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This week, Pioneer Electronics announced two new Elite home theater AV receivers, the VSX-43 and VSX-70. Both models are designed for expanded entertainment and control throughout the home, and they have been updated to accommodate future trends, particularly 4K material. Even better, they invite consumers to join the Elite group of AV enthusiasts at a cost-effective price. Here's what they have to offer.

The first model is the VSX-43, a 7.1 system with seven discrete amplifiers with a total of 560 watts of power (80Wx7, 20Hz–20kHz, THD 0.08% @ 8 ohms FTC). This AVR can also be set up as a 5.1 system in the main zone while powering a second zone using the two spare channels. In terms of connectivity, the VSX-43 offers six HDMI inputs, Mobile High-Definition Link (MHL), one component video input, and one never-dying composite input. The unit provides 4K pass-through without the ability to upscale to 4K.




The VSX-43 can be controlled wirelessly using Pioneer's ControlApp on any smart device. The app provides users with control over the receiver's features and functions, such as mode and audio setting management, inputs, and streaming content. The ControlApp also has an interesting feature called Push Player, Pioneer's new music-sharing function that enables users to stream the music libraries stored on their devices wirelessly to the receiver, all from one app.

The VSX-70 is the bigger model of the two, a 7.2 AVR with seven discrete amplifiers producing 90 watts of power per channel (20Hz-20kHz, THD 0.08% @ 8 ohms FTC.) Additionally, this model comes with a second subwoofer output for a more balanced in-room bass response. With plenty of HDMI inputs to go around (eight to be exact) and one MHL, chances are you won't run out of room for any future sources. The VSX-70 allows 4K pass-through and upscales analog and HDMI video signals to 4K resolutions—which requires a 4K display, of course.




If you want to share your sources in other locations in your home, the VSX-70 can simultaneously send independently selected sources to three zones—5.1 in the main zone, audio to two speakers in a second zone, and HDMI to a third zone. Of course, if that third zone is far from the AVR, you'll need to use an HDMI booster or balun system to run a cable over a long distance.




In addition to Pioneer's iControlAV2013 app, the VSX-70 offers RS-232-over-IP control for integration into larger custom-control systems such as Crestron and Control4. The VSX-70 also comes with Pioneer's AVNavigator, a two-way interactive owner's manual that walks you through the entire set-up process of the new Elite AVR. This comes on the bundled CD-Rom now available for Windows and Mac and for the iPad on the App store.




Streaming content is extremely popular now, and both AVRs can handle quite a roster of formats, including WAV, MP3, WMA, ACC and FLAC. Files can be accessed from the network or via the front USB port. New for 2013, Pioneer has included the lossless AIFF high-resolution format as well as Apple Lossless. Streaming services like Pandora and vTuner are also available on both units.

Every manufacturer in the CE industry is trying to find new ways to become as energy efficient as possible. One of the biggest energy consumers in most AV systems is the AVR. Pioneer has a solution for that—the new 2013 Elite models feature power-saving Eco Management functions. Not only does this reduce power consumption in both on and stand-by modes, it also analyzes and controls peak volume corresponding to the content being played. Pioneer claims this feature maintains audio quality, but you can disable it if you prefer.




Both the Pioneer VSX-43 and VSX-70 can be found at your local Pioneer Elite retailer and are priced at $525 and $750, respectively.

Do the new features and value pricing entice you to purchase one of these Elite products?

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Am I correct not seeing a Center Channel Pre-Out on the VSX-70?

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Am I correct not seeing a Center Channel Pre-Out on the VSX-70?[/quoteI
I don't see a pre out either. ??
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Am I correct not seeing a Center Channel Pre-Out on the VSX-70?

You are correct. IMO every receiver over $500 should have pre-outs for all 7 channels.

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Pioneer has good receivers for the money. Too bad they haven't upgraded mcacc to do subwoofer calibration. If they did this, they could strongly compete with Onkyo and Denon.
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Does this mean that the new Elite AVRs can playback FLAC and other lossless files from the front USB port via a thumbdrive?

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I have the VSX-42. How much better is the VSX-43 over my model ? Just curious...
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I have the VSX-42. How much better is the VSX-43 over my model ? Just curious...

Depends if you have 4k image source and display. My guess this is a feature not a quality update.
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This will upcovert to 4K2K but likely at 30Hz. Of what use is this for a 60Hz input signal? I think it is too soon to be buying into any 4K over HDMI until the new spec is at least out.
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Harmon just announced theirs. Waiting for Denon and Marantz announcement. I guess it is time finally to upgrade my 3808ci my faithful steed;) I loved that receiver dearly!
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looking at purchasing the vsx 70 model because of the amount of hdmi inputs and 3d and 4k support. I have an old vsx01txh model powering def tech speakers and I was wondering if it is worth the change over. I will be going down to 110 watts from 90 watts per channel but love the features the new one supports.
Will I notice a difference going down in wattage?
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1 amount of hdmi inputs 3 vs 8 ( wii u, blu ray, cable box, hdddvd, PS4 in future, WDTV, computer and apple tv.
3d support, my old doesn't support 3d so if I upgraded my Panasonic g20 to gt50 i couldn't use 3d with current reciever
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only con i see is 110 down to 90
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Harmon just announced theirs. Waiting for Denon and Marantz announcement. I guess it is time finally to upgrade my 3808ci my faithful steed;) I loved that receiver dearly!

I Just updated my 4308CI late Dec-2012 to the 4520CI, got 5 solid years of use, so like you I as very happy with my 5 year old Denon.
It's now doing duty in my family room....

If your 3808ci still works and meets your needs, why upgrade?
My reason was driven by need, my 12 year old Onkyo 787 subwoofer out died in the family room, so I needed to replace that....and decided a basement HT upgrade would suffice, and the HT unit then would carry the family room duties.

