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Sony has now attached prices to its 55" and 65" Ultra High Definition TV sets as well as its stand-alone 4K media server.



First up is the $699 FMP-X1, a 4K server that comes pre-loaded with 10 4K films and will support Sony's 4K movie-download service, scheduled for an autumn launch.
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Sony also announced pricing for two relatively affordable 4K UHDTV sets that were first seen at CES 2013: $4999 for the 55" XBR-55X900A and $6999 for the 65" XBR-65X900A. Both sets will be available to order on April 21, 2013. The new TVs include passive 3D, edge-lit LED illumination, and 4K upscaling. The new UDHTVs do not come bundled with the FMP-X1. Sony's press release did mention that downloadable content will be available this Fall—originally the plan was for a Summer launch.
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Very cool. Pricing really isn't too bad -- definitely below what I'd originally expected. It's too bad they're not full array but Sony does a good job with edge-lit stuff.

Is the FMP-X1 the same server that comes bundled with the 84"?

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Very cool. Pricing really isn't too bad -- definitely below what I'd originally expected. It's too bad they're not full array but Sony does a good job with edge-lit stuff.

Is the FMP-X1 the same server that comes bundled with the 84"?


The server that is currently bundled with the 84" is a full-blown computer, complete with a rectangular case. Perhaps Sony will start shipping that set with the new server at some point, but I don't know.


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The server that is currently bundled with the 84" is a full-blown computer, complete with a rectangular case. Perhaps Sony will start shipping that set with the new server at some point, but I don't know.

That's what I thought. The 84" I've seen was connected to a mid-sized tower computer.

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Very cool. Pricing really isn't too bad -- definitely below what I'd originally expected. It's too bad they're not full array but Sony does a good job with edge-lit stuff.

Is the FMP-X1 the same server that comes bundled with the 84"?

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The server that is currently bundled with the 84" is a full-blown computer, complete with a rectangular case. Perhaps Sony will start shipping that set with the new server at some point, but I don't know.


The FMP-X1 does not come with the 84" set now. Per the press release, Sony says: "Owners of the first generation video server will be able to exchange that device for the FMP-X1 4K Media Player, once the distribution service launches in the fall."

Sony Links for the 55 & 65 4K sets: http://store.sony.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&identifier=S_4KTV
Sony Press release on sets and media server: http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/07/sony-announces-fmp-x1-4k-media-player-and-distribution-service/#continued
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I saw the 65" models at CES and thought they looked excellent. These prices seem reasonable for 1st gen 4K.

The only thing I hate is the built in speakers. Not that I would even use them, but I just don't thunk they look good stuck onto the sides like that.
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That's great news on the prices of these sets. Hopefully that will help push OLED 4k prices down, once they are available.
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But the catch is that none of these TVs can accept 4K @ 50p or 60p. HDMI v1.4 maxs out at 30p for 4K. Not until v2.0 of HDMI will it be capable of 4K 50p and 60p. They don't tell you that. So good luck trying to watch sport or other material which requires 50 or 60p in future. You'll be stuck with juddery 30p max or will have to resort to 1080/60p for fluid motion, and let the TV upscsle to 4K. The media server is probably OK as most of its material is 24p 4K.
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But the catch is that none of these TVs can accept 4K @ 50p or 60p. HDMI v1.4 maxs out at 30p for 4K. Not until v2.0 of HDMI will it be capable of 4K 50p and 60p. They don't tell you that. So good luck trying to watch sport or other material which requires 50 or 60p in future. You'll be stuck with juddery 30p max or will have to resort to 1080/60p for fluid motion, and let the TV upscsle to 4K. The media server is probably OK as most of its material is 24p 4K.


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But the catch is that none of these TVs can accept 4K @ 50p or 60p. HDMI v1.4 maxs out at 30p for 4K. Not until v2.0 of HDMI will it be capable of 4K 50p and 60p. They don't tell you that. So good luck trying to watch sport or other material which requires 50 or 60p in future. You'll be stuck with juddery 30p max or will have to resort to 1080/60p for fluid motion, and let the TV upscsle to 4K. The media server is probably OK as most of its material is 24p 4K.

