice that. Government regulations had squat to do with the increase in sales volume it was solely the response to an increase in gas prices. Likewise all of the American manufactures were scrambling to make a competing vehicle (that are now available today because of the gas crunch not government regulations). BTW, you may want Google pissed off Tesla owners and do some reading you may find a good group of people that think getting taken for double deposits is wrong.

Those regulations are what helped encourage the development of cars like the Prius otherwise the sales volume of them would have been exactly ZERO because there would have been no Prius without those regs being put in place. So any volume of sales that occured for that car model was certaily influenced by those regs being put in place.
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The statist luv is strong in this thread.
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Good god, this is ridiculous. I've placed an order for a solar panel installation that will produce 110% of my power consumption. I did this out of concern for the green in my wallet, not because "Green" is my religion or political party.

When I'm producing enough electricity for myself and my family and providing a little more to my neighbors, can I enjoy my plasma display and monoblocks in peace without a bunch of busybodies in Sacramento worrying about my carbon footprint?mad.gif

P.S. I drive a Prius for the reliability, cost to operate, and the expected resale value. Politics and worshipping Mother Gaia have nothing to do with it. I don't like a lot of the oil producing countries, but the dollars and cents guided my decision to buy this car.

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'Luv' of cleaner air and safer cars is strong too, in most people, and has been for decades. And you can thank government regulations (spurred initially by grassroots activism) for those.

Hopefully Americans are starting to tire of all the reckless anti-government rhetoric that's been shouted out over the last four years or so. (Curious how that rise in rhetorical volume coincided with
both an economic crisis that absolutely required government intervention, and the rise of a half-black man to the White House.)
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There is a balance between achieving "cleaner air" and "safer cars" versus crushing regulation. And said crisis was in part made possible by govt. meddling in the free market (and a Wall Street/govt. relationship that has been far too cozy; the Glass-Steagal Act repeal was a disaster, so was creating the Federal Reserve and granting it the power it has today, not to mention secrecy). I'm not really following your first sentence ("is most people"). I'm with JimboG and also drive a Prius for the same reasons.

Don't really care about the race of the current occupier (you had to go there), just despise his politics (socialist/commie rhetoric), double-speak and blatant untruths/lies (on which he has built his entire house of cards). It's amazing how race can be so easily and repeatedly used as a scapegoat for failed leadership and outright lying. No govt. or financial institution individuals have been imprisoned since that aforementioned calamity, and down the railroad tracks we continue to go at a breakneck pace.

People's confidence and faith in the govt. are at all-time lows, and that's not just rhetoric.
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There is a balance between achieving "cleaner air" and "safer cars" versus crushing regulation. And said crisis was in part made possible by govt. meddling in the free market (and a Wall Street/govt. relationship that has been far too cozy; the Glass-Steagal Act repeal was a disaster, so was creating the Federal Reserve and granting it the power it has today, not to mention secrecy). I'm not really following your first sentence ("is most people").

That was a typo where 'is' should have been 'in'. Fixed now.
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Don't really care about the race of the current occupier (you had to go there), just despise his politics (socialist/commie rhetoric),

Oh, please. Obama is about as 'socialist/commie' as Kennedy or Johnson or Clinton or even *Richard Nixon* (who was 'for' an awful lot of things that the GOP would totally disavow today -- except his brilliant use of the 'Southern strategy'). Have you no historical sense at all? You surely have no sense of what it's like to live in a country whose governments are actually socialist or communist. Even the fact that you elide those two political systems together as 'socialist/communist' -- as if, say, Germany and North Korea are just two sides of the same political coin -- says a lot about how serious thought has been replaced by slogans and reflex.

And really -- the rest of what you wrote up there is wildly self-contradictory. You complain about government meddling in free markets, and at the same time, complain about Wall Street being too cozy with government -- well, what do you suppose is the solution is to THAT? Just let Wall Street be Wall Street?? And you laud Glass-Steagall, which was certainly 'meddling in the free market' according to the banks. Repealing it was a *victory* for the champions of so-called 'free markets' (i.e., the banks who are becoming ever more consolidated, monopolistic, and profitable in the wake of the economic meltdown and GOP opposition to strong regulation). For the rest of us it was a defeat. And it is *impossible* for it to be re-enacted today, thanks to the rabid focus the GOP has on making Obama a one-term president --a focus they publicly announced quite early in his term. Re-enacting Glass-Steagall might be construed as a 'win' for Mr. Socialist/Communist and the Democrats, you see, and we just can't have that in today's frighteningly polarized Congress.

