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right, but who knows what the next couple years hold as far as compression/streaming technology.

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It may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot simpler to do this than to establish a new disc format
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It may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot simpler to do this than to establish a new disc format

If BD data disks are used to supply the same data as the download, all bases will be covered, simply load the disk(2 or more current 2 layer BD) data into the hard drive and play from there.....this will be needed to suppliment the download model where ISP data caps are present.

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It may not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot simpler to do this than to establish a new disc format

I disagree, establishing a new disc format is much easier & less costlier, less time consuming than rebuilding broadband infrastructure for millions of miles. Not to mention the politics surrounding broadband in the U.S.
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I disagree, establishing a new disc format is much easier & less costlier, less time consuming than rebuilding broadband infrastructure for millions of miles. Not to mention the politics surrounding broadband in the U.S.

Don't forget, the PS4 is quite literally designed around downloads and streaming. 4K delivery is only a small piece of that puzzle. To fully enjoy a PS4, you will need broadband internet. The same will be true for the new Xbox so it's not like this is some mistake Sony is making.

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If BD data disks are used to supply the same data as the download, all bases will be covered, simply load the disk(2 or more current 2 layer BD) data into the hard drive and play from there.....this will be needed to suppliment the download model where ISP data caps are present.

Since that's how Sony is delivering 4K content to buyers of their newest TV sets, it would make sense if the same discs were also available to PS4 owners. I'm interested to see how that plays out.

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Since that's how Sony is delivering 4K content to buyers of their newest TV sets, it would make sense if the same discs were also available to PS4 owners. I'm interested to see how that plays out.

The current server on loan to the 4K TV owners, is more than likely pre loaded from a master server, but the new server which will be available for sale in the US summer to all ,not just the Sony 4K owners, will/can be loaded via download as well as via BD data disks it seems.

I agree, the BD data disk solution most likely will apply to the PS4 as well. 'Not' will be unthinkabel!

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I believe this what is going to happen as well. Until a standardized 4k disc solution comes along (probably using quad layer blu-rays), downloads or data discs might be the way to go for now. I believe that there will be a disc solution announced. At least Sony is coming forward in supporting the format with native content.

What has me wondering is the following. The PS3 by virtue of its hardware configuration, allowed Sony to expand the capabilities of the console beyond what we expected possible including 3D support, full bd-live and dts hd ma decoding when many thought they were gonna get lucked out. All while maintaining itself ad one of the fastest bd players. Now Sony announced the PS4 will play 4k video and I ask if Sony will be able to also expand its hdmi output to support future iterations of the hdmi standard. The current 1.4 standard only supports 4k at 24fps. No 4k 3d, no higher frame rates. This is why its going to be sometime before we will see a 4k disc standard, the hdmi standard its not there yet to provide support for all this new technologies. If you look at the soon to be released RED server player that supports the DCI standard of 4k up to 4096 horizontal instead of just 3840 at up to 60hz and 3D, you will see that it has five hdmi outputs: 4 for video (4 1080p streams) and one for audio. Its also why I believe that when a standard comes to light that will be one to rule for the following years, all early adopters will need to buy a new TV, unless they can all be configured to use 4 hdmi inputs for one 4k video signal. Just my thoughts

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Imagine the film industry or Sony lobbying for better internet in the US! We would be able to finally catch up with the world lol

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Will the PS4 even use HDD's?

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/03/02/2125259/seagate-to-stop-making-7200rpm-laptop-hdds

My guess is they'll use hybrid HDD+SSD or just SSD
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Imagine the film industry or Sony lobbying for better internet in the US! We would be able to finally catch up with the world lol

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Well guys. I hate anyone of you that has a fast net speed for this. wink.gif

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Well guys. I hate anyone of you that has a fast net speed for this. wink.gif

You won't be hating very many people. Affordable yet extremely fast internet with no data caps is a rare beast indeed in these here United States.