Any news on when 4k 60p capable HDMI is coming out?
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Between Samsung, Panasonic and Sony, I think Sony seems to be ahead on both technology and pricing. (disclaimer, I don't have any Sony product).. Keep it up, and one day, i might get a Sony set!
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Will the 4K Media Player work on the LG 84" 4K TV or other 4K displays? I would think so but would like to know...
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From the marketing photos it looks like the 55/65" X900A might still be using gorilla glass. Can anyone confirm or deny this? From what I've gathered they're not using any gorilla glass in the lower-end 2013 lineup. All I can find on the smaller X900 spec page is "Sense of QUARTZ : Yes." Can anyone who's seen one in person share some insight? Not that I'll be buying one, but the monolith design has probably been my favorite TV design of all time and i'd be sad to see it disappear completely.

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Thats actually a little cheaper than I expected but still not chump change. Looking forward to the review on these sets too. One of the biggest things I like about 4K sets with Passive 3D is there ability to finally do 1080p per eye passive 3D. My biggest gripe about Passive 3D in flat panels is the loss of resolution but with sets like these thats a thing of the past.

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But the catch is that none of these TVs can accept 4K @ 50p or 60p. HDMI v1.4 maxs out at 30p for 4K. Not until v2.0 of HDMI will it be capable of 4K 50p and 60p. They don't tell you that. So good luck trying to watch sport or other material which requires 50 or 60p in future. You'll be stuck with juddery 30p max or will have to resort to 1080/60p for fluid motion, and let the TV upscsle to 4K. The media server is probably OK as most of its material is 24p 4K.

I cannot wait until these TVs are obsoleted by HDMI 2.0 models. I'll gladly grab one on clearance; since sports is currently only broadcast as a 1080/60i, I figure it will be a while before the lack of 2160/60p support becomes an issue. PS4 games are limited to 1080/60p so from a gaming perspective these new TVs are already good enough for my neeeds.
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Thats actually a little cheaper than I expected but still not chump change. Looking forward to the review on these sets too. One of the biggest things I like about 4K sets with Passive 3D is there ability to finally do 1080p per eye passive 3D. My biggest gripe about Passive 3D in flat panels is the loss of resolution but with sets like these thats a thing of the past.

In real-world terms, Best Buy is selling Sony's new top-of-the-line 65" 1080p set—the XBR-65HX950—for $5499, and that's for a set that does not feature the same level of premium sound. So, 4K is a $1500 upgrade based on MSRP, the actual difference could easily be less.

Passive 3D on an LED TV is already the best presentation of the medium I have seen. Full HD passive 3D at normal 2D brightness levels is an ideal that these new UHDTV sets might finally achieve. That's a huge selling point for me, more so than any gains in resolution for 2D movie playback.

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As I understand it, the HDMI 2.0 spec is due this month. Next step is to see what transport mechanism is adopted for 4K ... HDMI or something else.

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$7k for a 65" first-gen UHDTV isn't too shabby at all, IMO--Westinghouse's 65" UHDTV is supposed to be markedly cheaper, but without any real bells or whistles (one biggie possbly being 4K upscaling, though I'm fuzzy on whether that's correct right this second). I'm still concerned more about the content side of the fence, however; $700 for a media server, however much per month for a download service tied to it, and I get to watch Bad Teacher in 4K? Riiiight...

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, and I get to watch Bad Teacher in 4K? Riiiight...

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As a PC and console gamer who loves 3d, I want 4k bad, but only if it does 60p. (at 120hz).

Until then, blah. I rarely even watch Blurays any more, it's just so much more convenient to watch 720p shows.

I'd love to see what kind of headroom HDMI 2.0 can give, and whether that might include > 60hz even. Let's bring in 72hz or even 96hz for 2:2 or 3:3. With the latest frame blending (not frame interpolation) code, there is little reason to not use the maximum refresh rate you can get.