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double-speak and blatant untruths/lies (on which he has built his entire house of cards). It's amazing how race can be so easily and repeatedly used as a scapegoat for failed leadership and outright lying. No govt. or financial institution individuals have been imprisoned since that aforementioned calamity, and down the railroad tracks we continue to go at a breakneck pace.
People's confidence and faith in the govt. are at all-time lows, and that's not just rhetoric.

Actually it's got a lot to do with rhetoric like 'socialist/commie' and 'outright lying' being hurled from a party (and its media organs) that has moved so far to the right and has become so averse to compromise that it would be almost unrecognizable to one of its heroes: Ronald Reagan..
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There's nothing contradictory about what I stated. The result of lobbying from powerful financial institutions is an obvious blight and source of problems but not the only one (politicians doling out promises and creating toxic assets by mandating mortgages be granted to those with questionable qualifications is half the problem). You can call it fascist if you want, as it presently mirrors aspects of all three aforementioned isms. Nixon is scum, yes, and so is LBJ. I try not to mince words when it comes to past presidencies and their hideous legacies. Have you lived in any authoritative countries? Because there are plenty who have emigrated from such regimes and have identified the present despot for what he is, so don't take it from me. Funny how it was CLINTON who signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall (which was in effect and obviously working for decades prior) and yet your rabid "blame the GOP" game continues unabated (the fact that you only blame one party calls into question your own so-called bipartisan judgement). Reinstating a previous law that worked would have been miles better than NEW regulations (Dodd-Frank), the costs of which ultimately get passed onto the consumer. Barack himself is the one who championed wealth redistribution long before he set eyes on the Presidency and pretended he was never a member of the New Party. And Barack and the Dems had full control of the govt. from 2008-2010, which brought us that wonderful gift to the insurance companies (debate over which the GOP was shut out, making compromise impossible) and a smack in the face to individual liberty everywhere.

No budget in 1200+ days, $4 more trillion in debt and much, much more. And don't presume to know that I think Romney has the solutions...the ship has just about sailed for the one I trusted the most to provide the most honesty about our present dilemmas.

This is a royal waste of time because you in your infinite wisdom won't change the mind of some "neanderthal" like me and vice versa. Enjoy your statism. It's what's for dinner.

Edit to add: Reagan actually sat over the biggest growth of government spending/scope in some time, shortly after the assassination attempt no less (yes, you can call me one those conspiracy nuts too), so no one is without fault. He did have some pretty choice words about big government, though, and his more conciliatory thoughts about compromise in no way take away from his warnings about a centralized govt's insatiable appetite for more power, control and funding and how this causes it to be further removed from the interest of who it governs versus the interest of its own agenda.
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Take away the nutty, paranoid conspiracy stuff about Obama and we actually agree on a lot there. Government *is* far too cozy with the financial sector 1% as well as the 'military-industrial complex' that Ike cited. There *is* plenty of blame to go around for our country's descent into madness over the last few decades - though where the blame lies *today*, for what is going on *now* is quite another story: it's pretty much agreed upon by people across the spectrum, that the GOP has become far more intransigent and move far more to the right than the Democrats have moved anywhere at all. Unlike Democrats, the GOP has been weeding out its 'moderates' for years now. Just this past week we saw that even critically needed cybersecurity regulations (initially having bipartisan support) were watered down, ultimately made *optional*, and even then couldn't pass because of 'job killer' rhetoric from right (and 19 foolish and/or scared Democrats who sided with the GOP). Someone with Reagan's record could not win the nomination from such a party! Neither could Bush, nor Nixon, nor Eisenhower.