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my first ps3 died on me couple of months ago. i had purchased several movies from the PS store. now with my new ps3 i have to repurchase all of them because movies, unlike games are a 1 time download only. and 1 of the movies i bought earlier no longer shows up on the PS store. no thanks SONY ill stick with the disc until you clean up your own mess.
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No they won't ever have the same picture quality. A frame by frame compression will always look clearer especially in fast moving scene compared to GoP compression.

That's not true. The problem with showing 4K mpeg files is a hardware rendering issue, not a format issue. There is no reason an mpeg file can't reproduce the frames exactly the same as jpeg.

Like I posted earlier, the advantage to using an individual jpeg for each frame is it eliminates the step of building the jpeg image for the frame. it's pre built, so there's no need for that step. It saves processing time.

I think the reason you may personally see an improvement is the mpeg has compressed the bits to the point of information loss or simplified the palette and lost some colors. Both are tricks commonly employed to minimize the size of various graphic files.
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Just streaming music from Sirius or IR, is sucking half my bandwidth up now, and my service is some of the fastest available. So downloading off Sony's site will take hours? Not interested. I'll wait till they shrink the file size down and 4K is around for awhile.
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my first ps3 died on me couple of months ago. i had purchased several movies from the PS store. now with my new ps3 i have to repurchase all of them because movies, unlike games are a 1 time download only. and 1 of the movies i bought earlier no longer shows up on the PS store. no thanks SONY ill stick with the disc until you clean up your own mess.

That's what I fear. Download only models are a screw job waiting to happen... and not the good kind.
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Not every download model for media is like that, at least iTunes changed to were I can download my movies/films to other computers (synced) now.
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The real reason you use JPEG2000 is because wavelet compression is scalable, so the 4K video files will be able to render directly to 1080p and likely provide better-than-Blu-ray image quality in the process.

Part of the mpeg rendering process is the production of a jpeg image that is exactly the same as the ones used in JPEG2000, so it doesn't make sense that any one of the formats would be more or less scalable than the other. If there's an issue with there being enough time (processing issue) to scale the images when stored as an mpeg file, that may be true, but there's nothing inherent with the mpeg format that makes is not as scalable as JPEG2000.
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http://m.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/57566079?ds=1


Good read for those on the fence over 4K. And before I sink a bunch of money into all new gear to try and see better resolution that may be there, but I probably won't be able to see.
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http://m.cnet.com/news/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/57566079?ds=1


Good read for those on the fence over 4K. And before I sink a bunch of money into all new gear to try and see better
resolution that may be there, but I probably won't be able to see.

I don't understand these article's, you are able to tell the difference between a 4K display playing 4K content (not up converted 1080p) from 1080p displays
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I don't understand these article's, you are able to tell the difference between a 4K display playing 4K content (not up converted 1080p) from 1080p displays



I think it that case you would be able to tell. 1080 isn't the 4K's native resolution so to speak. I'm not saying this and other articles are the gospel but the fact is our eyes can't see past a certain point. Some people can't see the difference between 720 and 1080. IMO, I can see the difference or can I? One has to wonder with the marketing failure of 3D tv, how much of this is just to make their money back. Yeah the bigger screen is great but can you see the resolution difference? I'm not convinced.
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I think it that case you would be able to tell. 1080 isn't the 4K's native resolution so to speak. I'm not saying this and other articles are the gospel but the fact is our eyes can't see past a certain point. Some people can't see the difference between 720 and 1080. IMO, I can see the difference or can I? One has to wonder with the marketing failure of 3D tv, how much of this is just to make their money back. Yeah the bigger screen is great but can you see the resolution difference? I'm not convinced.

It will depend on the quality of the 4K content
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It will depend on the quality of the 4K content



Agreed, but if people think that resolution games are not being played by these big companies, they are fooling themselves.
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Katzmaier reviewed the 4K 84X900.
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Well if it gets to the point where I can't live without it, my pre/pro is 4K ready. Damn only 25 K? Give me three of them. Funny cnets comments didn't get censored like the hopper fiasco did.
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Movies will be sold via protected flash type drives. That's my guess .
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Movies will be sold via protected flash type drives. That's my guess .

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