3D is one area where higher FPS just works so much better. I've never seen better 3D than The Hobbit HFR, probably because of the extra refresh rate. Jackson is a true pioneer IMO.
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Will the 4K Media Player work on the LG 84" 4K TV or other 4K displays? I would think so but would like to know...

No. More info at hdguru
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But the catch is that none of these TVs can accept 4K @ 50p or 60p. HDMI v1.4 maxs out at 30p for 4K. Not until v2.0 of HDMI will it be capable of 4K 50p and 60p. They don't tell you that. So good luck trying to watch sport or other material which requires 50 or 60p in future. You'll be stuck with juddery 30p max or will have to resort to 1080/60p for fluid motion, and let the TV upscsle to 4K. The media server is probably OK as most of its material is 24p 4K.

Exactly, buying these 1st gen UHDTV is like buying those 1080p set that can't accept 1080p input a few years back.
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Unless you're one of the people who actually enjoy judder...or think resolution > frame rate
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The design of the FMP-X1 4K server is cool, but maybe they should have gone the extra mile and had Chip Foose design the wheel, instead of using the aluminum platter? smile.gif

Seriously, I think they were going for the "film reel" look, but maybe they could have etched the film reel "spokes", etc. into the top?

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No. More info at hdguru

That's pretty typical Sony, I guess, to restrict the FMP-X1 media server to their own sets only. You'd think they'd want to go for higher possible adoption for their 4K download service, but noooooo...

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That's pretty typical Sony, I guess, to restrict the FMP-X1 media server to their own sets only. You'd think they'd want to go for higher possible adoption for their 4K download service, but noooooo...

Since the PlayStation 4 will also support the 4K movie service, it's not that big a deal. The PS4 will likely cost less as well.

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But the catch is that none of these TVs can accept 4K @ 50p or 60p. HDMI v1.4 maxs out at 30p for 4K. Not until v2.0 of HDMI will it be capable of 4K 50p and 60p. They don't tell you that. So good luck trying to watch sport or other material which requires 50 or 60p in future. You'll be stuck with juddery 30p max or will have to resort to 1080/60p for fluid motion, and let the TV upscsle to 4K. The media server is probably OK as most of its material is 24p 4K.
The question is will there be 4k media content for the public at 50 or 60 hz? I seen at Magnolia stores the 84" Sony 4K UDTV which looks terrific, so what is 4K at 50HZ or 60 hz going to buy you? You mention some frame judder but looking at the display and demo I didn't see that. I don't think IMHO that 3D is desirable at 4K because 4K is suppose to have more pronounced natural depth to make that less of a concern.

I see this HDMI 2.0 talk, but considering it hasn't been formalized, let alone hardware implemented along with broadcasts or content available for it, why would this be a actual negative of moving forward on 4K UDTV's? How long will it take the industry to implement it once it becomes available?

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I saw the 65" models at CES and thought they looked excellent. These prices seem reasonable for 1st gen 4K.

The only thing I hate is the built in speakers. Not that I would even use them, but I just don't thunk they look good stuck onto the sides like that.

agree. I don't understand why sony decide to put the speakers on side while every major manufacture try to make the slim bezel TV nowadays. Besides, how is it possible that a person who is willing to spend $5000 for a tv but has no decent receiver/speakers setup already? I think it is funny when some of the reviews talked about how good those speakers sound, like people is really going to use them other than their surround setup.
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I work for a big box retailer. On Sunday 4/7/13, a Sony rep came in with the 55 inch model to conduct salespeople training. I set up the tv for the session. The Sony rep told me it was 1 of only 4 of the 55 inch models in the United States at the moment. He didn't even have a server to use to demo 4K for the sales people. He had to use a Sony Blu-ray player and have the tv upscale the image to 4K. I thought the image was great but the built in speakers really, really suck. They look awful. Too bad they can't be detached. But things will progress and in 2015 we'll have significantly different looking 4k TV's than exist now.
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At least the price is better than some of the other prices that were talked about. They'll come down a lot more in a couple years.
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