Face it, the GOP has gone off the deep end. The most charitable interpretation is that its traditional leaders (who aren't dumb) are playing a dangerous game, forever working to benefit the well-off (who, like the many millionaires in Congress, are already paying the lowest tax rates in decades, and benefiting from soaring profits that aren't 'trickling down' very far at all) at the expense of everyone else, while publicly pandering to the passions of its noisiest, most paranoid, most radical and ideological wing -- and the votes they've proven they bring. A telling thing here, as always, is that poll after poll show that most people , right and left, don't care if the rich in particular get taxed more than they are now, and many support the idea as part of a package including closing tax loopholes plus spending cuts. Yet the GOP talks like the electorate *loathes* the idea of taxing the rich more, when it's really mainly the 1% who loathe that. And too when you ask people about classes of regulation (e.g., work and product safety, environment, regulating the financial sector) and specific government largesse (e.g., Medicare), they're actually pretty positive about such government 'meddling'. Yet to hear the GOP talk, our government is the *enemy* of not just free enterprise, but freedom generally.
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It will be interesting how automatic spending cuts go in this dangerous game. As was stated years ago, "don't cut me, cut the guy behind the tree>". I think it is interesting to see how people debate. Some debate, ideas and ideologies and some make it personal. I am kind of saddened when I witness the current political climate. I guess appealing to the lowest common denominator works when I would really want to read/hear more about how we fix things than how someone is a socialist/communist/right wing extremist etc. ad nauseum. Worse I have ever seen and the most divided I have ever seen.
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^Haven't you heard, America is immune from history. rolleyes.gif Randy, political ideology and what drives someone's thought processes on governance are still important, especially in these tumultuous times. There's nothing "LCD" about being informed on such matters.
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I am not sure what you mean. I never said people should not be informed. That is one reason I support

http://factcheck.org/

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I am just referring to political ideological leanings, which can be gleamed from the past statements and associates of a politician (along with the people they appoint in their inner circle...hello, Van Jones). And who's funding and verifying the fact checkers? wink.gif Trust (and the weariness in being constantly spoonfed) is a serious problem, that's why mass US media is dying on the vine and outfits like Russia Today and Al-Jazeera are doing comparatively well.
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I am just referring to political ideological leanings, which can be gleamed from the past statements and associates of a politician (along with the people they appoint in their inner circle...hello, Van Jones). And who's funding and verifying the fact checkers? wink.gif Trust (and the weariness in being constantly spoonfed) is a serious problem, that's why mass US media is dying on the vine and outfits like Russia Today and Al-Jazeera are doing comparatively well.
the funding of the link I sent is right on the web site.
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There is a balance between achieving "cleaner air" and "safer cars" versus crushing regulation. And said crisis was in part made possible by govt. meddling in the free market (and a Wall Street/govt. relationship that has been far too cozy; the Glass-Steagal Act repeal was a disaster, so was creating the Federal Reserve and granting it the power it has today, not to mention secrecy). I'm not really following your first sentence ("is most people"). I'm with JimboG and also drive a Prius for the same reasons.

Don't really care about the race of the current occupier (you had to go there), just despise his politics (socialist/commie rhetoric), double-speak and blatant untruths/lies (on which he has built his entire house of cards). It's amazing how race can be so easily and repeatedly used as a scapegoat for failed leadership and outright lying. No govt. or financial institution individuals have been imprisoned since that aforementioned calamity, and down the railroad tracks we continue to go at a breakneck pace.

People's confidence and faith in the govt. are at all-time lows, and that's not just rhetoric.