If the Onkyo 787 sub out still worked, well I'd not be typing this right now....12 years is decent life for electronic AVR.

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I have the VSX-43 and want the HDMI out to include audio to the TV. I was able to do this with my Denon AVR-591.
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I'm considering upgrading from my Denon AVR 1712 to the VSX-43 receiver. Good idea? Are the newer features worth the $? How about sound quality?
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wow very little info from owners of either of these two receivers! interested in finding out more about the SACD & DSD support. all i can find in the online manual is DSD only 2 channel... as well as flac. very curious on owners experiences on this and sound quality? any out there? ?
seems i may just have to stick with my original choice of harman kardon 2700 even though DSD is not supported.
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The VSX-70 is on my radar, too. Would be interested in early owner assessments.
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I purchased the VSX-43 and it really is very nice.  The analog inputs are the only thing I am having a little trouble getting to work.  But otherwise this is a very nice unit and fairly easy to set up!  :o

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Pioneer has good receivers for the money. Too bad they haven't upgraded mcacc to do subwoofer calibration. If they did this, they could strongly compete with Onkyo and Denon.

I agree, they are a good value, and generally offer a lot for the price(not necessarily the best, but a lot). where they fall flat though, is I don't feel like there's anything really being upgraded?? I have 1018 I bought a few years ago, and aside from a couple extra hdmi inputs(and a lot less of everything else) I don't see much change. personally, i'd like to see at least a 2nd hdmi output(which I think the 70 finally has) and more than 7.2 channels. based on price alone, no complaints, but I tend to think of the 'elite' models as the top end, and a top end receiver with 'only' 7.2 capability feels like a 3-4yr old model.

i'd really like to see pioneer come out with an 11.2 capable receiver, with like 7 or 8 HDMI in, and at least 2 hdmi out(I've noticed onkyo's up to 3 now...). i'm one of those guys who actually quite happy with the performance of MCACC and I don't see a need to spend a ton of money on higher end internals. but there's just no way I can make 7 channels into 9, or 11, no matter how good the electronics are. I feel like this is an area that's missing in the market. there really isn't a value oriented fully featured avr that I can find. I think pioneers the company to do it, as they aren't so much know for using the best internals or having the best sound, but they do often provide more features for the money than anybody else. that was certainly the case when I bought my 1018, and the closest equivalent onkyo was 200bux more, and the denon was almost 250 more. i'm sure they both would have sounded 'better', but the pioneer had the same number of inputs(more analog in fact), same number of channels, had auto-eq, upconversion etc. and it all worked 'good enough' for my needs. next step will be to add channels and inputs. if I can get rid of my hdmi splitter, even better.

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^Pioneer makes high-end AVRs, too...the Elite AVR series (I have an SC-05) included the fairly impressive ICE amplifier. Not sure on the particulars of what they're using now.
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^Pioneer makes high-end AVRs, too...the Elite AVR series (I have an SC-05) included the fairly impressive ICE amplifier. Not sure on the particulars of what they're using now.

that's kind of my point. i want an avr with the features of the high end models, but the build of the non-elite lines.

when i bought my 1018 it offered pretty much everything that was offered in the elite models(except the top of the top) but at a much better price due to 'simpler' electronics.

i don't need ICE amps, i just want 11.2 channels of the 'normal' stuff.

but yeah, i guess i was more surprised that these models are 'elite' models, because they don't seem like they are pioneers high end line, at all.

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11.2 just sounds crazy to me. I haven't even begun to use the 7.2 of my ancient SC-05 at this point. tongue.gif
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11.2 just sounds crazy to me. I haven't even begun to use the 7.2 of my ancient SC-05 at this point. tongue.gif

I'm still running 5.1 too, with the extra two channels powering two speakers in the second zone.

with 11.2, that's basically my intent. I can run a full 7.2, or even 9.2 and still be able to send audio to zone 2. it helps for that whole 'home theatre' trend, where you can have audio playing in the 'lobby' or bathroom, or whatever makes sense with your layout. I just find it makes the idea of multizone control actually practical if the avr is also powering it.

that and I don't like updating things very often, so I figure 11.2 should last me a while. none of this will happen until I built a new room anyway. I want to go all in-wall and hide all the speakers, and I'm not expecting big things from all in-wall speakers, so that's also why I'm more interested in quantity over quality this time.

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What I have connected to it is Sony Blu-ray Disc/DVD Player BDP-S5100/BX510 +LG42 LBSD (1080P LCD HDTV) + Comcast HDDVR - All are connected with HDMI cables to the Elite.

The problem I have is when changing the input selection - There is a long Connecting delay (handshake) I'm using Blu Rino HDMI Cables is there a setting I'm missing or is the norm?
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What I have connected to it is Sony Blu-ray Disc/DVD Player BDP-S5100/BX510 +LG42 LBSD (1080P LCD HDTV) + Comcast HDDVR - All are connected with HDMI cables to the Elite.

The problem I have is when changing the input selection - There is a long Connecting delay (handshake) I'm using Blu Rino HDMI Cables is there a setting I'm missing or is the norm?

I would say anytime you have issues with HDMI, that is the norm rolleyes.gif

seriously, I hate hdmi because of this. I used to be able to split analog cables 10x if I really wanted to, connect and power up anything in any order and it just worked. hdmi is the biggest pain in the butt just to connect.

so ya, if the only issue is long connection periods, then you're one of the lucky ones who has gear that plays well together.

I wish that was my only issue, I have dropped connections during use, sometimes it doesn't connect at all, and I have to power cycle everything to reconnect, occasionally i'll get audio with intermittent video...

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