What socialism do you know, and what do you see as Obama's policies to be socialist? Why are you catching someone else's phrases without really thinking. What do you really find wrong with western european socialist governments? Like the lie that was sold here in US that health system is not working there? That is why brits decided to have it featured in opening ceremony of Olympic games, because is so awful? What is wrong with right for everyone to have a decent free health insurance and education, without anyone making profit off it? Just a few critical questions on what is hard to have answers without manipulations from the right. But, my suggestion is, lets not go to the politics because it is quite impossible to have a quality honest conversation based on facts and not on lies propagated by the media.
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Why does every forum I visit recently devolves into people arguing about politics? Are we really that divided of a nation recently that political discussions invade forums about audio visual technology? Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about Obama vs. Romney, right vs. left, etc. etc. By the way, this press release as well as the original post is almost 3 years old.
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^You're right. Not sure why someone decided this thread should be revived from the dead. But the answer is yes, the country is divided on an unprecedented scale because liberty is threatened on an unprecedented scale....the choice is between a govt. that is limited in the scope of what it can do versus an all-encompassing centralized govt. that can implement anything it wants as long as it's sold as being for the "greater good." I ultimately fear the actual choices between the two frontrunners sadly only differ in degrees.
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What socialism do you know, and what do you see as Obama's policies to be socialist? Why are you catching someone else's phrases without really thinking. What do you really find wrong with western european socialist governments? Like the lie that was sold here in US that health system is not working there? That is why brits decided to have it featured in opening ceremony of Olympic games, because is so awful? What is wrong with right for everyone to have a decent free health insurance and education, without anyone making profit off it? Just a few critical questions on what is hard to have answers without manipulations from the right. But, my suggestion is, lets not go to the politics because it is quite impossible to have a quality honest conversation based on facts and not on lies propagated by the media.
What does national pride have to do with efficacy? McDonald's is the official sponsor of the Olympics, so anything else that follows might as well be a sham. All I need to do is look at the fiscal insolvency of Europe as a whole to realize that it's not a path for the US to follow. If you want to remove profit ability (and kill innovation in the process), you better demand that the universities dole out free tuition as well. That's where such thinking leads. You do realize healthcare professionals have loans to pay off, or do you propose forgiving all debts (I *might* be okay with that if it meant the dissolution of the FED wink.gif)? One can also not opt out if they have moral or religious objections to abortion funding. On the face of it, it's 2000 pages of new regulations and taxes that are having the opposite effect of affordability. The UK is single payer unlike this monstrosity. While I don't like single payer (it provides two quick fix solutions, one for the plebes and the other for the super rich, where the former have to wait upwards of 6 months for specialist appointments) . Finally, I love it, manipulations "from the right," which the left apparently never engages. tongue.gif One can only get the truth from govt. approved sources apparently.
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Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know I was the only one (out of about 10 people) not allowed to respond to old threads that had been bumped. There goes that double standard again. wink.gif The question should be redirected to Ben14 who fired a shot across the bow to get this debate/argument/discussion started.
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My reply was to Ben's post. I'm sorry I didn't quote him as that's the only easy way with this forum to see that.
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^You're right. Not sure why someone decided this thread should be revived from the dead. But the answer is yes, the country is divided on an unprecedented scale because liberty is threatened on an unprecedented scale....the choice is between a govt. that is limited in the scope of what it can do versus an all-encompassing centralized govt. that can implement anything it wants as long as it's sold as being for the "greater good." I ultimately fear the actual choices between the two frontrunners sadly only differ in degrees.
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What socialism do you know, and what do you see as Obama's policies to be socialist? Why are you catching someone else's phrases without really thinking. What do you really find wrong with western european socialist governments? Like the lie that was sold here in US that health system is not working there? That is why brits decided to have it featured in opening ceremony of Olympic games, because is so awful? What is wrong with right for everyone to have a decent free health insurance and education, without anyone making profit off it? Just a few critical questions on what is hard to have answers without manipulations from the right. But, my suggestion is, lets not go to the politics because it is quite impossible to have a quality honest conversation based on facts and not on lies propagated by the media.
What does national pride have to do with efficacy? McDonald's is the official sponsor of the Olympics, so anything else that follows might as well be a sham. All I need to do is look at the fiscal insolvency of Europe as a whole to realize that it's not a path for the US to follow. If you want to remove profit ability (and kill innovation in the process), you better demand that the universities dole out free tuition as well. That's where such thinking leads. You do realize healthcare professionals have loans to pay off, or do you propose forgiving all debts (I *might* be okay with that if it meant the dissolution of the FED wink.gif)? One can also not opt out if they have moral or religious objections to abortion funding. On the face of it, it's 2000 pages of new regulations and taxes that are having the opposite effect of affordability. The UK is single payer unlike this monstrosity. While I don't like single payer (it provides two quick fix solutions, one for the plebes and the other for the super rich, where the former have to wait upwards of 6 months for specialist appointments) . Finally, I love it, manipulations "from the right," which the left apparently never engages. tongue.gif One can only get the truth from govt. approved sources apparently.

I offer friendly pull from discussion, as if we continue we might get moderators involved. I am sure, if we are having a beer together, we will have a great talk about equipment and sound, and I am sure we will have a lots of friendly disagreements over the politics. Yes we have quite different views on many points, but I am sure we will have as many that are close or same. I will say again, if media would stop enraging people in order to get better rating, we all would have much more civilized conversation.
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^Haven't you heard, America is immune from history. rolleyes.gif Randy, political ideology and what drives someone's thought processes on governance are still important, especially in these tumultuous times. There's nothing "LCD" about being informed on such matters.

Wow, so, straw man arguments can be inscribed in stone, good to know. (Though who/what is this 'Law Day' anyway? Is it a Baptist thing? )

Of course, no one in power here is proposing or plotting for a 'wholly centralized government'. Certainly not Obama or the Democrats, most of whose Senators are wealthy capitalists themselves.

It's the paranoid right that keeps proposing this bogeyman as plausible and imminent in the USA, just like they did in the 1960s when they were called John Birchers and fought Medicaire. The US is in no danger of
turning into Stalin's Russia or Mao's China, and never has been, not even in the aftermath of the *first* time rampant capitalism screwed this country into a Depression.

So you guys can stop shaking in your boots.
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